MI MI - Adrienne Quintal, 47, called for help, foul play possible, Honor, Benzie Co., 17 Oct 2019

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It is likely that the shots were real, Adrienne's call to a friend was real, and the call to the police was real.

But what if Adrienne was never at the cabin, and she didn't disappear into thin air in the minutes from her call to a friend to when the police arrived.

What if she was elsewhere and being fired upon. Where she shot someone in the face. And disappeared from that location.

If this was the case, the cabin had to be previously staged (poorly) to appear there was a one-sided shootout from inside a locked cabin, with no blood evidence.

I realize that all the dots don't line up for this scenario, but thinking outside the box. Nothing lines up in any scenario.
 
Why do you take a woman? I have seen very few, if any, cases that the motive wasn't sexually related.

SA cases seem to be more element of surprise and overwhelming force, IME. Shooting at them took both out of the equation.
 
It is likely that the shots were real, Adrienne's call to a friend was real, and the call to the police was real.

But what if Adrienne was never at the cabin, and she didn't disappear into thin air in the minutes from her call to a friend to when the police arrived.

What if she was elsewhere and being fired upon. Where she shot someone in the face. And disappeared from that location.

If this was the case, the cabin had to be previously staged (poorly) to appear there was a one-sided shootout from inside a locked cabin, with no blood evidence.

I realize that all the dots don't line up for this scenario, but thinking outside the box. Nothing lines up in any scenario.
Gone girl....all lines up.
 
It is likely that the shots were real, Adrienne's call to a friend was real, and the call to the police was real.

But what if Adrienne was never at the cabin, and she didn't disappear into thin air in the minutes from her call to a friend to when the police arrived.

What if she was elsewhere and being fired upon. Where she shot someone in the face. And disappeared from that location.

If this was the case, the cabin had to be previously staged (poorly) to appear there was a one-sided shootout from inside a locked cabin, with no blood evidence.

I realize that all the dots don't line up for this scenario, but thinking outside the box. Nothing lines up in any scenario.
I've thought about that, but here phone was at the cabin. That is 100% where the call came from.
 
About 36 volunteers and 12 human remains detection (HRD) dogs will spend Dec. 7 and 8 searching about 1,000 acres of woods around the Indian Hill Road cabin, which belongs to Quintal’s uncle.

Alpena County Search & Rescue will send two canine teams, while the rest will come from around the state, said Chris Moe-Herlick, deputy director of the all-volunteer Alpena organization.

[...]

A credible tip was received on Monday with a specific time and place where a person that may have been Quintal was seen, [Lt. Troy] Lamerson said. Security footage is being looked at from the location, he said.
 
About 36 volunteers and 12 human remains detection (HRD) dogs will spend Dec. 7 and 8 searching about 1,000 acres of woods around the Indian Hill Road cabin, which belongs to Quintal’s uncle.

Alpena County Search & Rescue will send two canine teams, while the rest will come from around the state, said Chris Moe-Herlick, deputy director of the all-volunteer Alpena organization.

[...]

A credible tip was received on Monday with a specific time and place where a person that may have been Quintal was seen, [Lt. Troy] Lamerson said. Security footage is being looked at from the location, he said.
Lamerson gave commissioners an update on the case, saying he was in Detroit on Monday to interview several people, including Quintal’s son and boyfriend.

The boyfriend, who had been helping Quintal winterize her uncle’s cabin, left two days before the Oct. 17 incident. He has been named a person of interest in the case.

“We’re learning more every time we talk to them,” Lamerson said.
 
Lamerson gave commissioners an update on the case, saying he was in Detroit on Monday to interview several people, including Quintal’s son and boyfriend.

The boyfriend, who had been helping Quintal winterize her uncle’s cabin, left two days before the Oct. 17 incident. He has been named a person of interest in the case.

“We’re learning more every time we talk to them,” Lamerson said.

If the boyfriend is innocent and helping every way possible, it is unlikely that much more could be obtained from him at this point.

If the boyfriend IS involved, the police have a mountain more information on him now compared to a month ago; where he was at different times, who he associates with, where he obtained income, and what he was involved in etc. Short of a confession, the information they obtain would be probably based on his lies, denials, misinformation IMO.

The family reward money is massive, and very unusual. Almost seems ransom level. This may suggest the family really does believe Adrienne is being held (as they say).

Was the person of interest involved in something that Adrienne got caught up in?
 
I am in Europe and can't access this news site. Can anyone give an update?

'Credible' tip received in Benzie missing woman case
  • By Patti Brandt Burgess
  • Nov 26, 2019

Special to the Record-Eagle/Benzie County Sheriff's Department



BEULAH — A dozen canine search and rescue teams are heading to Benzie County next week, where they'll scour the woods for a downstate woman who has not been heard from since mid-October.

