MI - 13-year old girl stabs 7-year old sister to death - September 28, 2024

[NCWatcher]

Oh, ok, I knew that, but I got confused and was thinking of her stepfather as someone who lived somewhere else, and the parents who were out that day as her mother and father, so that changes my whole understanding, thank you.

So I can't imagine what she could possibly have said to stepdad to inform him she had just stabbed his daughter to death, but whatever it was, I assume he ordered her to call 911 and sped home, probably while also calling 911 himself on the way. Which could mean they all arrived near the same time. What a terrible day.

Some articles have said she called her stepfather, others have said her father. In some ways, it doesn't really matter-- I'm sure whoever he was, he was shocked and told her to call 911 immediately. He may have also called 911 himself. I'm sure something like that would have happened whether he was the bio dad of both girls, the bio dad of neither girl, or the bio dad of only the younger girl. But the family dynamics may have been affected depending on whether he was a stepfather or bio dad.

There also seems to be some reporting confusion over who posted the flushing note. Most sources SEEM to say it was the younger girl. If so, I'm pretty sure a 7-year old's note didn't say something like "Please be courteous and remember to flush the toilet when you are through. Thank you!" I expect she used more "colorful" language and may have aimed the note at her sister specifically. Not that that's an excuse for the reaction from the 13-year old but it might PARTLY explain it.
MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Father of 7-year-old girl allegedly killed by her sister opens up about heartache

The father of a 7-year-old girl who was allegedly killed by her sister opened up to me, letting me know who his daughter was. Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn.

www.wxyz.com

 

[Dotta]

Some articles have said she called her stepfather, others have said her father. In some ways, it doesn't really matter-- I'm sure whoever he was, he was shocked and told her to call 911 immediately. He may have also called 911 himself. I'm sure something like that would have happened whether he was the bio dad of both girls, the bio dad of neither girl, or the bio dad of only the younger girl. But the family dynamics may have been affected depending on whether he was a stepfather or bio dad.

There also seems to be some reporting confusion over who posted the flushing note. Most sources SEEM to say it was the younger girl. If so, I'm pretty sure a 7-year old's note didn't say something like "Please be courteous and remember to flush the toilet when you are through. Thank you!" I expect she used more "colorful" language and may have aimed the note at her sister specifically. Not that that's an excuse for the reaction from the 13-year old but it might PARTLY explain it.
MOO

Re the note

Why would a 13 year old teen not flush a toilet?

Ummm...
If it is really true
(which I doubt),
then something is not right with such behaviour and certainly a red flag
among alleged many other red flags seemingly not noticed/denied.

This brutal crime is a sign of hatred towards little sis IMO.

What caused such powerful negative emotion?

JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Re the note

Why would a 13 year old teen not flush a toilet?

Ummm...
If it is really true
(which I doubt),
then something is not right with such behaviour and certainly a red flag
among alleged many other red flags seemingly not noticed.

JMO

People do forget. Even adults sometimes do. I wouldn't assume the younger child usually forgot either. She was 7, not 5. But then, we also have no idea how often the toilet wasn't flushed. The fact that somebody posted a note doesn't mean it happened all the time.

This account says the 7-year old wrote the note. And it says the 13-year old removed the note. Then the fight began with the older child later attacking the younger child in the bathroom. So we just don't know.

Detective Says Teen Accused of Killing Sister, 7, Appeared 'Emotionless' Afterward: 'Like Things Were Normal'

MOO

 

[SouthEnd]

People do forget. Even adults sometimes do. I wouldn't assume the younger child usually forgot either. She was 7, not 5. But then, we also have no idea how often the toilet wasn't flushed. The fact that somebody posted a note doesn't mean it happened all the time.

This account says the 7-year old wrote the note. And it says the 13-year old removed the note. Then the fight began with the older child later attacking the younger child in the bathroom. So we just don't know.

Detective Says Teen Accused of Killing Sister, 7, Appeared 'Emotionless' Afterward: 'Like Things Were Normal'

MOO

I had 20+ yo female roommates who forgot to flush half the time... IMO such arguments can escalate at the spur of the moment. The questions are: was the really no signs of aggressive tendencies, any underlying factors? And, should the parents be held accountable for the easy access the 13 yo had to the hunting knife aka weapon?

