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angelmom said:
But to say that Perez Hilton calling her an "ignorant *****" was more classy than her is ridiculous. That is not quality journalism, and neither is a single thing on his website.

Then for people to go looking for her medical records and try to dig up anything they can to smear her seems a little cheap. Did they do this for any of the other contestants or only the ones who had differing opinions to the almighty Perez?

She may be completely wrong, but no one deserves to be ripped apart like this over an opinion. She doesn't even have an ounce of power to do anything about that opinion!

This is why people hate the media.
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Perez is not a journalist. He has zero credentials in that respect. He's a gossip blogger and that's all he is.
 
reportertype said:
Perez is not a journalist. He has zero credentials in that respect. He's a gossip blogger and that's all he is.
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I know there used to be a distinction, but it's pretty hard to tell the difference nowadays.

No offense intended to you or your profession. I'm sure the decline in standards bothers you more than me.
 
The hypocrisy of this whole mess is what bothers me the most regardless of what "side" you are on. I supported her right to state her opinion when asked and don't believe she should have been penalized for her point of view. However, I agree she articulated it poorly and deserved to lose.

Unfortunately everyone is looking for a hero and there are so few out there. The conservatives jump on her bandwagon as a champion against gay marriage. The liberals jump on the "Perez" bandwagon as a champion for gay marriage. Both the beauty queen and Perez are so far from good role models or heros it is laughable. And the truth is, so few people will ever be a good role model for conservatives because everyones definition of morality is different. And nobody is perfect so there will always be cracks that can be exploited.

I personally do not see anything wrong with the only photo I have seen. It looks like many many fashion adds for underwear and I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing adds like that show up on TV right after the ads for E.D. (I've been lurking in that thread also). However, because she set herself up as Miss Morality, she now looks like an idiot. The same thing with the breast enhancements. I personally don't want to go down that road and hope my children don't feel the need to, but I don't think they are immoral. I wish people could have an opinion on a subject and just leave it at that. I think it is possible for her to be against gay marriage, based on her moral beliefs, but believe that the body is beautiful and should be tastefully photographed. Until she opened her mouth that is and turned into some moral spokesperson.

And Perez is just a mean boy getting back, vicariously, at all the people who have picked on him his whole life. He is the worst for the gay community with his outing of gay people who don't want to be role models (can you blame them?) and criticizing how people look, which is probably how he was treated his whole life because he was different (armchair phycology). He was rude and disrespectful of her opinion. You can be insulted and disagree without getting ugly, this board is a good example of that. He is a horrible spokesperson for this whole debate and I can't believe they let him be a judge in the first place. I use to read him because he had the best scoop, but it just got to be so mean and disgusting I couldn't wade through the filth to get the gossip. I stick to TMZ for my gossip. But I am not judging anyone for reading him. he has good scoop.

The hypocrisy of the pageant is the best. I think that breast enhancements should be against the rules in a beauty pageant. What is the point? What are they judging? Who can have the best plastic surgeon? If it is about personality and poise then it doesn't matter what your body porpotions are. If it is about physical beauty, then going to the doctor to be altered seems like cheating to me. For the pageant to pay for it is even more ridiculous. And for them to be bothered by the picture I saw (maybe there are others out there that are worse) when they have them parading across the stage in a teeny weenie bikini and paying for breast enhancements is hypocrisy at it's best, IMO.

I need to stop thinking about this because it is a mess, and no one looks very good in this.
 
IMO the entire pageant is ridiculous. Years ago when skimpy underwear ads, Victoria's Secret, *advertiser censored* movies, and SI swimsuit editions were unknown or, at least, on a "no-no" list, the Miss America pageant gave a peek under street clothes of beauty queens. With the addition of the questions and talent sections, there's been an attempt to legitimize it, but the real reason it goes on is still the swimsuit part of the pageant. And, quite honestly, more skin is revealed on a nice day at any US beach. Finally, I'm willing to bet most people don't recall the names of past winners, maybe even last year's winner.

