Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership

[matou]

Don't know if this is the right thread, but ...

I was recalling the company names of Millard Holdings and Millard Properties, and while searching on "Millard Holdings" came across a "D**g Millard Holdings" in equestrian circles. Given we are interested in and sleuthing on all things equestrian in the Audrey Gleave thread as it relates to a JV, and given i'd never heard of a D**g Millard, I thought surely it was not related to DM. HOWEVER, I have since found this article which relates to "D**g Millard Holdings" and a numbered Ontario company, with business management listed at the Hangar 9 addy on Derry Road:

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf13/252.pdf

Okay sleuths ... what's up with this?

Yeah WTH is up with that? Who is this other DM? This document is dated 1999. Does this person actually exist? What do you think, sillybilly? Is this fraud to designate a person as being the main stockholder of the company AirWave Transportation. Also remember that Dellen was on genebase.com in 2007 which is a company dealing with DNA lineages.

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf13/252.pdf
http://www.genebase.com/node/f67215b7bb

 

[matou]

What was the equestrian link again? Oh yeah, Wayne Millard's ex-girlfriend.

 

[Juballee]

Yeah WTH is up with that? Who is this other DM? This document is dated 1999. Does this person actually exist? What do you think, sillybilly? Is this fraud to designate a person as being the main stockholder of the company AirWave Transportation. Also remember that Dellen was on genebase.com in 2007 which is a company dealing with DNA lineages.

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf13/252.pdf
http://www.genebase.com/node/f67215b7bb

I am sorry, but I am very confused, what is the connection between a charter company and a DNA database?

And if the DM mentioned in the airline info link is the same DM as we are discussing here, wouldn't he have been 8 or 9 years old when the company in question was founded? I doubt, that if, as someone implied, there is a fraud being uncovered here, that DM was the mastermind at 9 years old.

 

[matou]

Obviously Dellen was too young. So who is this other DM with ties to aviation business? This other person's name isn't Dellen, please read the PDF link. Could Dellen have been looking for another relative is why I mentioned the DNA database, maybe this other DM. Either this person is a relative or it's someone entirely unrelated to the Millardair company or it's fraud related. A 9 year old clearly doesn't commit fraud JMO

 

[MsSherlock]

Yeah WTH is up with that? Who is this other DM? This document is dated 1999. Does this person actually exist? What do you think, sillybilly? Is this fraud to designate a person as being the main stockholder of the company AirWave Transportation. Also remember that Dellen was on genebase.com in 2007 which is a company dealing with DNA lineages.

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf13/252.pdf
http://www.genebase.com/node/f67215b7bb

Excellent find SillyBilly-to make things a bit more interesting, I discovered this by searching the aircraft mentioned:Seems like the Millardair Hangar is the address of service for this aircraft http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp

 

[Juballee]

Obviously Dellen was too young. So who is this other DM with ties to aviation business? This other person's name isn't Dellen, please read the PDF link. Could Dellen have been looking for another relative is why I mentioned the DNA database, maybe this other DM. Either this person is a relative or it's someone entirely unrelated to the Millardair company or it's fraud related. A 9 year old clearly doesn't commit fraud JMO

I did read the entire PDF link, which is how I noticed that the DM that this thread is dedicated to would have been about 9 years old when this company was formed. <modsnip>

I am not sure if the DNA database also searches the web for people with the same last name, I think that most people could do that for free from their homes or that is more of an ancestry.com type of search. Unless the DM that <modsnip> also supplied his DNA to the same research databank, I doubt that would be relevant. Also, I think that if this person was a relative, WM might have discovered it, if the other DM's company was in fact using the Millardair hanger to service a plane.

 

[Snoofo]

I am not so sure he could have mortgaged the building. Banks don't lend on buildings, unless you own the land the building sits on. Perhaps the bank mortgaged all the properties to secure the credit line, thus the selling of the properties.

You can get a mortgage with a long-term lease (and I think we heard in early MSM it was a 50 year lease - right? - sorry I cannot check this at the moment).

If cash was needed, DM could sell the business but not the land.

