"Mistatements" and/or Lies by Cindy & George

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Amen!!!

The worst thing that can happen to Cindy, on this earth, is for this trial to be over and done with... for Casey to be in jail... sentenced to LWOP or death... and for the media/public to forget that she ever existed.

I can only speak for myself, but the only reason I even tune in to watch anything they (the Anthony's) say is because I am keeping track of their lies leading up to trial. Unfortunately, this trial has lingered on a lot longer than I thought it would. Once the trial is over with... I will have no reason to give them another thought.

Sure, they'll write their books... They may even get their little "Movie of the Week", but it will be no blockbuster deal for them... publishers/producers are not going to invest a lot of money into something they know they can not sell... and I really believe that anything the Anthony's put out there will NOT sell... I'm talking blockbuster money where everyone makes money!

This is not FACT... It is just something that I am assuming that has happened based on this Jim character being attached to the Anthony's hips.

I personally believe that this Jim character has secured the "rights" to the Anthony story... He more than likely paid an "up-front" fee... which, I believe is probably no more than $100,000... I would even make a guess that it was $50,000. The deal would also include a percentage once the story was sold to a network... which could be between $50,000 - to hundreds of thousands of dollars... then a percentage of other future earnings (DVD's?). I have been paying attention to the sales (film and television) and it has not been picked up by a network that I know of... I guess they could have snuck it in there, but I think I would have been able to tell if they did... It would have been put under "Untitled Jim L. project" or "Untitled Anthony project" by Jim L. Anyways...

I know it sounds like a lot of money... and some of you are probably spitting nails right now, but with a deal like this... it's a huge risk for all involved. A network is going to have to pick it up... there is NO WAY that a studio would touch this so I won't even get into that. The network has to have financial backing for the project... the people who are financially backing the product want to know that they will not only get their money back, but make a profit. It will be interesting to see if a network will attach themselves to the project? I would think that a network would be much more interested in securing the rights to any "books" written by the detectives in this case... even jurors and adapting them into films with their own screenwriters.

I guess Jim could find a way to get financial backing (maybe?) and make a "straight-to-DVD" movie... but, I would venture to guess that it would not sell more than 50,000 copies (I'm being very generous with starting out at 50,000 people).

Again... this is not based on any FACTS... Just an assumption... I have no way to know if Jim L. has secured the any rights, etc...

Also, anyone can write a "book" or "screenplay" about this case. The Anthony's have "privacy rights"... but anything that is in the public domain is fair game... You can't blatantly make things up about them or use confidential information that is not publicly available. Other than that, Freedom of Speech protects anyone from writing their own story... anyone on this forum could write a book about their own personal experience with this case. From the moment Caylee was reported missing, to the moment you first seen Cindy Anthony on television (what she said, how she acted, etc...), to seeing Casey strut into the court room for her first appearance... and so on and the Anthony's can not do anything about it.

I think that we, the public, will have a huge say in how far the Anthony's can go with their story and again... I can only speak for myself, but anything they do once this trial is over with... will be 100% ignored by me. I can only hope that other people will follow. That, in my opinion, would punish the Anthony's more than Law Enforcement ever could.

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I agree. I think stalling the trial will hurt any books,movies,etc..They have waited so long many people are no longer interested.I wouldnt spend a dime or waste my time watching anything after the trial,oh might watch her go into Lowell if they show that.Now thats a place to read up on.:woohoo:
 
I wonder if CA even realizes how bad she has hurt her daughters chances all because of what she has put out there all on her own!!!! No wonder KC can't look at her. She know's she said way too much. I'm glad she did or we wouldn't know as much as we do . If she does it again she is totally dimented!!!!!!!!!

bbm
IMO and in one single word....NO.
 
I wonder if CA even realizes how bad she has hurt her daughters chances all because of what she has put out there all on her own!!!! No wonder KC can't look at her. She know's she said way too much. I'm glad she did or we wouldn't know as much as we do . If she does it again she is totally dimented!!!!!!!!!

bbm
IMO and in one single word....NO.

I still wonder if she's done it on purpose, to make sure that KC is convicted.

<ducking and running now>
 
I still wonder if she's done it on purpose, to make sure that KC is convicted.

