"Mistatements" and/or Lies by Cindy & George

[JustJax]

You are right! I haven't seen or heard from them lately.

Not since thier little parade to the A homestead and down to crime scene when LE was still processing the site.
Lee did go to inspect the car, but we have not heard from him since his rediculous appearance on the tele where he said that the smell was from rotting garbage.
Now JB did talk about some additional hairs that Lee supposedly found in the car during his inspection but that is the last we heard about his expertise in this case.
I, for one did not trust in any analysis that he had in regard to the car because of his suspect involvement in collecting evidence at the Spector mansion.

 

[LCoastMom]

See, now I have to go back and re think everything they have said. Maybe it was all lies! Maybe they only hopped on board with JH after July 15.
Maybe that will help me reconcile why Cindy, George, and Casey all said June 9. No one said Father's Day. Why? They said they just forgot. I accepted that. I balked at it, but I accepted it. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, considering...now I will go back and try to reconcile all of the little bugaboos that never felt right, set well, sounded correct, or seemed hink-riddled.

In the last LE interview I read one of Cindy's coworkers said they had a bbq planned, a dessert get together thingy planned and a couple of other things planned over a couple of mos, that Jeff had to back out of last minute, each time. (Can you imagine?!!) Then their romance hit the skids and no more talk about Jeff. This was winter 2007-08 IIRC.

The second time my daughter's new beau backs out of a get together (if he wasn't knowledgeable enough to do so the first) I would have him on the phone to politely ask WTHeck. Just common courtesy to apologize to the host/hostess, that so many kids don't even think about anymore.

If he didn't want to speak to me on the phone, safe enough to figure something was up and I wouldn't be making anymore plans for this one!!!

NOT Cindy..... Gotta wonder how many thingy's she would put together for this person to no-show, before she realized he was NEVER gonna show!?

That Father's Day problem, if it was just a date mix up I would understand. But to forget Father's Day? Did that "day" mean so little to them? I don't understand that either....

 

[carrie]

I'm with you on this. Coming late to this thread so I guess it's already been done, the rebuttal, I mean. As if Cindy has a pic of these people but hasn't released it... As if Cindy had contact info for the imaginanny but didn't blast it on her media tours. As if GA wasn't terrified that it was Casey and/or Caylee in the trunk and that CA didn't repeatedly refer to Casey also being missing, including in her 911 call: "I finally found her..." And on and on and on.

As I've said before, Devil's Advocate is a good thing. I do it myself and have had some very interesting and entertaining discussions with other posters with whom I strongly disagreed. However, their logic was sound and points well made so that made it a discussion and entertaining, as well as enlightening at times.

(bolding mine) Did Cindy state that she had a picture of any of these people?

 

[LCoastMom]

It saddens me but the Anthony's have gotten away thus far with all their lies, what is to make them think they have to start telling the truth now?

Because it's long over due?
Because it's the right thing to do?
Because we demand justice for Caylee?

Because they are going to end up in the pokey along side their murderer daughter on contempt or perjury charges?

I don't care why they do it, I just want them to do the right thing for Caylee, they're over-due. They're over-due on doing the right thing for KC too, it's time she learned the hard way, do the crime, do the time...

 

[Steely Dan]

Why didn't CA know where the Grunds lived? Her granddaughter spent a great deal of time there. I just don't get it.

She does know. With all her lies I'm surprised her pants didn't actually catch on fire while she sat there.

All this convoluted conversation gives me a great big headache. It reminds me of that shell con game. The As just keep moving around the cups with the hope that no one will discover where the truth lies.

The problem is that there are so many lies that it's difficult for them to keep up with. Some lies contradict other lies and they are looking worse and worse as this goes on and look for some jail time for CA coming out of this.

 

[carrie]

Sometimes silence is also proof. In the A's case, what ever they were thinking came out to the press. The only clues that I remember CA complaining about LE not following up were some wild around the country clues and I don't think they sent anyone to PR. As my memory serves, they followed up on "sightings" around the country until they were sure they had the killer.

If you remember LE talking to KC saying so far, every lead, every address you have taken us to is a lie. If there were more LE wasn't following up on, I believe both KC and CA would have been screaming bloody he$$ and we would clearly have heard about it. Also KC would have told them in the begining... Oh, wait, I gave Mom an address book with ZFG's phone numbers and addresses, lets check on those. I do believe someone one at one of those addresses would have remembered a tall, beautiful 10 living next door.

So, in your opinion, their silence on the matter indicates they are lying?
You could be right.

I am quite sure KC was lying. LE has proved that. Her leads/addresses were all false/lies, as you say, which is why I didn't think LE would bother to check any addresses or numbers CA gave them that came from KC. If, in fact, she gave them any, we have know way of knowing for sure at this point.

As for Cindy, I'm not convinced she's lying. I'm not convinced she's not either, but I lean that way. I think it's possible she so desperately wants to believe that KC did not kill Caylee that she is blinded to the truth.

For the record: I don't think there's a nanny and haven't thought so since the very first polite report!

BTW- another poster mentions he/she thought Cindy says later in the depo that she gave them to JB. Going to go check that out and see.