Adrienne Quintal, of Southfield, disappeared Oct. 17 after calling a Detroit-area friend from a cabin in Honor to report that she was in a shootout and had shot a man. Her friend then called 911.

When deputies arrived they found Quintal’s car, cell phone, purse and handgun, but no sign of the 47-year-old or any evidence that anyone had been shot.

About 36 volunteers and 12 human remains detection (HRD) dogs will spend Dec. 7 and 8 searching about 1,000 acres of woods around the Indian Hill Road cabin, which belongs to Quintal’s uncle.

Alpena County Search & Rescue will send two canine teams, while the rest will come from around the state, said Chris Moe-Herlick, deputy director of the all-volunteer Alpena organization.

The search had been scheduled for earlier this month, but was canceled after a storm dumped a couple feet of snow on some areas. Moe-Herlick said unsafe roads caused the delay, as the dogs can pick up a scent in up to about a foot of snow.

Lt. Troy Lamerson of the Benzie County Sheriff's Office told commissioners at the Benzie County board meeting this week that his department is in the process of finding places for the volunteers and dogs to sleep.

He was also looking for funding to provide meals for the group while they are in town. The request was OK’d by Mitch Deisch, county administrator.

Lamerson gave commissioners an update on the case, saying he was in Detroit on Monday to interview several people, including Quintal’s son and boyfriend.

The boyfriend, who had been helping Quintal winterize her uncle’s cabin, left two days before the Oct. 17 incident. He has been named a person of interest in the case.

“We’re learning more every time we talk to them,” Lamerson said.

Family members are offering a $100,000 reward for information on Quintal, who is 5 feet, 7 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds. She has brown hair and eyes and goes by the name “Ada.”

"The family believes she is being held against her will," Lamerson said.

The reward is good until Saturday, when it drops back to the original amount of $10,000.

"That is bringing people out of the woodwork," said Lamerson, with tips offered by psychics and by one person who had a dream about Quintal.

A credible tip was received on Monday with a specific time and place where a person that may have been Quintal was seen, Lamerson said. Security footage is being looked at from the location, he said.

Lamerson said this is the biggest case he's worked on in the 22 years he's been with the sheriff's office.

"There's so many moving parts to it," he said. "It's changing daily — which way we're going, who's being investigated."

Sheriff Ted Schendel has said he is hoping the search will rule out the possibility that Quintal came to harm after running out into the woods.

A canine team consists of a handler and an HRD dog, said Moe-Herlick, who with her dog Kaiser makes up one of the teams.

Each team also has two field support people, or “flankers,” she said. Flankers maintain radio communications and work with GPS and mapping to make sure their canine team is safe, she said.

A search management team will also set up and maintain a communications center, she said.

Everyone involved in the effort is an unpaid volunteer, Moe-Herlick said.

“We do this because of the need to help family members have closure for the missing family member,” she said.

Anyone with information on the case should call Benzie County Central Dispatch at 231-882-4487 or the Michigan State Police silent observer line at 1-866-774-2345.
 
"Credible tip" didn't sound like it should take more than a few hours to review camera footage, if it's local.

They're letting the big reward expire, hunting season to end, and staging an elaborate dog & pony show to search for evidence that may need to be used in a trial. I hope every volunteer involved in the search will be fully vetted prior to the search.



Sheriff Ted Schendel has said he is hoping the search will rule out the possibility that Quintal came to harm after running out into the woods.
Yeah, nah. That's not how it works. Bodies are overlooked. Finding her elsewhere is the only way to "rule out" those woods and river. Hunting camps, state land, reward seekers, I'm guessing lots of strange scents will be in the area. I suppose the K9 training teaches them the difference in scent of deer vs human, and blood drops can quickly be identified.
 
"Credible tip" didn't sound like it should take more than a few hours to review camera footage, if it's local.

They're letting the big reward expire, hunting season to end, and staging an elaborate dog & pony show to search for evidence that may need to be used in a trial. I hope every volunteer involved in the search will be fully vetted prior to the search.




Yeah, nah. That's not how it works. Bodies are overlooked. Finding her elsewhere is the only way to "rule out" those woods and river. Hunting camps, state land, reward seekers, I'm guessing lots of strange scents will be in the area. I suppose the K9 training teaches them the difference in scent of deer vs human, and blood drops can quickly be identified.
Cadaver dogs are trained for human remains only. They won't even hit on animal remains. Live scent tracking dogs are totally different and generally aren't the same dog.
 
'Credible' tip received in Benzie missing woman case
  • By Patti Brandt Burgess
  • Nov 26, 2019

Special to the Record-Eagle/Benzie County Sheriff's Department



BEULAH — A dozen canine search and rescue teams are heading to Benzie County next week, where they'll scour the woods for a downstate woman who has not been heard from since mid-October.