 

[Snoofo]

lol, I think everyone is missing my point. DM owned the condo, but didn't own the other property. <modsnip>

Although I joined in late, I got your point Ms.S. as I'd sleuthed this early on but it is unsleuthable territory which is why I never went there. Whatever happened to that connection/relationship we will never know and all we can speculate is that the unit was either unoccupied or not making income, therefore suitable for sale. The last occupant may not have paid rent anyway and I suspect is no longer in the picture.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Although I joined in late, I got your point Ms.S. as I'd sleuthed this early on but it is unsleuthable territory which is why I never went there. Whatever happened to that connection/relationship we will never know and all we can speculate is that the unit was either unoccupied or not making income, therefore suitable for sale. The last occupant may not have paid rent anyway and I suspect is no longer in the picture.

I got the point too. I just didn't understand why it mattered or what it had to do with anything. Maybe I'm missing something.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

This confuses me too.

Don't know if this is the right thread, but ...

I was recalling the company names of Millard Holdings and Millard Properties, and while searching on "Millard Holdings" came across a "D**g Millard Holdings" in equestrian circles. Given we are interested in and sleuthing on all things equestrian in the Audrey Gleave thread as it relates to a JV, and given i'd never heard of a D**g Millard, I thought surely it was not related to DM. HOWEVER, I have since found this article which relates to "D**g Millard Holdings" and a numbered Ontario company, with business management listed at the Hangar 9 addy on Derry Road:

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf13/252.pdf

Okay sleuths ... what's up with this?

Yes, there is a D*** M who has race horses. Maybe he's the same one who seems to have helped finance his friend's Air Wave company, since they seem to be in the same city. Who knows if it is or if they're related, and why does it matter? What does it have to do with this case?

Yeah WTH is up with that? Who is this other DM? This document is dated 1999. Does this person actually exist? What do you think, sillybilly? Is this fraud to designate a person as being the main stockholder of the company AirWave Transportation. Also remember that Dellen was on genebase.com in 2007 which is a company dealing with DNA lineages.

http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf13/252.pdf
http://www.genebase.com/node/f67215b7bb

Are you suggesting the senior family members were into illegal activities? Why would you think this person doesn't exist?

Excellent find SillyBilly-to make things a bit more interesting, I discovered this by searching the aircraft mentioned:Seems like the Millardair Hangar is the address of service for this aircraft http://wwwapps2.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ccarcs/aspscripts/en/history.asp

I couldn't help but notice that SB's link shows the address as Hangar 9, while MsS's shows Hangar 5. Maybe hangar address also don't always match the registrations?? In any event, a hangar was the address of service, since the company ended operation in 2001. Probably because the President and Owner died in a plane crash the previous July.


Again, why does it matter who is related to DM?

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

I am sorry, but I am very confused, what is the connection between a charter company and a DNA database?

And if the DM mentioned in the airline info link is the same DM as we are discussing here, wouldn't he have been 8 or 9 years old when the company in question was founded? I doubt, that if, as someone implied, there is a fraud being uncovered here, that DM was the mastermind at 9 years old.

Nobody said that Dg = Dellen. We'd just like to know who/what Dg is all about as it relates to that particular document that tracks back to the Millard hangar addy. AND, whoever Dg is (if he existed), the connections to the equestrian circles are very interesting to those of us who sleuth on other cases.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes, there is a D*** M who has race horses. Maybe he's the same one who seems to have helped finance his friend's Air Wave company, since they seem to be in the same city. Who knows if it is or if they're related, and why does it matter? What does it have to do with this case?

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I couldn't help but notice that SB's link shows the address as Hangar 9, while MsS's shows Hangar 5 ....

Again, why does it matter who is related to DM?

JMO

Carl Millard's name is also associated with Hangar 5:

https://www.google.ca/#psj=1&q="carl+millard"+"hangar+5"+"derry+road"

Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to some who are sleuthing other cases. No different than discussing the fact that DM is related to CM.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Carl Millard's name is also associated with Hangar 5:

https://www.google.ca/#psj=1&q="carl+millard"+"hangar+5"+"derry+road"

Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to some who are sleuthing other cases. No different than discussing the fact that DM is related to CM.