<ducking and running now>

No, no running and ducking necessary because I've wondered the same thing off and on. I think CA has a passive aggressive style - under that public supportive face CA puts on - is there a boiling pot of hate against ICA for taking her precious Caylee away from her.

I'll even raise you one, lisalei321 - lol - I've wondered also if CA needs a guilty decision from a jury and a judge to free her from ICA ( and a decision she doesn't seem capable of making on her own) and allow her to express just how angry at ICA she really is.

Running.......Ducking........:truce:
 
I still wonder if she's done it on purpose, to make sure that KC is convicted.

<ducking and running now>

No need to duck and run lisalei. :hug:
You are not alone, there are others here who share your thoughts even though I am not one of them. But it's all good.
IMO, yes, I believe Cindy thinks she is helping Casey.
She is on Save Casey mode and probably sees nothing wrong with or refuses to acknowledge that what she says and does not help Casey.
 
I'd have more respect for CA had she went to ICA and begged her to tell the truth. Instead, she plays into her daughters hand, thinking it's all for good cause. This family has been between a rock and hard place since the first 911 was made, probably way before Caylee was born. CA must realize she's raised an unempathetic child, has shown no concern from the start and is now backpeddling to save her life. Little does she realize ICA and ONLY ICA can do that. Seems to me, she's the adamant one, who has her defense team in a tizzy...that last hearing when the defense cited a case that hasn't even been ruled on as yet, IMO was something ICA found during her law library visits. It fell to the wayside, as all of her demands have. I find it curious and wish I were a fly on the wall when Baez meets with her..did he get to see her temper? Did he get to see her throw a tantrum? I wonder what he really thinks about her guilt or (ahem) innocence?

I just can't wait for May 2011...JMHO


Justice for Caylee
 
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I agree. I think stalling the trial will hurt any books,movies,etc..They have waited so long many people are no longer interested.I wouldnt spend a dime or waste my time watching anything after the trial,oh might watch her go into Lowell if they show that.Now thats a place to read up on.:woohoo:

Bolding by me....

I so agree w/you. I think the defense team has stretched this case out so long that many have lost interest. There are a select few of us that follow this case regularly, but for the general public, I think they have lost interest. It will probably peak again once the trial starts, but the window of this case getting major national and international attention has come and gone. The general public have moved on to other more recent cases that are now making the media headlines. The Anthony's are just old news now, and many people that I know that do not follow this case think she has already been convicted, especially since it has been so long since this case has started. If the Anthony's and the defense team thought they were going to see a major payoff in the form of book and movie deals at the end of this case/trial, I think they are going to be very disappointed now. With this case not producing all the publicity that it did so, especially in the beginning, you would think the Casey's defense team would want to get this case to trial ASAP. They are not getting paid, most of the national high profile medial attention has waned, and yet it seems that they are still trying to delay, delay, delay. I will never understand this defense team and their strategy for their client.
 
No, no running and ducking necessary because I've wondered the same thing off and on. I think CA has a passive aggressive style - under that public supportive face CA puts on - is there a boiling pot of hate against ICA for taking her precious Caylee away from her.

I'll even raise you one, lisalei321 - lol - I've wondered also if CA needs a guilty decision from a jury and a judge to free her from ICA ( and a decision she doesn't seem capable of making on her own) and allow her to express just how angry at ICA she really is.

Running.......Ducking........:truce:

BBM

I think, when all is said and done, CA will be a "broken" person, she will never be able to comprehend that once a child reaches adulthood, that the decisions that the child makes, right or wrong, is not reflective on how the child was raised. I see lots of anger in CA, and once it's "game over", CA will need lots and lots of therapy to get to a place where she can admit her anger against ICA. The question begs, will she seek out that therapy?

But that said, I stand by my comment, that she is making sure ICA is convicted, even if she doesn't "mean" to. I think she will continue to spew "mistruths" to anyone that will listen, at the expense of her physical and mental health.

JMO, IMO, etc...
 
BBM

I think, when all is said and done, CA will be a "broken" person, she will never be able to comprehend that once a child reaches adulthood, that the decisions that the child makes, right or wrong, is not reflective on how the child was raised. I see lots of anger in CA, and once it's "game over", CA will need lots and lots of therapy to get to a place where she can admit her anger against ICA. The question begs, will she seek out that therapy?

