He can redeem himself to some extent while incarcerated. He can still make a choice to get some education and also, to contribute somewhat positively to the setting he will be living out his days in. I fully agree with the judge, as well, that EC should have those choices in the prison setting and NOT in society at large.
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He will be a target in prison not much to do in protective custody or in maximum security. Given his age alone he will likely need protective custody from being targeted. Inmates hate child abusers let alone "child" killers.
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I had a vague recollection of Ethan's behavior in jail being mentioned during the Miller hearing but was reminded that he continues his preoccupation with violence and breaks rules while listening to Judge Rowe's opinion. The fact that Ethan doesn't seem to want to let go of his obsession with violence and will even break jail rules to watch violent videos suggests that he isn't ready or willing to be rehabilitated. JMO
...The judge decided there was little chance that the shooter could be rehabilitated.
"The defendant continues to be obsessed with violence and could not stop his obsession even while incarcerated at the jail," Rowe said. "This obsession with violence is in part what caused defendant to commit the underlying offense. If defendant continues to be obsessed with violence in the jail, how can there be a possibility of rehabilitation?"...
Judge rules Oxford shooter eligible for life in prison without parole, setting up key hearing
A judge ruled that prosecutors showed the shooter deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison, setting up a key sentencing hearing in December.
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"The defendant continues to be obsessed with violence and could not stop his obsession even while incarcerated at the jail," Rowe said. "This obsession with violence is in part what caused defendant to commit the underlying offense. If defendant continues to be obsessed with violence in the jail, how can there be a possibility of rehabilitation?"...
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By the way, how was it possible for him to access violent content?
I wonder if he cooperates with therapy sessions.
I wonder if he cooperates with therapy sessions.
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Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley looked up torture site on jail tablet 3 months after guilty plea
Almost a year-and-a-half after the Oxford High School shooting, Ethan Crumbley was caught illegally accessing a website known to show murder, torture, and more violent content on a jail-issued tablet.
"He was given a tablet to use (to get his) GED (and) there are several reasons they're allowed to use it for. He was allowed to access the internet and he immediately went to a website that we know to be about real death, killings," Willis said.
During a hearing in February 2022, details about the tablet were revealed. It was to be shared among inmates and help minors with their education.
Willis said Crumbley was able to figure out how to bypass security and access more than the intended content, which led him to the website – which was not named in court...
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Agreed, but I was thinking more in the sense of in the more distant future, after he's in his 20s or 30s maybe, or 40s or 50s if he makes it there.
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Michigan Supreme Court denies Oxford shooter's parents' appeal
The Crumbleys face four involuntary manslaughter charges connected to the deaths of Madisyn Baldwin, Tate Myre, Hana St. Juliana and Justin Shilling.
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The seven justices declined to hear arguments on the appeal "because we are not persuaded that the question presented should be reviewed by this Court," they said in their decisions for James and Jennifer Crumbley that were issued Tuesday.
James and Jennifer Crumbley have been fighting to get the district court bindover of their case dismissed, arguing Oakland County 52-3 District Court Judge Julie Nicholson erred when finding there was probable cause to send the case to stand trial in circuit court...
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Oxford shooter’s parents heading to trial after state Supreme Court denies appeal
The parents of the Oxford High School shooter are officially headed to trial on involuntary manslaughter charges after the state Supreme Court on Tuesday denied their appeals to get their cases thrown out.
The mother and father of the Oxford shooter, Jennifer and James Crumbley, have each been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the Nov. 3, 2021, school shooting. Both parents are accused of neglecting their son, buying him the gun used in the shooting, and failing to take steps that could have prevented the massacre.
Attorneys have made several attempts to get the parents’ cases thrown out. The latest effort came in May when the parents’ attorneys appealed a Michigan Court of Appeals ruling to the Michigan Supreme Court. The appeals court upheld a lower court’s ruling that sent the parents to trial...
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Parents of Michigan teen school shooter to face trial
The parents of a teenage school shooter who killed four students and wounded six other people in 2021 at his Detroit-area high school will stand trial for involuntary manslaughter, the Michigan Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday.
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Very glad this is going to trial. His parents want to argue that it wasn't foreseeable, but they knew he was unhappy and struggling with mental health. What type of kid did they think commits school shootings? Being in denial isn't going to be a good enough defense.
JMO -- let's see if the legal system agrees.
JMO -- let's see if the legal system agrees.
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Trial of Oxford shooter’s parents scheduled for January 2024: What to know
A trial date has been set for the parents of the Oxford High School shooter after the Michigan Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected their appeal request, the final of their several attempts to avoid trial.
The trial for the Oxford shooter’s parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, is scheduled to begin on Jan. 23, 2024, according to court records from Tuesday. The parents had been bound over for trial for involuntary manslaughter charges by lower courts, but they continued to appeal that decision until it reached the Michigan Supreme Court -- which decided Tuesday to deny their appeal request.
Charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter each in connection with the Nov. 30, 2021, Oxford shooting, the parents were officially expected to stand trial as of Tuesday, Oct. 3, when their trial date was also reportedly set. The state high court’s decision came just a few days after a judge decided that their son, the Oxford shooter, could be sentenced to life in prison without parole despite his age...
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Trial date set for parents of Oxford shooter on involuntary manslaughter charges
Jennifer and James Crumbley will stand trial in January 2024 in connection with the 2021 shooting that left four Oxford students dead and injured seven.
