Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #5

[norcalsleuth]

Guess they weren't as close as the Sheriff indicated.

 

[TKS2003]

Guess they weren't as close as the Sheriff indicated.

like I said, I am not completely up to date, and welcome any corrections---that being said, maybe the sheriff/LE has something up their sleeve...maybe trying to fake him out now---or perhaps they already know he made it to Mexico, in my mind, surely thats where he wanted to get to, eh?
how much is his wife co-operating with LE? sorry so many questions, like I said, it's a lot to try and catch up on, going back to the old threads!

 

[norcalsleuth]

Doubt cast on sighting in LA

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/index.html

 

[FlowerChild]

Any person who is a citizen of a country with which the US is "allied" can hold "dual citizenship" - with the US being the "primary" citizenship and maintaining that person's passport. I can go and become a citizen of Canada and hold dual citizenship with the US and Canada - and I do NOT have to give up my US passport OR my US citizenship to do so. My husband works for an international company and he has MANY co-workers from Europe - most of them are US citizens BUT did not have to surrender their citizenship in France, Belgium, The UK etc to become US Citizens. They do have to surrender their passports and carry a US passport but otherwise they are still considered full citizens of BOTH COUNTRIES and their children also can hold dual citizenship in BOTH countries as well (no matter which country they are born in). For instance, if you are a French citizen (and a US citizen) your children who are born here can apply for French citizenship as well....and hold both.

If was a minor child of parents who were given US citizenship - he was also given US citizenship with them - even though he was born in Mexico. The military would have the place of birth if was born here - that they do not ("unknown") tells me he was definitely born in Mexico - meaning he is a naturalized US citizen who by birthright holds DUAL CITIZENSHIP, it's automatic and the US does NOT require anyone to denounce their foreign citizenship when they become US citizens so long as the US is allied with that country.

So no, the military would not require someone with dual citizenship with Mexico to denounce their Mexican citizenship to enlist in the US military or get most levels of military security clearance - so long as the person's clearance investigation can be successfully completed. I doubt had ANY sort of clearance at all - he was a low level paper pusher. Top Secret clearance would be about the ONLY level for which it MIGHT be harder to approve someone who was not born here or who had dual citizenship - but a 21 year old paper pushers at a US base are nowhere NEAR that level. I actually know someone who was born in Mexico, became a citizen at age 14 (with his parents and siblings), served 12 years in the US military, traveled the world - achieved a high rank, and YES, he has dual US/Mexican citizenship.

I will find a link - I think it's in a CNN transcript - but LE or the military said he was born in Mexico and held US citizenship. They do not have to SAY he has dual citizenship because if he was born in Mexico and became a US citizen , that is automatic - just like for people from ANY countries with which we are allied - Canada, Mexico, France, England, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Greece, Switzerland, et al.

My Opinion

 

[SuziQ]

Doubt cast on sighting in LA

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/index.html

Sheesh, for all we know Cesar is sitting dead from a SIGS wound in NC somewhere!

 

[Mygirlsadie]

As for US citizenship and the military... They DO require you to become a US citizen after so many years of service. I can't remember exactly but I believe it is 7 years you are allowed to stay in the military before you have to become a US citizen or get out of the military. I know because my husband had to do it in order to re-enlist in the Army.

 

[ThoughtFox]

This article says he is of Mexican nationality, so I imagine they are nervous if he is possibly trying to flee across the border:

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_7961502?source=most_viewed

www.fbi.gov. Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean's description:
Date of Birth: 11/13/1986

Height: 5'9"

Weight: 160 pounds

Eyes: Brown

Hair: Black

Sex: Male

Race: Hispanic

Nationality: Mexican

NCIC: The NCIC number for subject Cesar Armando Laurean is W653665176

Occupation: U.S. Marine Corps Corporal

Remarks: Laurean is a U.S. Marine Corps Corporal currently assigned to Camp Lejeune , North Carolina .

Laurean may be driving a four-door 2004 Dodge Ram truck, black in color, displaying North Carolina license plate TRR1522.

Great! Aren't those the same people who didn't take her rape allegations seriously in the first place?