I said I was confused and asked why it mattered. I guess you're saying it doesn't matter unless I'm following the AG case??

Regardless, a simple google search will tell you D***M does exist and has race horses. A D***M is also on the Board of Directors of Woodbine Entertainment. Are they the same one? Seems like logically they could be. Is it the same one that's connected to AirWave? Again, seems possible since they're both out of the Woodstock area. I don't think it's a stretch for someone who travels North America in the racing circuit to have a plane or two, or to know a pilot. I also don't think it's a stretch for that airline to be based at Pearson or in a Millard hangar, even if it's a coincidence that they share the same last name.

I'm just saying, if it's not connected to the case, maybe some care should be taken when suggesting that someone who happens to have the same last name may not exist or that fraud may be involved.

JMO

 

[swedie]

Carl Millard's name is also associated with Hangar 5:

https://www.google.ca/#psj=1&q="carl+millard"+"hangar+5"+"derry+road"

Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but it matters to some who are sleuthing other cases. No different than discussing the fact that DM is related to CM.

Could it be CM's brother or an uncle? Maybe at the time he lived with CM and his wife. It is interesting none the less. Good find SB. One thing may just lead to uncovering truths, keep up the great sleuthing. :moo: :cheers:

 

[Sillybilly]

Funny how no one seems to care who MS is related to. Has anyone tracked down photos of his grandfather, or speculated on what his mother is doing with his room while he's in jail?

I think that to bring into play a second DM that we have no idea if they is any relation to is different than discussing that DM is CM's grandson. One is a known fact and one is unsupported speculation.

The known fact is that the address on an official document contains the same surname and the same address used by CM > Millard Air. No different than any other document that we discuss or question.

 

[Alethea Dice]

The known fact is that the address on an official document contains the same surname and the same address used by CM > Millard Air. No different than any other document that we discuss or question.

But the address on the official document that matches the address previously used by MillardAir is the business address for Air Wave Transportation. The address for D Millard on that same official document is shown as Woodstock, Ontario. It could also be noted that D Millard is not listed as a director, officer or key management personnel of Air Wave. He simply owned 74% of the shares and owned one of the planes that Air Wave leased.

 

[Archangel7]

I agree SB. Just a lot of circumstances.

In addition, the fact that the owner of a different company(Airwave) used that 2450 Derry Rd addy also, and he(the president/owner)also died violently/unexpectedly, and they too cancelled their AMO August, a year later. Same addy, violent death, head of company, AMO cancelled.

Heck of a coinkydink. Lots of oddity, tragedy etc. with that place and associates.

 

[swedie]

Snoofo, I'd agree with you as far as Maple Gate and Riverside are concerned, but the 2 condo's? Those would be pretty care free. Nothing to do with those except collect the rent. There is a common factor in the Woodbridge Condo and the place that DM was listed online on while helping a friend sell back in 2011. These two virtual tours seem to have some pretty similar furniture. I do find that interesting and odd. MOO

http://mikedonia.mediatours.ca/611-281-woodbridge-avenue-vaughan-treb/
Go to **www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx8F4gY8jn0

Nice find MsS. Looks like some of the same furniture. I would definitely connect the same person to living in both residence. I've seen many staged house sales and they are usually not that involved with all the finer details especially if it's not a model house. And as you found, different real estate and agent. JMO.

 

[matou]

I agree SB. Just a lot of circumstances.

In addition, the fact that the owner of a different company(Airwave) used that 2450 Derry Rd addy also, and he(the president/owner)also died violently/unexpectedly, and they too cancelled their AMO August, a year later. Same addy, violent death, head of company, AMO cancelled.

Heck of a coinkydink. Lots of oddity, tragedy etc. with that place and associates.

I just checked what you posted and wow, really weird. Thanks for the info!

 

[Sillybilly]

Probably because the President and Owner died in a plane crash the previous July.

<rsbm>

FWIW, the document states the holding company was 100% owned by D*** M.