"Mistatements" and/or Lies by Cindy & George

[LCoastMom]

Here's what jumped out to me about Cindy's deposition. She listed all these people that watched Caylee. Every single one of the people she mentioned she had at least seen- albeit, she did not have numbers or address for them. Then she gets to Zanny- hasn't seen her but has all these numbers for her. I think that information was very telling.

George's "ignorance" to what had happened in that house is just unbelievable. Including the new "kidnapping" story. He said he had NOT heard that story. What? It was in LA testimony. AND WHY didn't they ask Cindy that question? Or did they and I missed it?

Here's how it works, George goes to work, goes home on the way up the walk between the car and the house, George enters another dimension. He walks straight into the Twilight Zone.

There's no other explanation, how he can be in that house all those hours week in, week out. And still know NOTHING!! Lucky for him, Cindy knows everything, sadly she has a brain disorder so she remembers nothing of help to darling Caylee. Likewise she's not helping KC the way she thinks she is either.

 

[LCoastMom]

Thanks for the correction, especially as it seems to indicate martyrmom's remark was even more specious, imo. I don't really believe KC began this plan two years ago while at Kodak that she would claim JH is paying a sitter for his son and for Caylee, etc. etc., prior even to Caylee's birth. So if CA is only claiming she saw a pic two years ago, not more recently, such as when Caylee was with the imaginanny and with her imaginary playmate, Zach; in the home of KC's imaginary boyfriend; how much do you want to bet that KC never showed her any pics but instead, CA is adding detail to KC's lies?

Do I hear 14 cents and a steak sandwich?

PS: How old was Zach? Was he even born when CA was supposedly looking at his pic? I thought he and Caylee were the same age and KC didn't go back to Kodak after maternity leave.

Where did LE find tax records showing she worked through Q1 2006? She wasn't working at Sports Authority, like she let everyone think.

If not Kodak/Color Vision where else did she work Q1 2006?

I believe Jeff/Zack became part of the story the same time as Zany. So you're right, that picture at Kodak never happened when KC was working there.

Telling lies, telling lies, telling sweet little lies....

 

[lin]

Most people, I think, would have simply said "That term is very painful for me to hear. Could I ask that use a different one?". We'd realize the person speaking had no way of reading our mind and knowing a certain word bothered us.

But I'm seeing an awful lot of paranoia and perceived persecution in George. To him, everything, even the attorney adjusting his glasses, is a deliberate, malicious act targetting him personally.

Why does George think everyone is 'out to get him'?

You may be correct but I thought it was all deliberate and planned, rather than an emotional or uncontrolled response. It appeared to me that both G and C wanted to fight and wanted to find fault with the opposing attorneys. They wanted to be picked on, so to speak, and were trying to fulfill that prophecy but the Morgan team just wouldn't cooperate.

 

[carrie]

I think George is basically, shall we say, lacking in the intelligence department...and so, when he forgot what Cindy told him to answer for certain questions, he would say "I don't know" or "I won't answer that".

Didn't I read that the A's got interogatories (questions to be asked) ahead of time?

It seemed to me, at least partly, that he said he didn't know or refused to answer because he thought they had no right to ask AND/OR he was worried about how his answers would play out in KC's criminal trial.

 

[carrie]

KC and Cindy are big on details, the more details they give, the better chance they have of convincing the listener they just heard or remembered wrong. Notice there was no explanation about Jeff being a different Jeff. Just details. Like science. Something for them to manipulate.

Here's my theory about Jeff, for what it's worth! :crazy:

If it is true that Cindy is all about appearance, as much as she loves Caylee, KC's unwed pregnancy was a blow to how Cindy wants her family viewed by the (her) world. Which is probably why Cindy was blind to the pregnancy while it was was completely obvious to everyone else.

Cindy's hatred for Jesse started when he insisted on the paternity test, it exploded in Cindy's head when it came back proving Jesse wasn't Caylee's father, their engagement didn't cool Cindy's anger in the least. Every time she saw him she saw the results of the paternity test that he insisted on taking, it was all his fault and till the end of time Jesse can never make up for the embarrassment to her family. Cindy had no problem with KC & Jes breaking their engagement, KC and Caylee deserve better. (In Cindy's mind)

KC could never have been honest with Cindy about her "dating" practices, in Cindy's mind KC didn't need to be dating, she had a toddler who needed her mommy. If a good husband dropped out of the sky to make a nice little family better yet. Enter Jeff and his son Zack. A young man raising his son alone was heaven sent. The long distance relationship was OK with Cindy, it slowed things down and kept Caylee home with Cindy where she belonged for that much longer, while KC and Jeff figured things out.

