Mexico - Kaleo Skye, 3 & Roxy Rain 10 mos, killed by dad, Rosarito, 10 Aug 2021 *arrest in CA*

[Seattle1]

Thanks @Seattle1 - for all that info! Will update my notes - and see you around 8/26 - or maybe later, as I am flying to Sweden on the 27th! Vacation time!

Good on you @Niner -- have fun with your sister! I too will not be available but not for fun -- I have a surgery scheduled.

I expect the Court will rule to give MC 90 days to respond based on the earlier Order for BPO's plan (See post #583). This will push the matter out to November before any hearing possible.

Also, there will probably be another joint motion filed about excluding periods of delay pursuant to 18 USC§4241(d) and Excluding Time to 18 USC §3161(h)(l)(A) as to Matthew Taylor Coleman relating to the Speedy Trial Act. In other words, doubtful you will miss anything while you are on vacation.

 

[Curious Me]

Various articles that have been posted.
This is the formal legal complaint.
USA-v-Coleman-COMPLAINT.pdf (b-cdn.net)

Santa Barbara Father Arrested After Children, 1 and 3, Found Dead in Mexico – NBC 7 San Diego (nbcsandiego.com) Santa Barbara Father Arrested After Children, 1 and 3, Found Dead in Rosarito, Mexico

Matthew Taylor Coleman: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Matthew Taylor Coleman: Man 'Enlightened' by QAnon to Kill His Kids, Feds Say

QAnon-obsessed California dad, 40, fatally shot two children with a spearfishing gun | Daily Mail OnlineQAnon-obsessed dad fatally shot two children with spearfishing gun

Matthew Coleman 'Believed Some Weird Stuff' Before Allegedly Killing Kids | PEOPLE.com

How Far Down the QAnon Rabbit Hole Did Your Loved One Fall? | Psychology Today

This is MOO. I've said some of this before, but I still think it's true. I don't want it to be forgotten that he fed his mind on conspiracy theories to the point of insanity. The two precious children ended up dying a horrible death because he gobbled up those theories thinking he was getting extra special revelations.

Some of his friends voiced their concerns that he increasingly sought out what he began to believe were the real truths. Don't overlook the fact that this has happened to others. People have lost their loved ones to cults and far fetched conspiracy theories.

Many times we might determine whether a person "heard voices telling them to do something", and we call that "mental illness". What if the "voices" he heard were those from the conspiracy theorists, groups like QAnon or the Illuminati, some call them cults, and he sought those voices out, more and more often? Perhaps to the point of madness?

He did confess, and he did say he knew what he was doing was wrong, but he had to "save the world". Fancied himself obtaining special info, fancied himself a world hero. Is he going to suggest he was brainwashed? He knew what he was doing and that it was wrong. He was following through on his beliefs that someday his children would be monsters. MOO, his beliefs were certainly what was wrong, and he let them override all else. I don't doubt he ended up insane, but I can't overlook that he took himself there. All MOO​

 

[Niner]

Good on you @Niner -- have fun with your sister! I too will not be available but not for fun -- I have a surgery scheduled.

I expect the Court will rule to give MC 90 days to respond based on the earlier Order for BPO's plan (See post #583). This will push the matter out to November before any hearing possible.

Also, there will probably be another joint motion filed about excluding periods of delay pursuant to 18 USC§4241(d) and Excluding Time to 18 USC §3161(h)(l)(A) as to Matthew Taylor Coleman relating to the Speedy Trial Act. In other words, doubtful you will miss anything while you are on vacation.

Good luck on your surgery - hopefully nothing serious!!

Yes - I believe it will be quite a while until this case gets going...

And again!! Thanks for all the info!

 

[Seattle1]

I don't know if the rules would be the same with Federal cases but I just learned in the Boulder, Colorado King Soopers mass shooting, the defendant here has been housed at the State Mental Hospital located in Pueblo for a couple of years where he's been forcibly medicated after refusing to take anti-psychotic medications that doctors say treat schizophrenia.