MOO

 

[Trebor5591]

Father of 7-year-old girl allegedly killed by her sister opens up about heartache

The father of a 7-year-old girl who was allegedly killed by her sister opened up to me, letting me know who his daughter was. Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn.

www.wxyz.com

Jason Lilburn’s 13-year-old daughter is in custody charged with first-degree premeditated murder as he and his family are trying to pick up the pieces.

Now that seems wrong. First degree premeditated murder? For a death that occurred as a result of an argument?

 

[NCWatcher]

Jason Lilburn’s 13-year-old daughter is in custody charged with first-degree premeditated murder as he and his family are trying to pick up the pieces.

Now that seems wrong. First degree premeditated murder? For a death that occurred as a result of an argument?

But premeditation can occur in the blink of an eye. It doesn't have to mean days or even hours of planning. And the triggers often are arguments.

Reports are spotty and sometimes a bit contradictory. But most accounts seem to say the argument over the sign occurred. They argued in the kitchen. Then sometime later (unclear how much time passed but some did) the 13-year old ambushed the 7-year old in the bathroom. She initially attacked her sister with a knife from the kitchen. Then she stopped and went to fetch the mother's more lethal "self-defense" hunting knife from the laundry. According to LE, the kitchen knife "wasn't getting the job done." (We don't know if the 13-year old said that or if it was the speaker's opinion.)

Had the older child beaten the younger child to death immediately after or as part of an argument, a case might be able to be made for it being a "heat of the moment/crime of passion" killing. But that doesn't appear to be what happened.
MOO

 

[al66pine]

Father of 7-year-old girl allegedly killed by her sister opens up about heartache

The father of a 7-year-old girl who was allegedly killed by her sister opened up to me, letting me know who his daughter was. Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn.

www.wxyz.com

@Elley Mae Thx for posting link to this story.

Skimming thru it verrry quickly, seems to report* that Jason is bio-father to both girls, no mention of a stepfather (or did I miss it?).

Not that a distinction is necessarily crucial, but I want FACTual reporting, and I can't tell whether reporter pinned "Father" on Jason as father of 13yo or whether Jason referred to himself that way.

As @NCWatcher (TYVM ) wisely said re father or stepfather:
"But the family dynamics may have been affected depending on whether he was a stepfather or bio dad."

______________________________
* "father of a 7-year-old girl"
"Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn."
"Jason Lilburn, Jessie Jane's father."
" fateful day, Jason Lilburn’s 13-year-old daughter"

Father of 7-year-old girl allegedly killed by her sister opens up about heartache

The father of a 7-year-old girl who was allegedly killed by her sister opened up to me, letting me know who his daughter was. Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn.

www.wxyz.com

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Obituary information for Jessie Jane "JJ" Lilburn

View Jessie Jane "JJ" Lilburn's obituary, contribute to their memorial, see their funeral service details, and more.

www.voranfuneralhome.com

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/name/jessie-lilburn-obituary?id=56444108

 

[NCWatcher]

@Elley Mae Thx for posting link to this story.

Skimming thru it verrry quickly, seems to report* that Jason is bio-father to both girls, no mention of a stepfather (or did I miss it?).

Not that a distinction is necessarily crucial, but I want FACTual reporting, and I can't tell whether reporter pinned "Father" on Jason as father of 13yo or whether Jason referred to himself that way.

As @NCWatcher (TYVM ) wisely said re father or stepfather:
"But the family dynamics may have been affected depending on whether he was a stepfather or bio dad."

______________________________
* "father of a 7-year-old girl"
"Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn."
"Jason Lilburn, Jessie Jane's father."
" fateful day, Jason Lilburn’s 13-year-old daughter"

Father of 7-year-old girl allegedly killed by her sister opens up about heartache

The father of a 7-year-old girl who was allegedly killed by her sister opened up to me, letting me know who his daughter was. Her name was Jessie Jane Lilburn.

www.wxyz.com

Prosecutor: Girl, 13, who stabbed 7-year-old sister may be sentenced as adult if convicted

This early report refers to calling her stepfather. Thought I'd seen others that said the same. But most I can now find do say father.

 

[seasideForest]

Re the note

Why would a 13 year old teen not flush a toilet?

