MI MI - Danielle Stislicki, 28, Southfield, 2 Dec 2016 #7

[Momma2cam]

Thank you for explaining a bit more of the demographics of ST.

Sex crimes are many and varied, as old as time. Sex is a primary motive for abductions and murder. It doesn't have to involve trafficking at all.

Yes. Completely agree. Sometimes I think the numerous definitions of trafficking can often overlap other sex and/or abduction crimes, which can make discussions like this confusing. We may be saying the same thing with different language. I do believe an abduction occurred here, possibly or probably linked to control and/or sex- the same things we see in sex trafficking.

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[GigTu]

I just can't picture a scenario where this obviously bright and resourceful woman with an engineering degree from the University of Michigan (IIRC) and who is physically fit could be coerced and groomed unwilling to be sexually exploited in this way. It takes a while to get strung out on drugs....I think there would be too many ways for her to escape if she was interacting with the public. HT victims have to be brainwashed to an extent for the criminals to make a profit. I hope for the best outcome for her and her loved ones.

I disagree. Fear and coercion, and drugs, need only be present immediately to get someone to put on a lingerie and get their photo taken. IF DS were to find herself in a backpage ad, I have NO doubt that her face would not be shown. Therefore, we would not know her expressions or anything else.

And I believe these girls are not available to the public. Any john who calls, shows up, pays and takes advantage of these girls is a creep and a rapist and would not turn anyone in. In fact, I suspect they get off on knowing how naughty it is to pay for sex with a slave. JMO

 

[Vresia]

Originally Posted by InsightfulSage
Interesting. Wondering why it ever came back online to begin with. Innocent or not, until there are definitive answers about DS, he is going to be harassed. Why would you bother reactivating in his situation?

It makes no sense, I agree.

I was thinking he may have reactivated it today to contact a friend. Just to get a message to that person, not to engage in an exchange.

 

[mavicolie]

What scenario would fit with:

-the family asking for shares with no limit to area

-the family and LE asking for no searches (and none being done by LE other than the initial)

-the SG not being arrested by now

(All 3 together. Not individually. Because that's the current situation.)


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[Momma2cam]

What scenario would fit with:

-the family asking for shares with no limit to area

-the family and LE asking for no searches (and none being done by LE other than the initial)

-the SG not being arrested by now

(All 3 together. Not individually. Because that's the current situation.)


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IMO- the shares are to keep her face and stories of her out there and reaching as many people possible. To get news stations to continue to report. To make her personality known and increase pressure on anyone that knows anything to come forward.

- Lack of public searches seems to be common if they already have reason to believe what happened and to avoid contaminating the area. Local searches by officials did occur, many times. I do still wonder about this though.

- DNA evidence has not come back and SG is not talking. Sometimes arrests take months or longer while gathering evidence for an airtight case.

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[missgulfsouth]

Yes. Completely agree. Sometimes I think the numerous definitions of trafficking can often overlap other sex and/or abduction crimes, which can make discussions like this confusing. We may be saying the same thing with different language. I do believe an abduction occurred here, possibly or probably linked to control and/or sex- the same things we see in sex trafficking.

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The difference here being (I believe), this was personal. Either an existing relationship that went badly for any number of reasons - OR - one sided hopes of a relationship (or casual hook up) in which motive would be lust, control, anger at being rejected, fear of being found out. Not monetary gain by trafficking. IMO

 

[Kadie]

Ms. Stislicki doesn't have a mole on her upper lip. I just can't picture a scenario where this obviously bright and resourceful woman with an engineering degree from the University of Michigan (IIRC) and who is physically fit could be coerced and groomed unwilling to be sexually exploited in this way. It takes a while to get strung out on drugs....I think there would be too many ways for her to escape if she was interacting with the public. HT victims have to be brainwashed to an extent for the criminals to make a profit. I hope for the best outcome for her and her loved ones.

DS does not have an engineering degree from Michigan. The POI'S wife does ...

 

[Kadie]

Which do you mean:

Children from foster care are being trafficked?
Or some DHS workers are traffickers?

I have some knowledge in this area, due to my occupation. Older teens who have been in the foster care system for most of their lifetime, can end up in trafficking situations. Most often in the inner cities: Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids.

 

[mavicolie]

IMO- the shares are to keep her face and stories of her out there and reaching as many people possible. To get news stations to continue to report. To make her personality known and increase pressure on anyone that knows anything to come forward.

- Lack of public searches seems to be common if they already have reason to believe what happened and to avoid contaminating the area. Local searches by officials did occur, many times. I do still wonder about this though.

- DNA evidence has not come back and SG is not talking. Sometimes arrests take months or longer while gathering evidence for an airtight case.

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Keeping her in the publics eye is great and all, but States/countries away doesn't matter in the scenario that the crime is done, over, or isolated, right?

