MI MI - Macomb Co, 2 WhtFems, UP10563 & UP11130, body parts in sewer, Aug'12

[dotr]

Not sure if this tattooed missing woman has been suggested already.
Although missing woman, Angela Whalen Hudson, was only 120 lbs. in 2001, she may have gained weight since then, imo.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ela-Whalen-Hudson-33-Ruffin-20-September-2001

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hudson_angela.html

"Red scorpion on back. Chinese dragon on upper right shoulder. Egyptian hieroglyphics on right ankle"

 

[KYangel]

This missing female is tall and has a large tattoo, missing since 2004

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4305/65


"Giovanna Tyler
Pierce County, Washington
29 year old native american female"

I'm from KY, and we have an unidentified female Native American same height, est death matches Giovanna. And I see they've NOT been compared. NameUS ID: ME-11-914 - found along Cumberland Pkwy (aka Louis B Nunn Pkwy) 8/15/11.

Both women have DNA and Dental on file w/ NameUS.


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[dotr]

I'm from KY, and we have an unidentified female Native American same height, est death matches Giovanna. And I see they've NOT been compared. NameUS ID: ME-11-914 - found along Cumberland Pkwy (aka Louis B Nunn Pkwy) 8/15/11.

Both women have DNA and Dental on file w/ NameUS.


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Is this the correct thread for the case you are referring to?
"KY - Glasgow - NtvAmFem (UP 9284), 20-50, Found Near Beaver Creek Bridge - Aug'11 "
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...)-20-50-Found-Near-Beaver-Creek-Bridge-Aug-11

http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/uni...cle_9df053e1-bd58-586b-8548-b330fae0e21f.html

"In a 2011 case in Barren County in which the skeletal remains of a Native American woman were found, a forensic anthropologist determined the woman had been scalped.

State contractors spraying trees west of Glasgow near mile marker 8 along the eastbound stretch of the Louie B. Nunn Cumberland Parkway found the woman’s skull after sunrise Aug. 15, 2011. The skull had been pierced by a bullet. Police searched the area and found several other bones that had been scattered.

Her cause of death appears obvious. But her identity and her killer remain a mystery.

“There is nothing else like forensic pathology, working with the dead people and trying to figure out why they died, how they died, when they died and who they are,” Burrows-Beckham said."

 

[dotr]

Wondering if this sleazy cadaver dealer or their suppliers might unknowingly be connected to the skin found in the sewer?
speculation, imo.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...-wife-pleads-guilty-body-parts-case/82087740/

 

[carbuff]

Updated Namus link. WARNING, PICTURES OF THE ACTUAL FOUND PIECES OF FLESH AND IT'S REALLLY GROSS!
Unidentified Person Case

No ruleouts.

 

[jessica-]

So I know this is far fetched... But we just had a murderer in Ontario caught flushing body pieces, and he was linked to a girl missing in 2008...

 

[Al Ka]

When I first read the news regarding Sterling Heights, Michigan last summer I used Adobe Fireworks to manipulate the photo released to the public in an attempt to organize the proper placement of the tattoo. I've since uploaded my findings should you care to review it. If the presentation won't load, please click on the Presentation 1 button below.

Presentation1

Still catching up on whole thread but really greatly done presentation. It makes it much easier to visualize whole piece.

 

[Al Ka]

#UP10563 - NamUs for remains found Aug 15, 2012 - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

#UP11130 - NamUs for remains found Dec 20, 2012 in Warren - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

#UP11640 - NamUs for remains found Sept, 2013 - (WARNING - graphic images) The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Anyone who is registered, are there any rules outs listed in any of these cases?

 

[YaYa_521]

#UP10563 - NamUs for remains found Aug 15, 2012 - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

#UP11130 - NamUs for remains found Dec 20, 2012 in Warren - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

#UP11640 - NamUs for remains found Sept, 2013 - (WARNING - graphic images) The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Anyone who is registered, are there any rules outs listed in any of these cases?

Of the three profiles you linked above this is the only rule out listed.

#UP10563 - NamUs for remains found Aug 15, 2012 - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Missing Person / NamUs # MP6853
Sheila Main, Female, White / Caucasian
Date of Last ContactAugust 17, 2006
StateOH
CountyWood

 

[ManicMuggle83]

Was hoping this would be resolved by now!! Bump*

 

[YaYa_521]

#UP10563 - NamUs for remains found Aug 15, 2012 - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
MP6853 Sheila Main

#UP11130 - NamUs for remains found Dec 20, 2012 in Warren - The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
No Exclusions

#UP11640 - NamUs for remains found Sept, 2013 - (WARNING - graphic images) The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
MP20795 Robert Pitts

Anyone who is registered, are there any rules outs listed in any of these cases?

FYI - Updated exclusion for UP11640.

 

[Melt71]

Coming up to 10 years for the first of these sets of remains - no additional ruleouts have been added in Namus.

@Nina Michigan Do you know if LE in MI proactively use DNA/genealogy to identify remains?

 

[Nina Michigan]

Coming up to 10 years for the first of these sets of remains - no additional ruleouts have been added in Namus.

@Nina Michigan Do you know if LE in MI proactively use DNA/genealogy to identify remains?

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to that.

 

[Goecke]

Since the thread for the UID of unknown sex is active again, I'm going to bump this one too.
I'm very much leaning towards the surgical waste theory.

 

[BigKeyManatee]

///////WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES//////

Does anyone else see octopus tentacles in the tattoo?
I was thinking sort of stylized Japanese woodcut octopus hiding amongst seaweed. Or a Kraken type créature?

 

[Goecke]

In the other thread it was brought up that these images of the tattoo could be pictures/paper cutouts and not actual images of the flesh. Since the images just show the skin and the actual remains contained subcutaneous fat and some muscle.

If this was just one person I'd lean towards a homicide, but since there's three people with very similar remains disposed of in a very similar way I'm more inclined to think medical/surgical waste. It's also possible to lose this much skin and fat and live, if in a surgical setting with the proper care... One woman who was on my 600 pound life had a panniculectomy and they removed 80 pounds of tissue. Granted, she was very large to begin with, but such a thing is possible. (My 600-Lb Life: Where Is Samantha Mason Now? - The List)

 

[Otterly]

The case for the remains found on Aug 15, 2012 has been added to Doe Network: https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/main.html?id=1767ufmi

 

[dotr]

The case for the remains found on Aug 15, 2012 has been added to Doe Network: https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/software/main.html?id=1767ufmi

Awesome, thanks for the link!

1767UFMI - Unidentified Female​

Partial tattoos.
Date of Discovery: August 15, 2012
Location of Discovery: Sterling Heights, Macomb County, Michigan
Estimated Date of Death: Unknown
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial remains with soft tissues. Torso not recovered. One or more limbs not recovered. One or more hands not recovered.
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description​

Estimated Age: Cannot Determine
Race: White / Caucasian
Sex: Female
Height: Cannot Estimate
Weight: Cannot Estimate
Hair: Unknown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: 6 pieces of flesh found with parts of a tattoo

Identifiers​

Dentals: Unknown
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Unknown

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Unknown
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery​

Homicide suspected. Body pieces were discovered in a waste sewer.

 

[Goecke]

Could there be a possibility these chunks of flesh were going to be made into skin grafts? Cadaver skin grafts are only made for temporary use, so I don't see why tattooed skin couldn't be used. Skin Graft: What Is It, Risks, Benefits & Recovery https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/cadaveric-skin
Obviously, something went wrong along the way for the pieces to end up in the sewer. But it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility for these to be "reject" skin grafts.