But that said, I stand by my comment, that she is making sure ICA is convicted, even if she doesn't "mean" to. I think she will continue to spew "mistruths" to anyone that will listen, at the expense of her physical and mental health.

JMO, IMO, etc...

rbbm: To answer your question in one of the most overly used words of the Anthonys .... "ABSOLUTELY" NOT. CA doesn't and will never see herself needing to seek therapy. Now, those folks who have had interactions with CA, GA or LA will certainly at one point in time or another need to seek out therapy just for their own piece of mind, in my opinion.

CA already has sacrificed Caylee to maintain her image. Ya think she won't sacrifice anyone else? Not in our lifetime. Even when she sees that ICA bus roaring toasted her, she will continue to lie.

You can't help those who won't help themselves.
 
rbbm: To answer your question in one of the most overly used words of the Anthonys .... "ABSOLUTELY" NOT. CA doesn't and will never see herself needing to seek therapy. Now, those folks who have had interactions with CA, GA or LA will certainly at one point in time or another need to seek out therapy just for their own piece of mind, in my opinion.

CA already has sacrificed Caylee to maintain her image. Ya think she won't sacrifice anyone else? Not in our lifetime. Even when she sees that ICA bus roaring toasted her, she will continue to lie.

You can't help those who won't help themselves.

Well, ninety-nine times out of a hundred - I agree with you, but I just can't on this one. I truly believe both Cindy and George loved Caylee very much and she was The important person in their lives, bringing light finally into their difficult existence. When Caylee was missing during that first month, we read on MySpace how worried she was, and how difficult the separation was.

And she simply could not accept that Caylee was gone forever.

The thing that surprises me is how what we found easy to accept - which was Caylee was dead and ICA murdered - is something we also expect CA to accept. It would never be my first thought - if my daughter told me my grandchild had been kidnapped - never would I immediately think - my daughter has killed her.

And when I faced the LE and the evidence and may possibly accept my grandchild was dead - I would think" there must be some other way this has happened" - I wouldn't immediately link the fact of Caylee's death with ICA. It would be amazingly difficult for me to accept. Despite the evidence, I would hope and pray it wasn't true, until I could no longer deny it.

Why do we insist on believing CA should have accepted this as soon as she smelled the trunk of the car? Why accept both facts - the death and the murder? ICA was telling all kinds of tall tales - if I wanted my grandchild alive like CA did - I'd try to believe her. With all my heart. Look at all the people who have been telling CA that ICA didn't do it. Her lawyers, and those closest to her. And look at the public's horrific outrage at the Anthony family going on at the same time. I would have been tempted to circle the wagons until I sorted things out.

I don't believe CA has been denying Caylee, but has been refusing to believe ICA is responsible. We don't know how she grieves in private. I can only Monday morning quarterback here, because it isn't my grandchild who is dead, and it isn't my daughter who killed her. So I don't believe I can know what it is in the mind and heart of another - so until I do I pray I can hate the sin and not the sinner. All IMO.

"Soapbox Out"
 
I don't believe CA has been denying Caylee, but has been refusing to believe ICA is responsible. We don't know how she grieves in private. I can only Monday morning quarterback here, because it isn't my grandchild who is dead, and it isn't my daughter who killed her. So I don't believe I can know what it is in the mind and heart of another - so until I do I pray I can hate the sin and not the sinner. All IMO.

"Soapbox Out"

You're a better person than I am because I believe that Cindy has known for a very long time that Casey killed Caylee. I think that Cindy knew at least a month prior to LE knowing, that Caylee's remains were out in those woods. If I thought for a moment that Cindy really believed Caylee was alive... I would feel sorry for her... but I don't believe (even for a second) that Cindy believes this. When I see Cindy... I see Casey. I see two women very much alike.

The same way Casey hated Cindy more than she loved Caylee... I believe that Cindy hated the "idea" of Casey becoming her own person more than she loved Caylee. I think Cindy has a very abusive personality. A jealous personality. An egotistical personality. And a dominating personality. I believe that Cindy would have no problem ruining any relationship Casey got into and did (or at least tried). She openly admitted to being jealous of any time Casey and Caylee spent together without her. She told Shirley that she wanted full control over Caylee. She has said numerous times that Caylee was her child (third child... my three children, etc...). She looked at Casey as an extension to herself... like a foot or an arm.