However, in preparation for his trial set to begin with jury selection on 8/26, the defendant recently traveled to Boulder to attend pretrial hearings. When in Boulder, he's housed in the County jail where reportedly, he's again refusing to take the anti-psychotic meds. But unlike the state medical facility, jail deputies do not have the authority to forcibly medicate the defendant.

In Coleman's case, they are currently waiting on a proposed treatment plan by the BPO to restore MC to competency to stand trial (due 8/26). The Court earlier ordered MC to receive involuntary meds at the hospital.

What a travesty if these defendants are forced meds at the medical facility but when they return to jail to stand trial, stop taking the meds, and the jail deputies don't have the authority to forcibly medicate the defendant.

CO - Mass shooting at King Soopers, 10 fatalities including 1 LEO, Boulder, 22 Mar 2021 *arrest*

https://www.cpr.org/2024/08/15/boulder-police-say-alleged-king-soopers-shooter-was-eerily-calm-after-shooting/ […] The defendant has spent the last couple of years at the Colorado Mental Health Hospital in Pueblo, where he is being forcibly medicated after refusing to take anti-psychotic...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Niner]

snipped by me...

What a travesty if these defendants are forced meds at the medical facility but when they return to jail to stand trial, stop taking the meds, and the jail deputies don't have the authority to forcibly medicate the defendant.

Sounds like it defeats the purpose of getting him back to "sane".... they SHOULD have authorization to force meds on him. Guess we will see what happens after 8/26.

 

[Seattle1]

Sounds like it defeats the purpose of getting him back to "sane".... they SHOULD have authorization to force meds on him. Guess we will see what happens after 8/26.

Unlike a State case, I think for a defendant facing federal charges, it would be easier to try the defendant in the jurisdiction where they are being housed for mental treatment including forced meds. Anti-psychotics can have some serious side effects and it follows why jails don't have any authority to force -- County jails don't want this liability. They can't afford the liability. JMO

 

[Niner]

Exclusive | Alleged QAnon killer dad Matthew Taylor Coleman, charged with slaughtering his kids with speargun, keeps trying to mutilate himself in jail

Coleman allegedly slaughtered Kaleo, 2, and Roxy, 10 months, in 2021 because he believed they had serpent DNA, according to authorities.

nypost.com

Aug. 29, 2024

Matthew Taylor Coleman, the California QAnon follower accused of killing his two small children with a speargun, has repeatedly tried to mutilate himself in federal lockup — cutting himself with a razor, diving headfirst into a toilet, punching himself in the face and repeatedly slamming his head against the floor, according to court records.

Coleman, who allegedly slaughtered Kaleo, 2, and Roxy, 10 months, in 2021 because he believed they had serpent DNA, is now under constant observation — and authorities have started medicating him against his will, according to court records.

A prison physician has determined that the 40-year-old meets the criteria for unspecified schizophrenia spectrum and other psychiatric disorders, according to a court filing by the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of California.

 

[Curious Me]

...A prison physician has determined that the 40-year-old meets the criteria for unspecified schizophrenia spectrum and other psychiatric disorders, according to a court filing by the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of California.​

MOO, following those conspiracy theories sent him over the top. Sure he had issues before, but this was what urged him on. I feel it is a really crucial part of this case. Other people on here have shared how they lost their loved ones that way and how helpless they felt to try to stop it.​

From the news article:

Coleman claimed he was convinced by the QAnon conspiracy theory that his children needed to be killed.
AFP via Getty Images

Exclusive | Alleged QAnon killer dad Matthew Taylor Coleman, charged with slaughtering his kids with speargun, keeps trying to mutilate himself in jail

Coleman allegedly slaughtered Kaleo, 2, and Roxy, 10 months, in 2021 because he believed they had serpent DNA, according to authorities.

nypost.com

 

[Seattle1]

@Niner
Since last update -- appears there was a defense document improperly withdrawn which may have resulted in withdrawal of MC's counsel. And Court granted the joint Motion for Extension of Time to File Proposed Treatment Plan by Bureau of Prisons to 8/26. Order for Medication Plan by BOP was dated 5/30 but not clear if Rx plan and 'Treatment Plan' are one in the same. In other words -- I see a continued delay happening here.