Having Jeff in Jville worked for KC because it gave her someplace "respectable" to go with or without Caylee that Cindy never questioned, anytime she wanted to spend a couple days with friends. Jeff's mom was a built in babysitter and Zack was a built in playmate for Caylee's enjoyment. In reality we know KC didn't worry about playmates or babysitters for Caylee, Caylee got dragged where mommy wanted to go. Caylee stayed where her mommy told her to stay.

Cindy probably gave KC more leeway to hang out with girlfriends while she and Jeff were "an item" too. Since KC had this nice respectable boyfriend, if she went out with the girls, there would be "nothing funny going on" for Cindy to worry about.

Eventually it became more effort for KC than it was worth, with Cindy setting up BBQ's, dessert nites and such, so she could get to know Jeff and Zack. After a few months KC told her it was over. My guess is KC still pulled Jeff out of mothballs occasionally, when KC wanted to do something without any hassles from Cindy.

Jeff was nothing more than an extension of Zany the nanny. He was a picture of how Cindy thought KC should live her life. While in reality he was the rose colored glasses KC gave to Cindy so she could go out and live the life she wanted. Any discrepancies in KC's stories are easily over looked by Cindy, who only see's what she wants to see anyway.

WOW! I'm impressed. It makes perfect sense. Good job.

Funny what you said about details and people using them to make a lie seem more believable. I recently read a novel entitled, You've been warned. By James patterson I think - don't quote me on that.

Anyway, in the novel the rich villian would always lie with trivial details added in to seem more truthful. He said throughout the novel, "God is in the details." In the end he was a planning a murder and his alibi contain a similar detail he set up concerning a brand of ice cream in his fridge. . . Great theory.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

And then they wonder why we are all upset at the family....... There is no one in that family fighting for justice! They want to continue lying for KC and guess what if she ends up getting out, she will continue to lie, cheat and steal. If she got away with it before who says she will not continue with it. :behindbar

If by some MIRACLE she does get out, I can only pray that she would get a tubal ligation before the first nightfall.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

So, my question still is then, if the dog started at the drivers door, moved counterclockwise, why did it pass by the left and center of the trunk before alerting to the passenger or right side of the trunk? This is very important, I'm sure.

Maybe because that's where the fluids were leaking of the whatever container it was in at the time.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

I do not feel that what GA said about the decomp. smell in the car was a mistruth. As a former police officer he is very much aware of that odor and it is not something you would ever forget. The fact that he became physically ill while giving his statement to LE about the smell confirms he knew that human remains were in the trunk of that car.

Does anyone here know if the decomp smell given off by a dead body is the same as the smell given off by gangrenous human tissue? I know someone whose leg was amputated in 1997 below the knee and it became gangrenous. They had to go back 6 weeks later and amputate it above the knee. I changed a bandage on it once during that point (and I think it was only the ACE bandage, not what was underneath it), and it was, bar NONE, the absolute WORST smell I had ever encountered in my entire life; it was ALL I could do not to reflexively vomit. It took maybe up to a month until I was able to control my vomiting reflex just at the memory of it because it was THAT bad and THAT pungent.

I couldn't conjure up that smell from memory today (thank GOD), but if I were to smell it again, I feel certain I would INSTANTLY recognize it.

 

[shgrbkr]

There is no respect left in him or for him...he told the FBI and LE that he smelled decomposition in the trunk of the car; later, on Larry King, he states to the entire media that it was rotting pizza/garbage.

All morals have left him. I am assuming he had them....could be wrong.

bolded by me

I suspect his morals are under lock and key with his ba!!s. I'll give you one guess as to who keeps the key.....