Yeah - you know, this whole thing is such an unnecessary tragedy. I almost can't bear to read about it because it makes me ill. This guy was evil long before he killed her, and when she tried to explain what he did, people called her a liar and a drama queen - her own step-mother! It's unbelievable. :furious: Now a young woman and her baby are dead and not one law enforcement agency or the military was doing anything to protect her from a creep.

 

[FlowerChild]

I just don't understand why he hasn't been apprehended yet.

If he left Thursday (or earlier - was he seen by anyone Thursday?), is driving his own truck, (as LE now thinks he is), and has cash, (like his bank records and Marie's bank records say he does), and he was headed for Mexico (as someone who held citizenship and was facing the DP would) chances are he is now IN MEXICO - and has been since at least sometime Saturday. He was probably in Mexico before the ink was dry on the arrest warrant. I think he MAY have been in (or very close to) Mexico when his wife alerted authorities that he was gone.

This whole thing has been mishandled by everyone - but PRIMARILY the MILITARY - who did not protect Maria, did not investigate the and did not STOP from running. The military had him RIGHT THERE and couldn't keep from assaulting Maria, they couldn't keep from harassing a pregnant Maria for months, they couldn't charge with ANYTHING or even investigate for MONTHS after Maria pressed rape charges against and even when PRESSED by local LE could not get in to be questioned in Maria's disappearance. They LET him run without a single charge being brought against him. What in this fiasco makes anyone have confidence that they can apprehend him? Heck, the couldn't do anything when HE WAS RIGHT THERE FOR MONTHS!!!

And what is local LE to do? Even the FBI seems at a loss - all because the "officers" on base sat around for MONTHS doing NOTHING while was allowed to harass and continue to make Maria's life a living hell while pregnant with a child of HIS rape - and when they finally DID do something, they failed to PROTECT Maria from him and at the same time, emboldened to take the problem into his own hands and END HER LIFE (and his baby's life) without even so much as a VISIT to his house when she went missing. It's shameful and sad that this was allowed to happen under the NOSES of our military. There is something very, very wrong - the ball wasn't just dropped, it was buried 10 feet under the field by the WHOLE TEAM!

My Opinion

 

[barb0301]

Here's the current Marine reg about dual citizenship and security clearances. Much of this changed with 9/11 I think:

3. FURTHER, INDIVIDUALS WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY NOT
MEET SECURITY CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS, DUE TO POSSIBLE FOREIGN
PREFERENCE ISSUES. DUAL CITIZENSHIP MUST BE REPORTED TO
DONCAF FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROPRIATE ACTION. INDIVIDUALS
WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY ELECT TO RENOUNCE THEIR DUAL
CITIZENSHIP IAW REF A (APPENDIX G), EITHER AT THE TIME OF
SUBMISSION OF THE PERSONNEL SECURITY INVESTIGATION QUESTIONNAIRE OR BY SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE TO DONCAF VIA THE COMMAND SECURITY MANAGER. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT IN PREFERENCE TO A U.S. PASSPORT RAISES DOUBT AS TO WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL'S ALLEGIANCE IS TO THE UNITED STATES. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT ALSO FACILITATES FOREIGN TRAVEL UNVERIFIABLE BY U.S. OFFICIALS. GUIDANCE REGARDING INDIVIDUALS POSSESSING OR USING A FOREIGN PASSPORT AND PROCEDURES TO BE TAKEN, CAN BE FOUND ON THE BELOW NAVY SECURITY WEBSITE.

Many "lower level" workers are now required to have some form of security clearance. Having been impacted by this as a military contractor, it was amazing who had to get one. In this instance, it would depend on what mission the was supporting in his logistics work, etc. With the war going on, I can certainly see him having to have a clearance.

JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Well said, Flowerchild! They dropped and buried the ball underneath her burned body. It is so horrible how this was handled from the onset.

He should have at least been moved to another base, imo, until they could sort out the charges and insure her safety instead of another building!

Great work, Barb!! That is certainly interesting and changes things a bit. He should have been asked to hand over his passport via his attorneys before this all got out of hand while he was supposedly still around.