Adrienne Quintal, of Southfield, disappeared Oct. 17 after calling a Detroit-area friend from a cabin in Honor to report that she was in a shootout and had shot a man. Her friend then called 911.

When deputies arrived they found Quintal’s car, cell phone, purse and handgun, but no sign of the 47-year-old or any evidence that anyone had been shot.

About 36 volunteers and 12 human remains detection (HRD) dogs will spend Dec. 7 and 8 searching about 1,000 acres of woods around the Indian Hill Road cabin, which belongs to Quintal’s uncle.

Alpena County Search & Rescue will send two canine teams, while the rest will come from around the state, said Chris Moe-Herlick, deputy director of the all-volunteer Alpena organization.

The search had been scheduled for earlier this month, but was canceled after a storm dumped a couple feet of snow on some areas. Moe-Herlick said unsafe roads caused the delay, as the dogs can pick up a scent in up to about a foot of snow.

Lt. Troy Lamerson of the Benzie County Sheriff's Office told commissioners at the Benzie County board meeting this week that his department is in the process of finding places for the volunteers and dogs to sleep.

He was also looking for funding to provide meals for the group while they are in town. The request was OK’d by Mitch Deisch, county administrator.

Lamerson gave commissioners an update on the case, saying he was in Detroit on Monday to interview several people, including Quintal’s son and boyfriend.

The boyfriend, who had been helping Quintal winterize her uncle’s cabin, left two days before the Oct. 17 incident. He has been named a person of interest in the case.

“We’re learning more every time we talk to them,” Lamerson said.

Family members are offering a $100,000 reward for information on Quintal, who is 5 feet, 7 inches tall and weighs 125 pounds. She has brown hair and eyes and goes by the name “Ada.”

"The family believes she is being held against her will," Lamerson said.

The reward is good until Saturday, when it drops back to the original amount of $10,000.

"That is bringing people out of the woodwork," said Lamerson, with tips offered by psychics and by one person who had a dream about Quintal.

A credible tip was received on Monday with a specific time and place where a person that may have been Quintal was seen, Lamerson said. Security footage is being looked at from the location, he said.

Lamerson said this is the biggest case he's worked on in the 22 years he's been with the sheriff's office.

"There's so many moving parts to it," he said. "It's changing daily — which way we're going, who's being investigated."

Sheriff Ted Schendel has said he is hoping the search will rule out the possibility that Quintal came to harm after running out into the woods.

A canine team consists of a handler and an HRD dog, said Moe-Herlick, who with her dog Kaiser makes up one of the teams.

Each team also has two field support people, or “flankers,” she said. Flankers maintain radio communications and work with GPS and mapping to make sure their canine team is safe, she said.

A search management team will also set up and maintain a communications center, she said.

Everyone involved in the effort is an unpaid volunteer, Moe-Herlick said.

“We do this because of the need to help family members have closure for the missing family member,” she said.

Anyone with information on the case should call Benzie County Central Dispatch at 231-882-4487 or the Michigan State Police silent observer line at 1-866-774-2345.
Thank you.
This feels like hopeful news.
 
About 36 volunteers and 12 human remains detection (HRD) dogs will spend Dec. 7 and 8 searching about 1,000 acres of woods around the Indian Hill Road cabin, which belongs to Quintal’s uncle.

Alpena County Search & Rescue will send two canine teams, while the rest will come from around the state, said Chris Moe-Herlick, deputy director of the all-volunteer Alpena organization.

[...]

A credible tip was received on Monday with a specific time and place where a person that may have been Quintal was seen, [Lt. Troy] Lamerson said. Security footage is being looked at from the location, he said.
Good. I remember from the Paul Swenson case from a couple of years ago that sometimes a person can be found in a place that’s already been looked at.
 
It is likely that the shots were real, Adrienne's call to a friend was real, and the call to the police was real.

But what if Adrienne was never at the cabin, and she didn't disappear into thin air in the minutes from her call to a friend to when the police arrived.

What if she was elsewhere and being fired upon. Where she shot someone in the face. And disappeared from that location.

If this was the case, the cabin had to be previously staged (poorly) to appear there was a one-sided shootout from inside a locked cabin, with no blood evidence.

I realize that all the dots don't line up for this scenario, but thinking outside the box. Nothing lines up in any scenario.
Do we know if LE looked at the other cabin the family owned? Might explain the discrepancy in the address given the friend who called 911? I’ve been hesitant to ask but wondering for awhile.
I don’t believe Ada left without her gun unless she had another in her possession with a surplus of ammunition. IMO also she doesn’t strike me as as a woman without a plan in a worst case scenario.
I also IMO don’t discount Lundy being involved and a drug induced mental break. Too hinky that she sustained a recent assault and just disappeared IMHO
 
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