 

[shgrbkr]

Does anyone here know if the decomp smell given off by a dead body is the same as the smell given off by gangrenous human tissue? I know someone whose leg was amputated in 1997 below the knee and it became gangrenous. They had to go back 6 weeks later and amputate it above the knee. I changed a bandage on it once during that point (and I think it was only the ACE bandage, not what was underneath it), and it was, bar NONE, the absolute WORST smell I had ever encountered in my entire life; it was ALL I could do not to reflexively vomit. It took maybe up to a month until I was able to control my vomiting reflex just at the memory of it because it was THAT bad and THAT pungent.

I couldn't conjure up that smell from memory today (thank GOD), but if I were to smell it again, I feel certain I would INSTANTLY recognize it.

Though I may not be the exact one to answer your question, I will take a stab at it and say yes, it must be very similar. Rotting human flesh is rotting human flesh. I was working in the ER one night, they brought in a woman who had been "stuck in a chair" for quite some time. She was diabetic, poor thing, and her legs had begun to rot. I smelled it when they opened the outside door to roll the stretcher in, and you could smell it all over the ER even though she was in a room at the end of the hall with the door closed. I felt so sorry for her--she was SO sick and had no idea. She just hated going to the doctor. Anyway, I believe it would be the same.

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Be sure to put in the ad it's about this case. You'll surely get a lot of calls from folks that 'just want to help' and will do so pro bono.

And Jeff H will probably volunteer to pay for it.

 

[Valhall]

I'm too burned out listening to the depos to look this up, but did Casey ever actually mention Zanny's straight teeth?" Purely from memory I thought she said Zanny had curly hair which she straightened. Does anyone recall for certain a mention of her teeth by Casey?

I have not been able to find anything in prior interviews (although I can't claim I have finished all of them yet). The interesting point on this is in the 07/31/08 interview between FBI and CA when they ask what KC's most distinguishing feature is and CA centers on KC's smile. The FBI agent asked what KC thinks of her own smile and even asks "she knows it works for her?" And CA responds, "she know it works for her."

 

[Patty G]

I'm too burned out listening to the depos to look this up, but did Casey ever actually mention Zanny's straight teeth?" Purely from memory I thought she said Zanny had curly hair which she straightened. Does anyone recall for certain a mention of her teeth by Casey?

Casey's Original Statement

 

[LancelotLink]

I have not been able to find anything in prior interviews (although I can't claim I have finished all of them yet). The interesting point on this is in the 07/31/08 interview between FBI and CA when they ask what KC's most distinguishing feature is and CA centers on KC's smile. The FBI agent asked what KC thinks of her own smile and even asks "she knows it works for her?" And CA responds, "she know it works for her."

I wondered if they were really describing Casey. Would help explain the weight fluctuation...

 

[LancelotLink]

Be sure to put in the ad it's about this case. You'll surely get a lot of calls from folks that 'just want to help' and will do so pro bono.

Yeah, HAHA~!~~Funny how the word pro bono gives me hives any more...I would end up with 16 throw away phones, my house bugged, psychics crawling out of the woodwork, dowsers to find stuff, what a circus.
Better yet, I'll place the ad here at WS. That way some poor unsuspecting stranger off the street won't become alarmed when they realize what a nutbag I am! LOL

 

[Valhall]

On August 7th, Mark Fuhrman met with OCSO and shared information CA and GA had shared with him in a previous meeting. He stated that CA and GA told him that CA and KC had an argument on June 15th or 16th. The significance of this is that by this time CA and GA had been questioned by both the FBI and OCSO and had not shared this information in either interview. Now CA outright states her and KC had no argument prior to KC disappearing on the 16th.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony pgs 2451-2500 f.pdf

page 49 of the pdf.

 

[ThoughtElf]

KC and Cindy are big on details, the more details they give, the better chance they have of convincing the listener they just heard or remembered wrong. Notice there was no explanation about Jeff being a different Jeff. Just details. Like science. Something for them to manipulate.

Here's my theory about Jeff, for what it's worth! :crazy:

If it is true that Cindy is all about appearance, as much as she loves Caylee, KC's unwed pregnancy was a blow to how Cindy wants her family viewed by the (her) world. Which is probably why Cindy was blind to the pregnancy while it was was completely obvious to everyone else.