U.S. District Court​

Southern District of California (San Diego)​

CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 3:21-cr-02627-CAB-1​

Case title: USA v. Coleman

Date Filed: 09/08/2021

​

Date Filed	#	Docket Text
05/30/2024	66​	ORDER Directing BOP To Provide Involuntary Medication Plan 65 as to Matthew Taylor Coleman (1). Signed by Judge Cathy Ann Bencivengo on 5/30/2024.(ddf) (Entered: 05/30/2024)
06/12/2024	67​	**Withdrawn per doc. no. 70 ** NOTICE for Ex Parte Application for Appointment of Christy O'Connor as CJA Co-Counsel; Declarations of Counsel by Matthew Taylor Coleman (Attachments: # 1 Proposed Order)(O'Connor, Christine) QC Email: Improperly withdrawn document (anh). (Entered: 06/12/2024)
06/12/2024	68​	NOTICE of Errata by Matthew Taylor Coleman re 67 Notice (Other) (Karlin, Amy) (anh). (Entered: 06/12/2024)
06/12/2024	69​	NOTICE for Ex Parte Application for Appointment of Christy O'Connor as CJA Co-Counsel; Declarations of Counsel by Matthew Taylor Coleman (Attachments: # 1 Proposed Order)(Karlin, Amy)QC Email: Proposed order. Event Modified to add motion event (anh). (Entered: 06/12/2024)
06/13/2024	70​	NOTICE OF WITHDRAWAL OF DOCUMENT filed by Matthew Taylor Coleman (Karlin, Amy)(anh). (Entered: 06/13/2024)
07/08/2024	71​	Joint MOTION for Extension of Time to File Proposed Treatment Plan by Bureau of Prisons by USA as to Matthew Taylor Coleman. (Ko, Peter) (anh). (Entered: 07/08/2024)
07/09/2024	72​	ORDER on Joint Motion for Extension of Time as to Matthew Taylor Coleman (1). Signed by Judge Cathy Ann Bencivengo on 7/9/2024.(anh) (Entered: 07/09/2024)
07/15/2024	73​	ORDER on Ex Parte Application Appointing Christy O'Connor as CJA Co-Counsel as to Matthew Taylor Coleman (1). Signed by Judge Cathy Ann Bencivengo on 7/15/2024.(anh) (Entered: 07/15/2024)
07/18/2024	74​	NOTICE Of Withdrawal of Counsel by Matthew Taylor Coleman (Ortega, Cuauhtemoc) (anh). (Entered: 07/18/2024)

End of docket entry 74 at 8/4/24

CM/ECF - casd

ecf.casd.uscourts.gov

Update docket at 8/30/2024 - Docket entries #75 - 78.

Docket Text: NOTICE Of Withdrawal of Counsel by Matthew Taylor Coleman (Ortega, Cuauhtemoc) (anh).
75​	Filed & Entered: 08/07/2024​ Terminated: 08/08/2024​	Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply
Docket Text: MOTION for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply as to [65] MOTION for Order Directing BOP to Provide Involuntary Medication Plan by Matthew Taylor Coleman. (Attachments: # (1) Proposed Order)(O'Connor, Christy)QC Email: Proposed Order (anh).
76​	Filed & Entered: 08/08/2024​	Order on Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply
Docket Text: ORDER on Motion for Extension of Time in Which to File Brief Regarding Sell Factor One as to Matthew Taylor Coleman (1). Signed by Judge Cathy Ann Bencivengo on 8/8/2024.(anh)
77​	Filed & Entered: 08/26/2024​ Terminated: 08/27/2024​	Motion for Extension of Time to File
Docket Text: MOTION for Extension of Time to File Proposed Treatment Plan by Bureau of Prisons (Unopposed) by USA as to Matthew Taylor Coleman. (Ko, Peter) (anh).
78​	Filed & Entered: 08/27/2024​	Order on Motion for Extension of Time to File
Docket Text: Order Granting Unopposed Motion For Extension Of Time. Signed by Judge Cathy Ann Bencivengo on 8/27/2024.(alns)

CM/ECF - casd

ecf.casd.uscourts.gov

 

[Seattle1]

Reference docket entry #78 -- BPO report was extended to 8/29/24 but no evidence as of today the report filed or if sealed. Also, no hearing scheduled on the Judge's calendar.