The searches were of the grounds, buildings, and some wooded areas within the first week. That doesn't explain the past 4 weeks.

I get not arresting SG until the evidence is back and they have a solid case.



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[cujenn81]

To the posters asking about POI not speaking to police - it is your 5TH AMENDMENT right against self incrimination that allows you to never speak to police.

You may have to identify yourself based on the circumstances, such as driving a registered motor vehicle. But if police knock on your door and start asking you questions - you DO NOT need to answer anything. Why ? Well, police are trained to lie and be deceptive in their questioning techniques to illicit responses that give them evidence against you. This means if you ask why they are knocking on you door, they may lie. They may be investigating a murder, and you may implicate yourself somehow unwittingly EVEN IF YOU ARE INNOCENT. This happens to people all the time. You have the constitutional right NOT to help the police make a case against you.

Look on the YouTube under "never talk to police" and you will see some eye opening testimonials from attorneys etc.
This is the guy I like:
[video=youtube;Vi434yXk_qo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi434yXk_qo[/video]

Everybody knows the line from Miranda "anything you say can and will be used against you", but the part they dont tell you is that anything you say CAN NOT BE USED IN YOUR DEFENSE. If the police gathered that info while arresting you, it will not be admissible in your defense. This means that gushing your story to the cops in hopes that you might explain your way out of a problem is useless when you get to court.

If you are ever arrested, say absolutely nothing. Your lawyer will be extremely grateful, and she/he will have much more leverage to defend you.

All those cop shows on television where they are interrogating people with no lawyer are appalling. You never answer questions, you just say "I want my lawyer".

The 5th Amendment can also be used selectively. You can talk to the police, but if you find any of their questions offensive, you just say "I am not answering that question".

Best thing is to stick to the phrase "I do not answer questions".

I completely agree. I've honestly been shocked at the number of posts I've seen on this particular thread implying it's unwise to refuse to speak with LE. Even worse, it has been implied one must be guilty if they do.

On the contrary, regardless of guilt or innocence, it is unwise to speak to LE about a crime without a lawyer present. You may know nothing and unknowingly say something that makes you look guilty. Confirmation bias and tunnel vision are very real things and can be impossible to prevent.

For example, say you agree to speak to LE about a crime you didn't commit because you don't have anything to hide. They ask you about a robbery that occurred last Tuesday that left the store owner dead. You tell them you were with your friend John last Tuesday and that he will confirm it. Besides, you tell them, you don't even own a gun. As it turns out, you had your days mixed up. John tells the police that you were together on Wednesday, not Tuesday. Now, the police want to know what you may be hiding and why you lied to them about your alibi. They're also wondering how you knew a gun was involved. They had only mentioned that he'd been killed; they specifically left out that he'd been shot. (You had only assumed that was the case because most armed robberies involve guns.) The store is right down the road from your house, and you shop there frequently. In fact, the security footage shows that you'd stopped by there on the very same day the robbery occurred. LE doesn't have any other credible leads, and now you're suspect numero uno.

The justice system operates like any other organization. There are consequences for employees who fail to close cases and promotions for those who do. Unfortunately, that is only one of many factors that result in the convictions of innocent people every single day.

PS. The law professor seen in that YouTube video also released a book recently, "You Have the Right to Remain Innocent". It's well worth a read.


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[Momma2cam]

I have some knowledge in this area, due to my occupation. Older teens who have been in the foster care system for most of their lifetime, can end up in trafficking situations. Most often in the inner cities: Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids.

The Human Rights Project for Girls found that the overall majority of youth ST victims had been involved in the child welfare system. I think also important to note is that not all of them became victims as youth- this included adult victims. It makes sense when you think about trafficking- children who had involvement in the child welfare system have many risk factors for multiple forms of victimization and many are not missed, especially as you noted, those that age out of the system.

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[missgulfsouth]

What scenario would fit with:

-the family asking for shares with no limit to area

-the family and LE asking for no searches (and none being done by LE other than the initial)

-the SG not being arrested by now

(All 3 together. Not individually. Because that's the current situation.)


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It tells me that the family believes she is being held against her will.
But that doesn't mean that it's true.
I think LE knows who's who and what's what. They just need every i dotted and every t crossed.

 

[gam]

Keeping her in the publics eye is great and all, but States/countries away doesn't matter in the scenario that the crime is done, over, or isolated, right?

The searches were of the grounds, buildings, and some wooded areas within the first week. That doesn't explain the past 4 weeks.

I get not arresting SG until the evidence is back and they have a solid case.



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Where would you like them to search? Mi is a big state with lots of woods and lots of abandon buildings. They have to have some kind of clue, it can be costly for police departments, requires man power or they have to have volunteers, which is not always a good idea.