Apart from possibly forgetting, she might have done it on purpose to annoy, aggravate, provoke the 7yo. Siblings do that kind of thing to each other. MOO

What is really disturbing about this case is the 13yo going on to (allegedly) murder the 7yo. MOO

 

[georgiajean]

Prosecutor: Girl, 13, who stabbed 7-year-old sister may be sentenced as adult if convicted

This early report refers to calling her stepfather. Thought I'd seen others that said the same. But most I can now find do say father.

I searched through social media, and the connection between the mother and father only shows up about a year before the 7 year old was born. So it is possible he is step-dad, but is the only father she's ever known (starting at about 5 years old by my calculations). So legally he is step-dad by marriage, but he considers himself her dad or something.

 

[Dotta]

Apart from possibly forgetting, she might have done it on purpose to annoy, aggravate, provoke the 7yo. Siblings do that kind of thing to each other. MOO

What is really disturbing about this case is the 13yo going on to (allegedly) murder the 7yo. MOO

Yep.
That is why I wrote that
it in itself would be a very worrying sign in behaviour of the 13 year old.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

But they were STILL gone at that time, so this still tells us nothing about how long they were actually left alone for. I would like to know how long after the 911 call did the parents return home.

Was emergency vehicle still at the home when they got back? Had the victim already been taken away? Was the suspect still at the home, perhaps waiting with LE? Or did the parents return home to an empty house? Surely someone in LE would've been left there to await their arrival, if both daughters had already been removed. Or maybe LE was able to reach the parents by phone and let them know they needed to return immediately due to an emergency situation? If that happened, we will never know how long the girls would have potentially been left alone. Not that it mattered in the end. Under 2 hrs was too long this time.

The 13 yr old called her stepdad BEFORE she called 911. So her parents probably arrived close to the time the ambulance arrived.

 

[katydid23]

Taylor police believe mental illness played a role in the deadly stabbing.


“There is absolutely no doubt that the facts in this case are horrific. It is beyond disturbing that the alleged person responsible for the stabbing death of her seven-year-old sister is thirteen years old. We considered adult designating her which is not the same thing as trying her as an adult. It gives the judge the option of sentencing the respondent as a juvenile, or as an adult, or giving a blended juvenile sentence with an option of imposing an adult sentence if the juvenile is not rehabilitated. Our other option was to keep her in the juvenile system. We opted to do just that. Given her young age, the State would have seven years to diagnose, treat, and rehabilitate her until her mandatory release at age 21. Hopefully then she would not be a danger to others. While this is a difficult decision given these facts, it is the right thing to do in this case.”
-Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy

How ‘flush toilet’ note led to Taylor girl stabbing 7-year-old sister to death with 2 knives

A note left in the bathroom allegedly led to a 13-year-old girl stabbing her sister to death over the weekend.

www.clickondetroit.com

I don't think she will be ready for release at 21. This worries me.

 

[asmi106082]

I don't think she will be ready for release at 21. This worries me.

I agree. Why wouldn’t they choose the blended sentence that treats her like a juvenile but still gives them the option to keep her locked up as an adult, if necessary? I don’t get it. MOO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I don't think she will be ready for release at 21. This worries me.

I think they made a huge mistake. Why would they not want to reserve the option of mandating further treatment if she's not rehabilitated at 21? I agree with you. She won't be ready for release at 21.

 

[NCWatcher]

I think they made a huge mistake. Why would they not want to reserve the option of mandating further treatment if she's not rehabilitated at 21? I agree with you. She won't be ready for release at 21.

Seemed a bit odd to me too. However the change the prosecution made after more facts were known to them makes sense to me. It sounds like they DID reserve the option of further treatment. 13-year-old Taylor girl who stabbed sister to death due in court for bond hearing

"Being charged with adult designation does not mean a minor is charged as an adult. However, if convicted, a judge can decide to sentence the suspect as a juvenile, as an adult, or a combination of the two. Also, if the suspect is sentenced as a minor and does not improve, the judge can impose an adult sentence on her."

But while we keep throwing around her need for "treatment" and apparently Taylor LE think mental illness was involved, we have no real idea what her diagnosis might be. So I'm not sure how we can possibly say she'll need treatment past 21, something she's unlikely to actually get in an adult prison (beyond checking a box, that is.)
MOO