Order/Doc #78:

 

[Niner]

Thanks for the update @Seattle1 !

 

[Niner]

@Seattle1 - any updates yet? TIA!

 

[Seattle1]

@Seattle1 - any updates yet? TIA!

No change since my last update 7 days ago.

The case got really behind starting with Motion #65-- seeking to Order MC involuntary medicate to restore him competent to stand trial pursuant to Sell v US. (See link below for copy of the Motion, pages 1-5).

Before MC could respond to the Motion for involuntary meds, his lawyer withdrew and another defense lawyer appointed. This resulted in an extension of time for MC to respond to the Sell Motion (see 6/7/24 News 7 link below), and then the parties jointly filed an extension of time for BPO to provide a treatment plan to restore MC to competency.

The Motion for a time extension was granted and BPO was given to August 29 to file the plan. However, before the parties all started needed extensions, we know the Court had previously given MC about 70 days to file his response.

This time, the Court said they would not commit to setting the due date for MC's response until after the BPO's proposed plan was actually in the hands of the Court. Nonetheless, I think it's safe to assume that MC won't be filing a response until around November and a hearing will be set sometime in November if not later.

If I understand Sell correctly, what's at issue here are two things -- whether or not forcibly treating MC will make his condition worse--thus extending his inability to stand trial, or whether or not the Court will grant continuing to house MC in a hospital where he's essentially under civil commitment, and allow treatment using less intrusive options.

IMO, we won't likely see the proposed treatment plan (i.e., sealed) per medical privacy laws.

In referencing the Sell test (criteria for Government to Order involuntary Rx), Government was quick to cite how Sell cautioned it does "not mean to suggest that civil commitment is a substitute for a criminal trial."

Feds want to medicate Santa Barbara man so he can stand trial for the killings of his young children

Matthew Taylor Coleman, 40, said he killed 10-month-old and 2-year-old to prevent them from turning into monsters, according to prosecutors

www.nbcsandiego.com

 

[Niner]

Geez @Seattle1 !! You know these cases all by heart! I am always amazed at how much information you know on some cases! And I won't bother you on this case until - oh beginning of November, as you mentioned above! And again Thanks for explanation of the delay!

 

[Niner]

@Seattle1 - last entry I have is #78 - Motion for extension. Any other updates yet? TIA!

 

[Seattle1]

@Seattle1 - last entry I have is #78 - Motion for extension. Any other updates yet? TIA!

Update to the Docket thru 10/30/24. Last entry # 89. (Entries for sealed Exhibits are omitted from docket report).




BOP provided the Court with a proposed treatment plan to restore MC's
competence, which the parties received on September 3, 2024.

On Sept. 4, 2024, the Court ordered the United States to submit its plan by by Sept. 18, 2024. The Court Ordered the defense to submit its brief by Oct. 2, 2024 (Dkt #82).

On Sept. 16, 2024 and October 9, 2024, the Court granted the parties’ joint
motions to extend the briefing deadlines. (Dkt. #85, 87). Govt's brief extended to Oct 16, 2024, and defense brief due on Oct 30, 2024. (Dkt #87).

By Joint Motion dated Oct 17, 2024 (Dkt #88), parties moved to extend the defense briefing deadline to December 18, 2024. The defense has received the government’s brief but has not yet received the Exhibits that were filed under seal. Order signed (Dkt #89).

Parties agree that this delay is excludable in computing the time within which trial must start under 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(4)...

Given the defense experts may need their own time for the sealed Exhibits, beyond the defense's December 18 briefing deadline, I don't see anything hitting the Court Calendar until 2025. JMO.

 

[Niner]

Thank you @Seattle1 - So I shall be back at the end of December, I guess...