I believe when a parent takes in their child and grandchild, that the parents job is to prepare their child for motherhood/fatherhood. I don't think Cindy ever wanted Casey to become a mother to Caylee. I don't think that Cindy ever wanted Casey to ever be financially stable enough to live her own life with Caylee. I don't believe she ever wanted for Casey to find a man willing to accept her and Caylee. I also believe that Cindy didn't want a father for Caylee because then he would have more "rights" to Caylee than her. Caylee, IMO, was treated like an object, a possession, by both Casey and Cindy. Cindy may have treated Caylee like a precious gem... a priceless gem... but a gem is still just an object.

My theory is that Cindy has forgiven Casey for killing Caylee... that she believes, in her mind, that since she has forgiven Casey, that what happened in "their family" is no one else's business. I think it kills her that LE won't just release Casey and let Cindy "deal with Casey" like she always had.

I don't hate Cindy. I hate what she has done. I would never want to be her... because I would not want to have to answer for all the things she has done and she will eventually have to answer for her life choices.

As much as I find Cindy to be an extremely horrible person, I don't blame her for what happened to Caylee... because I believe that Casey had choices. She could have worked. Saved money. Got her own place. Raised Caylee. There are many programs out there for single mothers to continue their education... there are programs for reduced rent, etc... She was just too lazy... like her father.
 
Well, ninety-nine times out of a hundred - I agree with you, but I just can't on this one. I truly believe both Cindy and George loved Caylee very much and she was The important person in their lives, bringing light finally into their difficult existence. When Caylee was missing during that first month, we read on MySpace how worried she was, and how difficult the separation was.

And she simply could not accept that Caylee was gone forever.

The thing that surprises me is how what we found easy to accept - which was Caylee was dead and ICA murdered - is something we also expect CA to accept. It would never be my first thought - if my daughter told me my grandchild had been kidnapped - never would I immediately think - my daughter has killed her.

And when I faced the LE and the evidence and may possibly accept my grandchild was dead - I would think" there must be some other way this has happened" - I wouldn't immediately link the fact of Caylee's death with ICA. It would be amazingly difficult for me to accept. Despite the evidence, I would hope and pray it wasn't true, until I could no longer deny it.

Why do we insist on believing CA should have accepted this as soon as she smelled the trunk of the car? Why accept both facts - the death and the murder? ICA was telling all kinds of tall tales - if I wanted my grandchild alive like CA did - I'd try to believe her. With all my heart. Look at all the people who have been telling CA that ICA didn't do it. Her lawyers, and those closest to her. And look at the public's horrific outrage at the Anthony family going on at the same time. I would have been tempted to circle the wagons until I sorted things out.

I don't believe CA has been denying Caylee, but has been refusing to believe ICA is responsible. We don't know how she grieves in private. I can only Monday morning quarterback here, because it isn't my grandchild who is dead, and it isn't my daughter who killed her. So I don't believe I can know what it is in the mind and heart of another - so until I do I pray I can hate the sin and not the sinner. All IMO.

"Soapbox Out"

I hear ya logicalgirl and would agree, given the magnitude of this tragedy, that Cindy initially would fight off the idea her Caylee could be dead and that her daughter could be responsible. The mind employs many self defense mechanisms when traumatic events occur, denial being just one of them. But, I don't see this denial lasting very long with Cindy, certainly not past the time Casey was free on bond.

That's because, I see a marked change in Cindy's priorities as early as July 30th. That FBI session was a huge eye opener for me. I didnt see a grandmother desperate to find her grandchild. Should be remembered Cindy set this session up. She inititated this meeting. And from what I saw she wasn't there to talk about her or LE's efforts to find Caylee. On one hand she claims she isnt bothered about where Casey's at, she's safe, yet the majority of that long session is about Cindy trying to deflect suspicion away from Casey and paint her in a totally false light.