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James and Jennifer Crumbley will stand trial Jan. 23, 2024 in Oakland County Circuit Court on involuntary manslaughter charges after the Michigan Supreme Court declined to hear their appeal of the strength of the case filed against them. They face up to 15 years in prison if convicted.
The Crumbleys have been fighting to get the district court bindover of their case dismissed, arguing Oakland County 52-3 District Court Judge Julie Nicholson erred when finding there was probable cause to send the case to stand trial in circuit court...
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Oxford school shooting victim's family sues Michigan State Police in latest legal challenge
Lawsuit filed by family of slain student Hana St. Juliana, 14, represents latest attempt to hold officials accountable for the mass school shooting.
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That alleged failure included neglecting to make a timely risk assessment and intervene after receiving tips about threats and disturbing behavior by high school students, including Ethan Crumbley, the Oxford High student who would go on to kill four classmates at the school in November 2021 and injure seven others.
The allegation emerged in a lawsuit filed Monday in the Michigan Court of Claims by Steve St. Juliana, the father of slain student Hana St. Juliana, 14, a claim that represents the latest attempt to hold officials accountable for the mass shooting...
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Nearly two years after 10 students and a teacher were shot inside Oxford High School, the district's top leadership said school buildings have been fortified with artificial intelligence technology, fail-safe procedures have been added to threat assessments and staff has been trained in preventive approaches to quell student behavior before it turns deadly.
Widespread changes — some made in recent months since an independent assessment of school security was released in May — have put Oxford Community Schools ahead of any other Michigan school district in terms of prevention, the district's top leader told The Detroit News.
"We have added training, information and people, so everybody is going to be more aware of the signs to look for, the interventions that need to be put in place and the need to do it as early as possible," Vickie Markavitch, superintendent for Oxford Community Schools, said in an interview. "I think that the mental health interventions — even more than safety and security interventions we are doing — is going to be the key to prevention."...
Widespread changes — some made in recent months since an independent assessment of school security was released in May — have put Oxford Community Schools ahead of any other Michigan school district in terms of prevention, the district's top leader told The Detroit News.
"We have added training, information and people, so everybody is going to be more aware of the signs to look for, the interventions that need to be put in place and the need to do it as early as possible," Vickie Markavitch, superintendent for Oxford Community Schools, said in an interview. "I think that the mental health interventions — even more than safety and security interventions we are doing — is going to be the key to prevention."...
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Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley's parents ask to attend son's sentencing
The parents of Ethan Crumbley, the Oxford High School shooter, say they want to be there for their son when he learns his fate.
The parents of the Oxford school shooter are asking a judge to let them attend their son's sentencing in December, stressing that they want to be present during this crucial moment of his case, when the teenager may get life without the possibility of parole.
"Clearly, this is the harshest sentence the court could give to the shooter and worries both Mr. and Mrs. Crumbley considerably," defense attorneys Shannon Smith and Mariell Lehman wrote in a Thursday filing on behalf of James and Jennifer Crumbley. "Understandably, this hearing is of paramount importance, and would be to any parent, no matter what their child has done.
"Mr. and Mrs. Crumbley’s concern for their son should be in no way perceived as 'selfish' or a lack of compassion and concern about what has happened to the shooter’s victims, the community, and all who have been affected by the awful tragedy."
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If they are allowed to view their son's hearing remotely, they'll hear the judge's statements, victim impact statements, etc.
IMO they should hear those statements.
IMO they should hear those statements.
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Court says Oxford shooter’s parents can’t attend son’s sentencing in December
An Oakland County court has denied the parents of the Oxford shooter’s request to attend their son’s sentencing hearing scheduled for December while they themselves are in jail awaiting trial.
James and Jennifer Crumbley filed a motion asking the Oakland County Circuit Court to allow them to leave jail and attend the Dec. 8 sentencing hearing of the Oxford shooter, their son, who is facing the possibility of life in prison without the chance for parole. The court denied the parents’ request, court documents showed Friday, Oct. 13...
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PONTIAC, Mich. – An Oakland County court has denied the parents of the Oxford shooter’s request to attend their son’s sentencing hearing scheduled for December while they themselves are in jail awaiting trial.Court says Oxford shooter’s parents can’t attend son’s sentencing in December
An Oakland County court has denied the parents of the Oxford shooter’s request to attend their son’s sentencing hearing scheduled for December while they themselves are in jail awaiting trial.www.clickondetroit.com
James and Jennifer Crumbley filed a motion asking the Oakland County Circuit Court to allow them to leave jail and attend the Dec. 8 sentencing hearing of the Oxford shooter, their son, who is facing the possibility of life in prison without the chance for parole. The court denied the parents’ request, court documents showed Friday, Oct. 13...
If you find out WHY the judge is denying the parents' Motion to attend the sentencing hearing, please let us know, thanks.
The parents want to attend in-person but the prosecution says this would be a distraction to the victim impact statements, this could be one factor in the judge's decision.
But this is short-sighted, defendants should be in the courtroom listening to all the victim impact statements and the parents are defendants involved with their son's Case. The Crumbley's should hear and see the families.
How about remote viewing? Absolutely no reason for the parents not to - at least - view this remotely over video..... 2 Cents
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Ethan has had a court-appointed guardian ad litem for several months. She sat with him throughout the Miller hearing.
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