 

[LCoastMom]

(bolding mine) Did Cindy state that she had a picture of any of these people?

She claims to have a picture of Jeff and Zack. Problem being if she releases it, whoever it really is in that picture will come forward.

What else does she have left? why has it not dawned on her if Jeff and Zack really existed, where are they? Why hasn't he come forward to clear this up?

ETA She said she saw a picture of Zack and Jeff at Universal, not has a pick of them, my bad.

 

[carrie]

Here you go LL:

http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

Q So this isn't somebody that if something had
13 happened to either yourself or your husband that you had
14 a method of reaching out and get ahold of this --
15 A Actually, I had phone numbers for Zanny at
16 different times and I had addresses at different times.
17 Q Why don't you tell me the phone number.
18 A I don't have it now.
19 Q Where is it?
20 A I -- I don't have it now.
21 Q Where would it have been?
22 A Would have been in an address book, something
23 that Casey had or I had.
24 Q So when you say you had -- let me get this
25 straight. You had addresses and phone numbers of Zanny,
>Rough Draft - 23
1 and Zanny is -- your understanding -- when you're saying
2 Zanny, I want to make sure, Zanny is the person that you
3 were saying was watching --
4 A Casey always gave me a phone number, yes.
5 Q And these phone numbers, you're saying they
6 are in existence and you've written them down somewhere
7 in an address book and they're out there somewhere to be
8 found; is that right?
9 A I gave all that to the sheriff's department.
10 Q So then the sheriff's department will have all
11 that?
12 A I gave it all to the sheriff's department.

pg 19 (cont 20,21) Cindy Anthony


21 Q And once again, as far as the phone number and
22 how to get ahold of her or address, that would have been
23 all information that had been given to you by Casey and
24 you say you've turned all that over?
25 A Right. Casey would give me a new phone number
>Rough Draft - 29
1 for Zanny probably every three months because she said
2 the girl changed her phone number almost like she changed
3 her address.

pg 24


25 give those addresses to Dominic Casey, the Zenaida
>Rough Draft - 89
1 Gonzalez information?
2 A No, I didn't.
3 Q Why not?
4 A Because I gave them to José Baez when I had
5 them.
6 Q And is it your understanding that José Baez --
7 do you know what he did with them?
8 A I have no idea. And I know Dominic was
9 working for him when I gave them to him.

pg 75 Cindy Anthony depo 4/9

Respectfully, I'd like to point out that this does not necessarily constitute a lie. Just because she gave them to Baez doesn't mean she couldn't have given them to LE too. She could have written them down for Baez before she gave them to LE.

She's saying that she had no need to give them to DC as he was working for Baez and she'd already given them to Baez.

So she didn't necessarily contradict herself. Don't know whether she's being truthful or not - - -just saying. JMHO

 

[carrie]

She claims to have a picture of Jeff and Zack. Problem being if she releases it, whoever it really is in that picture will come forward.

What else does she have left? why has it not dawned on her if Jeff and Zack really existed, where are they? Why hasn't he come forward to clear this up?

Do you happen to know/remember when she stated this? If you could tell me the general document/video/conversation etc. I can look it up. (Don't expect you to have the exact page off the top of your head-lol.

Thanks in advance.

 

[RR0004]

Respectfully, I'd like to point out that this does not necessarily constitute a lie. Just because she gave them to Baez doesn't mean she couldn't have given them to LE too. She could have written them down for Baez before she gave them to LE.

She's saying that she had no need to give them to DC as he was working for Baez and she'd already given them to Baez.

So she didn't necessarily contradict herself. Don't know whether she's being truthful or not - - -just saying. JMHO

All I can say is...those addresses would have come in mighty handy when she instructed the public to get off their a$$es and go look for her!!

 

[RR0004]

Do you happen to know/remember when she stated this? If you could tell me the general document/video/conversation etc. I can look it up. (Don't expect you to have the exact page off the top of your head-lol.

Thanks in advance.

In the deposition...somewhere. LOL

 

[Americka]

Do you happen to know/remember when she stated this? If you could tell me the general document/video/conversation etc. I can look it up. (Don't expect you to have the exact page off the top of your head-lol.

Thanks in advance.

Hope this helps....It was on page 18 of Cindy's deposition.

A I'm not sure at the time if I could have
21 gotten ahold of the Grunds without contacting Casey. You
22 know, there was other people. I saw pictures of Jeffrey
23 Hopkins. The other gentleman that Zenaida watched, Zanny
24 watched, her son Zachary, I saw a picture of Zachary and
25 Jeff. I could pick them out because I saw pictures of
>Rough Draft - 22
1 them.
2 Q Have you ever seen a picture of Zanny?
3 A No, I haven't.
4 Q Now, I wanted to clarify --
5 A But I have a picture in my head from
6 descriptions from the last two and a half years.