If I believed Casey was safe and Caylee was my focus, I would have been asking these seasoned people finders what can I do to help find my grandchild, how can I get my daughter to cooperate with authorities. And I would NOT have waited till well into the interview to share the JBP story. My (with hindsight) take on that interveiw was a woman going into coverup mode, a woman who chose her words carefully....not a woman who was putting her grandchild first. There was a clear shift here from the genuinely distraught Cindy on the 911 calls who had no problem turning her daughter in for grand theft and stealing a car.

5 days earlier during a jail visitation, Casey throws her parents a bone. She tells them she would be happy to talk to Appie Wells or anyone they want to bring in. I have no doubt Cindy tried to make it happen. It didnt and Cindy never presses the subject in the subsequent jail visits. During the pm visit, of July 30th, Cindy is very much pushing the protecting the family bull*****.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE7atm6QqoU&feature=BF&list=QL&index=5[/ame]

Protecting Caylee and the family was in no way condusive to Cindy's numerous tv appearances and press interviews. Neither was Casey creating a myspace page, sporting a missing Caylee t shirt and complaining that the cops wouldn't put out an amber alert.

I dont buy for a second that Cindy didn't grill Casey when she was out on bond for 50 days. Ofcourse I have no way of knowing what further bull*****/new lies, Casey spewed out, but by that point, the Anthonys surely could not ignore that nothing Casey was saying or doing made sense. She was giving them absolutely no help in finding her missing daughter. Not only had she lied to LE, she had lied to Lee. I could make a list of her lies to Lee from the jailhouse, but you get the picture.

Finding Caylee was relegated to meet and greets, fliers, donation jars and futile tv appearances, where Cindy defends her daughter unequivocally but never makes a plea to Caylee's abductor. By the time Casey got out of jail, dialog between the Anthonys and LE had completely broken down. Cindy is well aware at this point about cadaver dog hits on the car and the results of the air sample tests. And I defy anyone to tell me they were looking for Caylee at kidfinder fundraisers or River's gated community. :no:

Huston we have a problem.
 
No, no running and ducking necessary because I've wondered the same thing off and on. I think CA has a passive aggressive style - under that public supportive face CA puts on - is there a boiling pot of hate against ICA for taking her precious Caylee away from her.

I'll even raise you one, lisalei321 - lol - I've wondered also if CA needs a guilty decision from a jury and a judge to free her from ICA ( and a decision she doesn't seem capable of making on her own) and allow her to express just how angry at ICA she really is.

Running.......Ducking........:truce:

I watched a show yesterday on the Bio channel about a family in Canada whose son shot and killed their daughter in '98---they beleived his lies for nine or so years --- that someone else did it--it was more or less pointed out by others that they had to since he was their only child at this point and that letting him go was worse--the mom made six hour trips to the jail for what I'm thinking are weekend visits since they stayed in an apt of some sort---anyways---after the appeal process was over the son admitted to the killing BUT still left out bits and pieces of what really happened---THE PARENTS STILL SUPPORTED HIM---THEN they stated that he had intended to kill all the family not just the daughter-----THEY STILL REMAIN SUPPORTIVE of him.....after all!!! One family memeber said this was how they had to deal with it--they advoided real confrontation and he was their only child at this time and they wanted to keep the "family" intact....it was weird but made me think of the A's...perhaps this is their thinking?

One of my daughters came into the room where I was watching and I briefly explained what was going on---her question was "why would they visit him"--then told her that he intended to kill the whole family...she then said "why are they with him?"----I truly don't think I could ---- I get the mothers love and all but I think murder negates it....I truly do not believe I could visit or contact my child in that situation....could be just me-BUT....:waitasec:
 
Zoey, was that "Life with Murder"?

I too watched it. Seems the parents wanted answers as to WHY he killed his sister...IMO, Greed was his reasons. He knew his parents didn't have a will but wanted to put one together. He did this for them, had it laid out on the table, he was the sole benefactor, never mentioning his sister in this will. He had no reason other than wanting the estate all to himself. His mother calls him out on many inconsistent statements, I think this is a great eyeopener when one family member kills another, how do you forgive??? This family has started their forgiveness...JMHO





When their son is accused of murdering his sister, a mother and father face perhaps the most awful decision any parent could have to make: whether to break with their son or accept him back into the family. With astonishing footage shot over a ten-year period, from minutes after the crime was committed to the present, the film follows the family’s evolving relationships.