Today's real women are ones who will graduate from college, go on to become successful in their careers. I don't see men shedding their clothes to prove their worth. Why should women need to do it? IMO it's way past time to end this pageant.
 
Trino, the only beauty pageant winner I can name (from my half-century of exposure) is Vanessa Williams. And I only remember her because she was stripped of her title (which I thought stupid) and then had the last laugh by becoming a big star.
 
ziggy said:
Pegatha: yes welcome and
Excellent post!
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Yes, indeed! Welcome, Pegatha and great post.

The only quibble I would add is that in terms of social change, it is often irritants like Perez Hilton who get the most done. That doesn't mean I "like" him (or watch him or even read his site); it's just that I know from history that revolutionaries are often unlikeable, annoying and tactless.

Even now-admired figures such as Dr. King and Cesar Chavez were often viewed quite differently in their day. Not to mention John Adams, Ben Franklin and their crowd, who were often obnoxious and rude -- and effective. (I am NOT suggesting Hilton is in those leagues. God forbid.)
 
Nova said:
I know there used to be a distinction, but it's pretty hard to tell the difference nowadays.

No offense intended to you or your profession. I'm sure the decline in standards bothers you more than me.
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So much so that I left it! The lines are growing blurrier by the day, it seems, but there is still a pretty good chasm between Perez and The Washington Post. (For now.)

And I agree, Nova, it is irritating that it's those like Perez who seem to get more done. I agree completely with your above post.
 
Okay, I haven't read this entire thread, and I'm a little late to the game, but since this is a subject that I'm passionate about, I'll add my two cents and apologize for restating anything that has already been stated. This is all just my opinion.

First, and maybe most importantly as far as the duty of the government goes, is the separation of church and state. Since the U.S. is a melting pot with people of all religions, if separation of the two is not upheld, our government would be a whole lot of ridiculous and often contradictory laws. As an agnostic, I can agree that the Bible is a good guidebook of morals but I also understand that it was written and is interpreted by man. And we all know man has flaws.

If changes to the government concerning interracial marriage hadn't been made, I most likely wouldn't be here. Do I think that there is a difference between gay marriage and interracial marriage? Certainly there are evolutionary differences when it comes to reproduction. Same-sex tendencies may be 'unnatural' but that just further proves the point that homosexuality is not a choice. Who chooses to be discriminated against? Who chooses to have less rights than the rest of Americans? Unfortunately, society has chosen.

As far as Ms. Cali goes, I can't say that I wouldn't have stated my person opinion and said "YES GAYS SHOULD MARRY!!" and potentially segregated audience members. But like her, I would not be representing America as a whole, and thus, I would not make a good Miss America. SHE lost her title. Not Perez Hilton. For her and myself, speaking what we believe, however conflicting they are, is more important than winning a pageant I guess. I don't dislike her, but I think that she is extremely misguided. She should attempt to educate herself more before speaking publicly.

For my friends who are gay and straight, I want the best for them. I want them to have everything that I could have - whether it be the title of marriage or protection against discrimination under the law. Being bi-racial has given me a different perspective on religion and discrimination that I don't think most people have. Fortunately for the GLBT community and friends, people are coming around and you will have your rights soon I hope. I, personally, will not be marrying until gay marriage is legalized. I won't contribute to bigotry and discrimination against my roommate, some of my best friends, and the GLBT community in general.

It simply doesn't make sense why I'm worthy of some rights, but my friends aren't in a country that promotes equalities.
 
kittenish said:
Okay, I haven't read this entire thread, and I'm a little late to the game, but since this is a subject that I'm passionate about, I'll add my two cents and apologize for restating anything that has already been stated. This is all just my opinion.

First, and maybe most importantly as far as the duty of the government goes, is the separation of church and state. Since the U.S. is a melting pot with people of all religions, if separation of the two is not upheld, our government would be a whole lot of ridiculous and often contradictory laws. As an agnostic, I can agree that the Bible is a good guidebook of morals but I also understand that it was written and is interpreted by man. And we all know man has flaws.