 

[LCoastMom]

pg 25 cindy anthony depo 4/9

first met Jeff, she was working for -- I believe she was
>Rough Draft - 30
1 still working for Colorvision or Kodak, one of them, I
2 don't know when they changed hands, and Jeffrey was a IT
3 tech at Universal.
4 Q Okay.
5 A And that's when I saw his picture and
6 Zachary's picture.
7 Q Now, where is Jeffrey Hopkins today?
8 A I have no idea.
9 Q Now, the information that Zanny was the
10 ex-girlfriend or girlfriend of Jeffrey Hopkins came you
11 to by Jeffrey Hopkins?
12 A No, I never met him.
13 Q How did you get that information --
14 A From Casey.

 

[JustJax]

I tried really hard to go through all of CA's testimony and just use her own words to show her deceipt, good lord knows how long this will be in the end, esp. if I go back through all the media and cross reference all her statements...I have a lifetime of work ahead of me!

Like I said on the mistatments thread, we could be here till kingdome come listing the deception.
Cindy has her own recording of the whole event.
I am curious if she sees that they looked like the fools that we all observed.

I have been back and forth with my sympathy with them. At this point I can no longer say that I have any faith that they have justice in thier hearts. They are in conflict with the concept because of all of thier actions since November, thier association with Kidfinders,( Wish they had Sund Carrington in FLA) and just the fact that they have a new found celebrity, as macabre as it may be.
They have been flown coast to coast, chaufered, wined and dined and stayed in 4 star hotels, eating crab puffs and sliced steak.
Of course I would never trade all that for the life of my precious grandaughter, as I am sure they, but I would surely never participate in this travesty of injustice no matter what the cost. And neither of them has worked since July. The house should have been forclosed upon at least 3 or 4 months ago.
I love my children with my life, but I would never stand by and lie just so she may walk free. No death penaly on the table here.
Mark Hacking's brother and family did right by Lori's poor soul. Why can't they do right by this poor beautiful child????

 

[USARDOG]

Carrie, I'm sorry, I don't believe a word that comes out of the woman's mouth. It is easy to see how KC ended up the way she is, having to deal with this woman all her life. I find so little she says in the entire depo plausible, almost nothing sounds like truth to me, except her anger which is very real.

For instance, she said she saw pictures of Jeff and Zac,
A. I doubt it,
B. If she did, she now knows that Jeff isn't married and doesn't have children so... To be honest she should have said; KC showed me pictures, she told me they were of Jeff and Zac. I now know Jeff doesn't have children, so I don't know who they were of.

CA is very much like KC in that she spins things how ever she feels like it. She sees what ever comes out of her mouth as the present "truth," or she is justified in saying anything because every one is against her and her little girl, KC so therefore CA might say; "Truth, you can't handle the truth!!!"

 

[LambChop]

So if the Jeff M. H with the son Zack who KC said worked at Universal and Universal Studios is stating there is no JMH who has worked for them just the Jeff H that KC went to school with, does that mean Universal Studios is also part of this big hide the Nanny conspiracy???? How can CA believe this one?

If they put CA on the stand at KC trial I think the first thing SA should ask her is, do you love your daughter? The answer would be yes. Would you do anything for her, simple yes or no answer, please? She has to answer yes. Now catch her in a lie and CA is toast.

 

[Valhall]

I believe, if LE really wants to play hardball with these people for the intent of getting them to pull their heads out their butts, they should get a subpoena forcing CA to produce the following:

1. All addresses and phone numbers for Zani that KC provided CA in the past.
2. The picture of JH and his imaginary son Zachary.

And then throw her backside in jail if she:

a. Refuses
b. Claims she doesn't know where they are
c. Claims she gave them to JB during an active murder investigation without providing copies to LE and now "they're gone".

I really truly believe that's what needs to happen.

 

[Sunshine52]

I have not read through this entire thread and don't know if this has been brought up but in Cindy's deposition on page 129...talking about DC in the woods...

A That would be an ongoing investigation.
2 Q But just a hypothetical then --
3 A I don't do hypotheticals, sir. You can ask me
4 a question that I can actually answer and I'll answer.
5 Q The question is if it wasn't the psychic --
6 A He didn't find Caylee that day so obviously,


Does this mean he found her on one of the other days???

 

[LambChop]

Scents come out different places, depending on where holes are, or leaks in gaskets, that they can get out, and depending on which way air currents are moving through the building. I have had my dog alert on a wall opposite where the sent was coming from, only to work his way back around the room to the correct place. This was because of the air currents in the room.

It really means very little, it's just the way a dog will work the scent cone.

I believe, if LE really wants to play hardball with these people for the intent of getting them to pull their heads out their butts, they should get a subpoena forcing CA to produce the following:

1. All addresses and phone numbers for Zani that KC provided CA in the past.
2. The picture of JH and his imaginary son Zachary.

And then throw her backside in jail if she:

a. Refuses
b. Claims she doesn't know where they are
c. Claims she gave them to JB during an active murder investigation without providing copies to LE and now "they're gone".
I really truly believe that's what needs to happen.

Maybe the picture of Jeff and Zack was in KC's pants that were left in the car, the ones CA washed??? Just sayin.

 

[Ada]

Maybe the picture of Jeff and Zack was in KC's pants that were left in the car, the ones CA washed??? Just sayin.

Or the old tried and true, "the dog ate it."