Cindy's hatred for Jesse started when he insisted on the paternity test, it exploded in Cindy's head when it came back proving Jesse wasn't Caylee's father, their engagement didn't cool Cindy's anger in the least. Every time she saw him she saw the results of the paternity test that he insisted on taking, it was all his fault and till the end of time Jesse can never make up for the embarrassment to her family. Cindy had no problem with KC & Jes breaking their engagement, KC and Caylee deserve better. (In Cindy's mind)

KC could never have been honest with Cindy about her "dating" practices, in Cindy's mind KC didn't need to be dating, she had a toddler who needed her mommy. If a good husband dropped out of the sky to make a nice little family better yet. Enter Jeff and his son Zack. A young man raising his son alone was heaven sent. The long distance relationship was OK with Cindy, it slowed things down and kept Caylee home with Cindy where she belonged for that much longer, while KC and Jeff figured things out.

Having Jeff in Jville worked for KC because it gave her someplace "respectable" to go with or without Caylee that Cindy never questioned, anytime she wanted to spend a couple days with friends. Jeff's mom was a built in babysitter and Zack was a built in playmate for Caylee's enjoyment. In reality we know KC didn't worry about playmates or babysitters for Caylee, Caylee got dragged where mommy wanted to go. Caylee stayed where her mommy told her to stay.

Cindy probably gave KC more leeway to hang out with girlfriends while she and Jeff were "an item" too. Since KC had this nice respectable boyfriend, if she went out with the girls, there would be "nothing funny going on" for Cindy to worry about.

Eventually it became more effort for KC than it was worth, with Cindy setting up BBQ's, dessert nites and such, so she could get to know Jeff and Zack. After a few months KC told her it was over. My guess is KC still pulled Jeff out of mothballs occasionally, when KC wanted to do something without any hassles from Cindy.

Jeff was nothing more than an extension of Zany the nanny. He was a picture of how Cindy thought KC should live her life. While in reality he was the rose colored glasses KC gave to Cindy so she could go out and live the life she wanted. Any discrepancies in KC's stories are easily over looked by Cindy, who only see's what she wants to see anyway.

MMB,

This is an excellent post. The reasoning makes solid sense on both Cindy's resentment of RG and on her 'acceptance' of Jeff.

Nicely done.

 

[Steely Dan]

KC and Cindy are big on details, the more details they give, the better chance they have of convincing the listener they just heard or remembered wrong. Notice there was no explanation about Jeff being a different Jeff. Just details. Like science. Something for them to manipulate.

Here's my theory about Jeff, for what it's worth! :crazy:

If it is true that Cindy is all about appearance, as much as she loves Caylee, KC's unwed pregnancy was a blow to how Cindy wants her family viewed by the (her) world. Which is probably why Cindy was blind to the pregnancy while it was was completely obvious to everyone else.

Cindy's hatred for Jesse started when he insisted on the paternity test, it exploded in Cindy's head when it came back proving Jesse wasn't Caylee's father, their engagement didn't cool Cindy's anger in the least. Every time she saw him she saw the results of the paternity test that he insisted on taking, it was all his fault and till the end of time Jesse can never make up for the embarrassment to her family. Cindy had no problem with KC & Jes breaking their engagement, KC and Caylee deserve better. (In Cindy's mind)

KC could never have been honest with Cindy about her "dating" practices, in Cindy's mind KC didn't need to be dating, she had a toddler who needed her mommy. If a good husband dropped out of the sky to make a nice little family better yet. Enter Jeff and his son Zack. A young man raising his son alone was heaven sent. The long distance relationship was OK with Cindy, it slowed things down and kept Caylee home with Cindy where she belonged for that much longer, while KC and Jeff figured things out.

Having Jeff in Jville worked for KC because it gave her someplace "respectable" to go with or without Caylee that Cindy never questioned, anytime she wanted to spend a couple days with friends. Jeff's mom was a built in babysitter and Zack was a built in playmate for Caylee's enjoyment. In reality we know KC didn't worry about playmates or babysitters for Caylee, Caylee got dragged where mommy wanted to go. Caylee stayed where her mommy told her to stay.

Cindy probably gave KC more leeway to hang out with girlfriends while she and Jeff were "an item" too. Since KC had this nice respectable boyfriend, if she went out with the girls, there would be "nothing funny going on" for Cindy to worry about.