If changes to the government concerning interracial marriage hadn't been made, I most likely wouldn't be here. Do I think that there is a difference between gay marriage and interracial marriage? Certainly there are evolutionary differences when it comes to reproduction. Same-sex tendencies may be 'unnatural' but that just further proves the point that homosexuality is not a choice. Who chooses to be discriminated against? Who chooses to have less rights than the rest of Americans? Unfortunately, society has chosen.

As far as Ms. Cali goes, I can't say that I wouldn't have stated my person opinion and said "YES GAYS SHOULD MARRY!!" and potentially segregated audience members. But like her, I would not be representing America as a whole, and thus, I would not make a good Miss America. SHE lost her title. Not Perez Hilton. For her and myself, speaking what we believe, however conflicting they are, is more important than winning a pageant I guess. I don't dislike her, but I think that she is extremely misguided. She should attempt to educate herself more before speaking publicly.

For my friends who are gay and straight, I want the best for them. I want them to have everything that I could have - whether it be the title of marriage or protection against discrimination under the law. Being bi-racial has given me a different perspective on religion and discrimination that I don't think most people have. Fortunately for the GLBT community and friends, people are coming around and you will have your rights soon I hope. I, personally, will not be marrying until gay marriage is legalized. I won't contribute to bigotry and discrimination against my roommate, some of my best friends, and the GLBT community in general.

It simply doesn't make sense why I'm worthy of some rights, but my friends aren't in a country that promotes equalities.
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Welcome, kittenish and terrific post. Don't feel like you have to apologize if your post might restate points that have been made. I daresay I've been saying the same things over and over again here for years and they haven't kicked me out yet - thank God! :)
 
Have not read the entire thread but here's my two cents:

I was at first inclined to sympathize a little with her- I do not agree with her statements however this whole thing was sort of thrust at her and she was caught off guard. I strongly support civil unions, am a bit unsure about marriage but I think it is coming and we all need to adapt. It did seem at first to be that she was being bullied by some of the activists and I couldn't see what the fuss was about.
Since, she has been doing the circuit of all the fundy shows, etc and my sympathy for her has evaporated. I think she is allowing herself to be used by people who are really mean spirited and intolerant. In short she has politicized her title and probably it needs to be taken away from her.
 
reportertype said:
So much so that I left it! The lines are growing blurrier by the day, it seems, but there is still a pretty good chasm between Perez and The Washington Post. (For now.)

And I agree, Nova, it is irritating that it's those like Perez who seem to get more done. I agree completely with your above post.
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Sorry you left your chosen profession, which I agree is a vital one in a democracy.

But if you were a print journalist, it looks like you may soon have the last laugh, even if you have to cry while you chuckle. :sigh:
 
southcitymom said:
Welcome, kittenish and terrific post. Don't feel like you have to apologize if your post might restate points that have been made. I daresay I've been saying the same things over and over again here for years and they haven't kicked me out yet - thank God! :)
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Dear kittenish, I'm quoting SCM to add my welcome to hers! Great post above!

Welcome, snick1946, as well!

Jumping into this thread late doesn't seem to have hurt either one of you!
 
EmMomma said:
Got this on my FaceBook today from the human Rights Campaign, thought y'all may be interested:
http://www.hrcbackstory.org/category/states/new-york/

Baby steps, baby steps. :)
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Thanks, Em :blowkiss:

I have taken the liberty of posting this on the Gay Marriage Now Legal In.... thread which I am trying to keep updated with everything happening in the States concerning this issue. I hope you don't mind!
 
southcitymom said:
Thanks, Em :blowkiss:

I have taken the liberty of posting this on the Gay Marriage Now Legal In.... thread which I am trying to keep updated with everything happening in the States concerning this issue. I hope you don't mind!
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Of course not! :blowkiss: Just saw that thread, will keep an eye out!
 
DT is going to decide her fate today.

However, according to TMZ the photos seemed to have been taken THIS year, not when she was 17.

If this is so, apparently truthfullness is not part of being a traditionalist.
 
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