Because the parents of the girl who brutally beat the other girl were not involved with the beating.How would those two cases be different?
Because the parents of the girl who brutally beat the other girl were not involved with the beating.How would those two cases be different?
Oh absolutely they have been held accountable. I was simply saying that, while I’m not sure what my PERSONAL definition of justice would be, that SOMETHING needed to be done differently in this specific case compared to the other school shootings that I have any knowledge of.BBM:
Thankfully that was already taken care of in Michigan by applying its "Involuntary manslaughter" laws to both Crumbleys.
Well,"SOMETHING" was "done differently".Oh absolutely they have been held accountable. I was simply saying that, while I’m not sure what my PERSONAL definition of justice would be, that SOMETHING needed to be done differently in this specific case compared to the other school shootings that I have any knowledge of.
I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not doing a good job of explaining myself. I agree that these parents, unlike parents of other school shooters, deserved to be held accountable for their actions, or lack thereof. I don’t have as much knowledge of case details for the other shootings as I do of this one because it happened 15 minutes from me but I do believe that there were many opportunities for the parents to have prevented this shooting from happening. All I was saying is that I have not decided what justice looks like for me, personally, but I don’t have to have that answer. I fully support the families in their pursuit of justice and accountability and would never try to tell them that they are “out for blood” as someone mentioned above. The pain they have experienced is unimaginable. I will be very interested to see what the judge decides to do for sentencing.Well,"SOMETHING" was "done differently".
The Crumbleys were the first parents of a school shooter who were criminally charged and now convicted.
My god. Can’t imagine what these parents have endured. They didn’t speak of the shooter or hatred. Just focusing on the mental health of kids and how these shootings need to stop. Heartbreaking.Karen McDonald and Parents after James Crumbley's guilty verdict.
Being that it' is your community have you not heard what people have been saying for 2.5 yrs and now during the trials and Jennifer's guilty verdict and James's trial?I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not doing a good job of explaining myself. I agree that these parents, unlike parents of other school shooters, deserved to be held accountable for their actions, or lack thereof. I don’t have as much knowledge of case details for the other shootings as I do of this one because it happened 15 minutes from me but I do believe that there were many opportunities for the parents to have prevented this shooting from happening. All I was saying is that I have not decided what justice looks like for me, personally, but I don’t have to have that answer. I fully support the families in their pursuit of justice and accountability and would never try to tell them that they are “out for blood” as someone mentioned above. The pain they have experienced is unimaginable. I will be very interested to see what the judge decides to do for sentencing.
We don't know that to be the case, or what role the parents may have played in her upbringing and brutal and homicidal actions.Because the parents of the girl who brutally beat the other girl were not involved with the beating.
Not surprised at all, but I think the jury got it wrong.
After being interviewed no charges were pressed against him and he didn't testify at either trial.Does anyone know if there were/are any repercussions for the art studio friend who let them stay at his studio, bought them groceries, etc? Did he testify in either trial?
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Until it's found out that the parent's negligence is some how involved it's a moot point.We don't know that to be the case, or what role the parents may have played in her upbringing and brutal and homicidal actions.
You can find people on all sides of the issue. The people I know who were directly affected are in full support of the charges and verdicts. To be transparent, I only know people who had kids that attended the school but were not in the immediate vicinity of the shooting, and I also know someone associated with the prosecution. That person and I have only spoken very superficially about the entire process because of their role and responsibilities but I have seen the toll the trials have taken on them personally. I also know people who feel like the parents have been punished “enough” and think the charges are not appropriate. As in most situations, I think there is a wide range of thoughts and feelings about what should have been done and what was ultimately decided.Being that it' is your community have you not heard what people have been saying for 2.5 yrs and now during the trials and Jennifer's guilty verdict and James's trial?
How much support for them are you aware of?
Is there a consensus or something that they shouldn't have been found guilty?
Do people write letters to papers about them, pro and con?
No one from the community was testifying for them at trial .
Ethan's was at an awkward age. Dad bought the gun because his son was begging for it. I'm assuming his son was sad and distant and he thought it would make things better.
Yep- this case is all about the gun- it was obvious it wasn't "hidden" enough because Ethan got his hands on it and the ammunition----the parents acted oblivious to what was going on with their son-taking him to the shooting range! I think this will be a wake up call for parents with this precedent setting case----This is exactly what this case is about. What should parents think a sad distant teenager would do with a gun? A gun hidden in a closet?
The victims are gone forever. Every day from now on, their families must live without them. This is what can happen when a sad teenager has a gun. We all know this. These parents ignored reality. IMO.