 

[FlowerChild]

Here's the current Marine reg about dual citizenship and security clearances. Much of this changed with 9/11 I think:

3. FURTHER, INDIVIDUALS WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY NOT
MEET SECURITY CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS, DUE TO POSSIBLE FOREIGN
PREFERENCE ISSUES. DUAL CITIZENSHIP MUST BE REPORTED TO
DONCAF FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROPRIATE ACTION. INDIVIDUALS
WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY ELECT TO RENOUNCE THEIR DUAL
CITIZENSHIP IAW REF A (APPENDIX G), EITHER AT THE TIME OF
SUBMISSION OF THE PERSONNEL SECURITY INVESTIGATION QUESTIONNAIRE OR BY SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE TO DONCAF VIA THE COMMAND SECURITY MANAGER. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT IN PREFERENCE TO A U.S. PASSPORT RAISES DOUBT AS TO WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL'S ALLEGIANCE IS TO THE UNITED STATES. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT ALSO FACILITATES FOREIGN TRAVEL UNVERIFIABLE BY U.S. OFFICIALS. GUIDANCE REGARDING INDIVIDUALS POSSESSING OR USING A FOREIGN PASSPORT AND PROCEDURES TO BE TAKEN, CAN BE FOUND ON THE BELOW NAVY SECURITY WEBSITE.

Many "lower level" workers are now required to have some form of security clearance. Having been impacted by this as a military contractor, it was amazing who had to get one. In this instance, it would depend on what mission the was supporting in his logistics work, etc. With the war going on, I can certainly see him having to have a clearance.

JMO

Well one would THINK that to serve in the US Military a person would be REQUIRED to be a US Citizen - but they are NOT. How does a foreign citizen serving in the US Military get "clearance" that a US citizen holding dual citizenship cannot? is either a citizen of Mexico and is NOT naturalized, is a naturalized US citizen who has renounced his Mexican citizenship OR holds a dual US/Mexican citizenship - but his nationality is designated as "Mexican". Which???

Regardless - Mexico is going to SEE as a Mexican because he was born there - whether he has renounced his Mexican citizenship or not. If is in Mexico they will NOT extradite him to the US until the DP is taken off the table. As far as Mexico is concerned, is MEXICAN 1st and always.

IMO, If they don't find in the next 24 hours, is either in Mexico or dead.


My Opinion

 

[Pharlap]

Send dog after him.
He seems to find ppl that no one else does.....

 

[dimples37398]

Has anyone checked into the witness whom signed the 's marriage certificate. They live NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER>>>>>>>>>>>>

If he knew him good enough in 2005 for him to be a witness on his marriage certificate, then maybe he didnt just loan him that shovel(maybe that was a cover for the neighbor when they found dna on the shovel).

Did he have help digging that hole or have help with getting her or luring her over there?

< AND IS THIS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR THAT LOANED HIM THE SHOVEL?????????????????

....maybe this guy knows something? He might be deployed and not even in the country...but maybe he is.

I don't want to post his name on here in case he has nothing to do with it, or in case he has moved and it isnt showing up.....but .....you can find it on the marriage certificate online on the bottom left of the page....it does look like he and his wife live at

112 meadow trail

RIGHT NEXT DOOR!!!!!!!

the and his wife live at 103 meadow trail

 

[Pharlap]

I believe in one of the news interviews on tv, surrounding neighbors were asked about him...
And had no clue he was like that. If they were telling the truth.don't see why they wouldn't in less they didn't want to get involved....

 

[dimples37398]

I edited my message up there to say that,

if they are still next door neighbors, and he signed the 's marriage certificate in 2005, it seems they would be pretty close to me?

This is just speculation on my part that this is the next door neighbor (if he still lives there) whom let the borrow his shovel.

If they have known each other for 3 years and he signed for him in 05.....

I seen a myspace page for a marine the other day and the opening line of his page next to his photo was.......

Marine Corp....

Death Before Dishonor......

Makes me wonder what they would do for each other if need be.......

 

[Mygirlsadie]

Funny thing about his myspace quote is that he is a big time liar! If he really means death before dishonor then he would be dead! What he did to Maria and her little baby is dishonorable to the fullest if you ask me!