Eventually it became more effort for KC than it was worth, with Cindy setting up BBQ's, dessert nites and such, so she could get to know Jeff and Zack. After a few months KC told her it was over. My guess is KC still pulled Jeff out of mothballs occasionally, when KC wanted to do something without any hassles from Cindy.

Jeff was nothing more than an extension of Zany the nanny. He was a picture of how Cindy thought KC should live her life. While in reality he was the rose colored glasses KC gave to Cindy so she could go out and live the life she wanted. Any discrepancies in KC's stories are easily over looked by Cindy, who only see's what she wants to see anyway.

That is one of the best posts I've ever read on this board. When I finished reading it I thought that it encapsulated the situation very well.

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Here's how it works, George goes to work, goes home on the way up the walk between the car and the house, George enters another dimension. He walks straight into the Twilight Zone.

There's no other explanation, how he can be in that house all those hours week in, week out. And still know NOTHING!! Lucky for him, Cindy knows everything, sadly she has a brain disorder so she remembers nothing of help to darling Caylee. Likewise she's not helping KC the way she thinks she is either.

Kinda like this.

If by some MIRACLE she does get out, I can only pray that she would get a tubal ligation before the first nightfall.

If she does get out she'll have to change her name and skeedattle ASAP to another country! :loser:

 

[shgrbkr]

KC and Cindy are big on details, the more details they give, the better chance they have of convincing the listener they just heard or remembered wrong. Notice there was no explanation about Jeff being a different Jeff. Just details. Like science. Something for them to manipulate.

Here's my theory about Jeff, for what it's worth! :crazy:

If it is true that Cindy is all about appearance, as much as she loves Caylee, KC's unwed pregnancy was a blow to how Cindy wants her family viewed by the (her) world. Which is probably why Cindy was blind to the pregnancy while it was was completely obvious to everyone else.

Cindy's hatred for Jesse started when he insisted on the paternity test, it exploded in Cindy's head when it came back proving Jesse wasn't Caylee's father, their engagement didn't cool Cindy's anger in the least. Every time she saw him she saw the results of the paternity test that he insisted on taking, it was all his fault and till the end of time Jesse can never make up for the embarrassment to her family. Cindy had no problem with KC & Jes breaking their engagement, KC and Caylee deserve better. (In Cindy's mind)

KC could never have been honest with Cindy about her "dating" practices, in Cindy's mind KC didn't need to be dating, she had a toddler who needed her mommy. If a good husband dropped out of the sky to make a nice little family better yet. Enter Jeff and his son Zack. A young man raising his son alone was heaven sent. The long distance relationship was OK with Cindy, it slowed things down and kept Caylee home with Cindy where she belonged for that much longer, while KC and Jeff figured things out.

Having Jeff in Jville worked for KC because it gave her someplace "respectable" to go with or without Caylee that Cindy never questioned, anytime she wanted to spend a couple days with friends. Jeff's mom was a built in babysitter and Zack was a built in playmate for Caylee's enjoyment. In reality we know KC didn't worry about playmates or babysitters for Caylee, Caylee got dragged where mommy wanted to go. Caylee stayed where her mommy told her to stay.

Cindy probably gave KC more leeway to hang out with girlfriends while she and Jeff were "an item" too. Since KC had this nice respectable boyfriend, if she went out with the girls, there would be "nothing funny going on" for Cindy to worry about.

Eventually it became more effort for KC than it was worth, with Cindy setting up BBQ's, dessert nites and such, so she could get to know Jeff and Zack. After a few months KC told her it was over. My guess is KC still pulled Jeff out of mothballs occasionally, when KC wanted to do something without any hassles from Cindy.

Jeff was nothing more than an extension of Zany the nanny. He was a picture of how Cindy thought KC should live her life. While in reality he was the rose colored glasses KC gave to Cindy so she could go out and live the life she wanted. Any discrepancies in KC's stories are easily over looked by Cindy, who only see's what she wants to see anyway.

Great theory. Agree it's very likely this is exactly what happened.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

You are correct. There is no privilege between the Anthonys and DC, at all. Even if there might have been a potential civil suit against them or potential criminal charges against them. It's called the attorney-client privilege not the regular people-PI privilege!

Thank you, SoCalSleuth! I hope JM goes before the judge and has him order them then to answer. What on earth is with BC going along with this? Is this many an attorney or not?