 

[Momma2cam]

Keeping her in the publics eye is great and all, but States/countries away doesn't matter in the scenario that the crime is done, over, or isolated, right?

The searches were of the grounds, buildings, and some wooded areas within the first week. That doesn't explain the past 4 weeks.

I get not arresting SG until the evidence is back and they have a solid case.



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If someone knows something, even in another state, it would be important to keep her in the public eye to increase pressure. It also could be serving to give some control to the family in an otherwise out of control situation. They feel like this is maybe all they can do to try and control the situation and also maintain hope for the most positive outcome.

As far as searches, I know we are limited to msm, but the case is active and I'm not so sure there have not been additional organized searches unaware to the public.


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[Vresia]

What scenario would fit with:

-the family asking for shares with no limit to area

-the family and LE asking for no searches (and none being done by LE other than the initial)

-the SG not being arrested by now

(All 3 together. Not individually. Because that's the current situation.

I think that LE had evidence very early on that her phone crossed state lines. This explains no request for public help in searches, the diverse collection of LE involved, the effort to get Dani's story spread as far as possible.

 

[MichJustice]

DS does not have an engineering degree from Michigan. The POI'S wife does ...

Opps, thanks for the correction. I knew I should of double checked that before posting (got lazy with the IIRC). I can't find any info actually about her education, at tip of my fingers. My apologies.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I think that LE had evidence very early on that her phone crossed state lines. This explains no request for public help in searches, the diverse collection of LE involved, the effort to get Dani's story spread as far as possible.

Her phone crossing state lines (IF true) could mean something other than trafficking.

 

[Vresia]

Her phone crossing state lines (IF true) could mean something other than trafficking.

I completely agree. I do not believe HT is involved in this case.

I know posters have offered explanations for why so many LE agencies are involved but I have been puzzled by this since it was first announced. I think the cell in another state could explain some of the heavy hitters that were involved so quickly.

It has occurred to me that a clever perpetrator could stash a victims cell on a truck or something and lead LE on a wild goose chase until the battery died. I do not think that is what happened here however. At the moment, I think whoever took Dani took her out of state. I have thought it likely that her cell was in her coat pocket and that the battery went dead at 7PM. This is wild speculation but it answers some of the things that have been bugging me about what LE & the family have said.

 

[missgulfsouth]

In fact, if her phone pinged in Ohio, I'd be searching there. It's not a long drive from FH if one wanted to get rid of evidence and create a lot of distance between himself and the evidence.

"Someone" might have decided it was a good idea to make this look Chillicothe related.

 

[jbelle]

Dani looks really young, is petite, and in good shape. She could easily pass for 20 years old, IMO. Pervs who hire escorts don't ask their real age, they don't care. All they care about is looks. Because of this, I don't think we should rule out HT on her age alone. I know she doesn't fit the profile because she likely wasn't groomed or on hard drugs either, but crazier things have happened.

Maybe they don't care to ask age, but know what John's would care about? Getting their DNA all up on a chick that's on the news missing with billboards and flyers begging for her return.

I have followed hundreds of these cases, in all human trafficking is brought up, in none did it turn out to be the case except a couple. And in the human trafficking cases it was known from the get go that the girls were lured out. That's what is scary about these traffickers, they do exactly what someone mentioned a few pages back with the "katie" girl. They befriend, bring pizzas, make them feel they care for them. These girls usually leave on their own, and we all know how little LE looks for girls in their later teens that have left "willingly".

People keep talking about these 30-40 year old suburban woman snatched up and forced into the sex trade but no one can link me articles where it was cut and dry like that. Just a regular lady snatched up in minutes after driving home from work. Sure, some people remain missing and we don't know what happened to them, but we often do and it's never that. In the hundreds of busts and sting operations LE has preformed on Human Traffickers I have not seen a single high profile missing person found involved. Not one.

Is Human Trafficking rampant? Sure, but most of what we call Human Trafficking now is what used to just be disgusting regular pimp behavior, luring young girls into the lifestyle, getting them hooked on drugs and not letting them leave. Too many young girls from abusive homes/relationships, woman on drugs, foreign woman who do not speak English to go into the suburbs procuring girls the way a sexual predator hunts their prey. People posted tons of Human Trafficking cases on the Papini thread and not one fit when I read deeper into the story.

Same with the black market for babies I read often with missing little ones, is there a black market for babies? Sure, but are they lurking in suburban playgrounds waiting to snatch up little blond haired blue eyed babies? No.

I'm not telling others what to think I'm just stating what I have seen and not seen in my sleuthing life. I like reading all theories and I truly TRULY hope I am wrong about this one and it's that one fluke case that makes me eat crow. I also understand fully why others are considering what I am not seeing all those agencies involved and some comments that were made. We will see! I just hope wherever she is she comes home safe.