I edited my message up there to say that,

if they are still next door neighbors, and he signed the 's marriage certificate in 2005, it seems they would be pretty close to me?

This is just speculation on my part that this is the next door neighbor (if he still lives there) whom let the borrow his shovel.

If they have known each other for 3 years and he signed for him in 05.....

I seen a myspace page for a marine the other day and the opening line of his page next to his photo was.......

Marine Corp....

Death Before Dishonor......

Makes me wonder what they would do for each other if need be.......

 

[Bobbisangel]

Do they know yet how he got her over to his house? Was her car at his house or somewhere else?

Where was his wife when the murder took place? LE said that there was blood all over the walls and ceiling. Was the wife at home or away visiting someone? When she came home and found the note I would guess that he had already taken off. The note said she committed suicide but anyone with half a brain could look at the frontroom and know that it wasn't a suicide. I wonder if the wife called LE right away? Did the wife know that Maria was pregnant with her husband's child? Did she help him with the murder but her husband is taking the blame by taking off? I really want to know where the wife stands in this horror. Where was she...home or gone?

Sounds like he is headed for Mexico on a bus. Dumped his truck somewhere. I hope they have the borders covered. Wonder if he remembered to take lots of ID with him or he won't even get close to Mexico...that is where his parents live. They don't speak english. I just hope they catch him soon so he can take his punishment and Maria can have justice like she deserves. What a nightmare and no one to look out for her.

It was her adoptive mother that made the comment about her being bi-polar and a liar. That was said on the news.

 

[FlowerChild]

FYI It is about 1530 miles from Jacksonville, NC to Laredo TX - one of several border towns in TX much closer than El Paso. That's about 25 hours driving at 60 MPH without stops except for gas. He left Jacksonville sometime Thurs night (it was before 4AM Fri morning if the wife is to be believed). If he was driving, even if he stopped and slept a few hours, he was in Mexico by sunrise Sunday morning. If he was on a bus, and IF he was in Shreveport Saturday at midnight he could easily have been in Mexico by bus by midnight Sunday - its only 578 miles from Shreveport to Laredo. I don't think he would have gone to El Paso when Laredo, McAllen and Eagle Pass are all closer to Shreveport.

IF was headed to Mexico, he would be there by now. And if he is driving his own vehicle all he had to do was head off into the Texas/Mexico border area on any one of hundreds of dirt roads and drive straight to the border and cross. Border patrol isn't looking for people sneaking INTO Mexico. They won't find his vehicle for days and it may even get stolen before LE can find it.

Otherwise he took a Greyhound bus and A - got off in Laredo or McAllen and walked or rode one of the little tourist trams into Mexico. Or B - took one of the 20 or 30 independent bus company's buses that transport Mexicans legally into and out of the US every day from Shreveport, or Dallas and rode in to Mexico with the other travelers returning from the US. He doesn't need a passport or an ID to get IN to Mexico...just to get back OUT. They barely look at you OR your ID when you enter Mexico from the US and I'll betcha has a Mexican birth certificate - if so, that is ALL HE NEEDS - IF he is asked for any ID at the border at all. He is a native Mexican Spanish speaker - he wouldn't get a second glance riding on one of the Mexican bus lines or walking across at the border on a weekend. He'd blend right in.

LE didn't issue the warrant until Sat AM - could easily have been in Mexico before any BOLO went out nationwide.

 

[barb0301]

I think he's in a border town, waiting until the foot traffic picks up tomorrow morning across the bridges. Then he's just going to walk across the border, happy as a pig in a poke. Foot and vehicle traffic is too quiet on a Sunday night to make it feasible to go tonight. If he's not already crossed, he's holed up, waiting to cross tomorrow in any number of towns and you're right, Laredo and McAllen are good ones. Although, I don't think I'd head to Laredo right now with all the killings and such with drug wars.

 

[peace9274]

News stations this AM are now reporting that there are no confirmed sightings of and that the public has been asked to help locate him.

Also, reports of a press conference at 10:00 AM EST