Director's statement
"Life With Murder is one of several documentaries I have made over the past 25 years exploring criminals’ relationships to their loved ones. I have focused on this subject perhaps more than any other filmmaker. Long ago I noticed that while the families of victims of crime get much media attention the families of criminals are largely a neglected issue -- yet a hugely important one. There are over 7,000,000 people in the criminal justice system in North America alone. That’s a lot of families…and a lot of neglect. Yet personal relationships often play an important role in why a person commits a crime; and their crime also plays an important role in their personal relationships. Works of fiction from The Godfather to Crime and Punishment have dealt with this subject for many years. So do I but my stories are real." - John Kastner.

http://films.nfb.ca/lifewithmurder/
 
:twocents:The Anthonys are in between, the proverbial rock and hard place. The Court room is not The Today Show, where they can avoid difficult questions and lie with impunity. George's early statements are damning and unequivocal. As was Cindy's "clues" session with the FBI but the woman was too arrogant and desperate to see it. And those three 911 calls are a veritable minefield e.g. "just give me one more day." :sheesh:

BBM-CA knows this. In the Morgan & Morgan depo, she cannot seem to remember some of her previous statements (JM catches her fibbing), and he has to replay them for her on his handy TV.
But when he asks her about the 911 call, she tells him she does not need him to play it for her, that she remembers it precisely. She knows what she did when she made those calls-What she doesn't seem to understand is that the content of those calls were the last greatest thing she did for her grand daughter.
Once JM asked her about the call, she knew it was going to be an issue....thus began her formulation of the stupidest lie in this case on her part....that she made up the call to get police at her house. She will have a mistated answer for everything come trial time, taking episodes where she was on the defense and spinning them to give her an offensive route.
 
:dance:Only six more status hearings until trial.

Hasn't everything CA has said after the 911 calls been a lie?
'It's not against the law to lie' I recall her saying with a deadpan face to whatever media outlet would listen.
Besides the fact it is against the law to lie to the law or in a court of law, it goes against the laws of nature to lie to those trying to find your beloved missing toddler grandchild.

The fact CA chose sides and decided to actively lie on behalf of her chosen side tells me she didn't really love Caylee in a way you or I understand love. Sp was quite profound in her statement about ICA hating CA more than she loved Caylee. I wouldn't doubt CA is a little torn in her feelings toward Caylee as well. If only she was never born, none of this would be happening.

Regarding the A's staying out of the media spotlight. If I truly believed my daughter was innocent and that my grandaughter was alive somewhere while my daughter faced trial in a few short months and the DP at the end of that, no amount of lawyers could stop me from shooting off my mouth every opportunity I got.
The slience is quite deafening isn't it. It speaks volumes.
 
Cindy, in an interview for the Datline Caylee is missing was asked about that moment when she overheard Casey tell Lee she had not seen Caylee in 31 days. She told the interviewer she rushed in and said she couldn't remember exactly what she said, but something to the affect of "Why didn't you tell me this earlier?"
According to Lee, she rushed him, hit the bed on either side of Casey and yelled, "What have you done?!"
 
This isn't the first time they have avoided the media for a while... Who could ever forget them taking that break before George burst back onto the scene with his going to the media with his "Under a Microscope" reading?

I fully expect to start seeing a lot more of Cindy and George starting after the New Year... A lot of things are going to be going on for the four and a half months before the trial... which I do believe will happen in May 2011 unless something extremely catastrophic happens... like Florida disconnecting from Georgia and floating off into the Gulf of Mexico... and I don't even know if that would make Judge Perry budge?

I just don't see how Cindy can remain quiet through all that will be happening leading up to trial. We know how Cindy prides herself on being an expert on "junk science" so I think we'll get a nice little burst of media appearances before and after the Frye Hearing.

Time will be ticking... Four and a half months to spin... spin... spin. If they just so happen to keep completely quiet before this trial... I will be convinced that they have been tied up and gagged.

BBM: So long as the jurors are intact I bet HHSP will keep right on going with he trial! Floaties anyone?
 
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