MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis #5

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What do you suppose was the purpose of the pg. test? Someone, somewhere in the last few days wrote that the $.88 Walmart test requires more than just peeing on a stick--one has to pee in a cup and then the stick goes on a tray? I don't remember the details, but pretty clear it would be more difficult to do out in a parking lot, for instance.

Sorry for answering a question directed at someone else but I've had a theory that had a few missing pieces until the Long Beard's pings, the Wal-Mart stop and purchases came to light at the trial. Then everything fell into place. I hope it is okay to use your question as a jumping off point.

TM & SM kept trying to suggest that Heather was depressed and tried to make it seem that Heather harmed herself or because of depression just took off.

Here is my theory:

They planned this for a long time. The pregnancy test and cigar were essential to help their plan go smoothly. I'm also wondering if the pizza in the bathroom was brought by SM that night, along with the "celebratory" cigar and pregnancy test.

Is there a pizza place close to the Wal-Mart or payphone? Or in the gas station where the payphone was located?

SM orders the pizza in person so he can use any name and as with the Wal Mart purchases he uses cash, possibly he dropped TM off to order the pizza while he picked up his items. Then picked her up after the phone call?

SM speaks to Heather and tells her he's left TM after hearing Heather is pregnant. He's missed her. Can he stop by with a pizza and a cigar so they can celebrate. And a pregnancy test for them to keep as a memento! Heather trusts SM and thinks she is safe with him so invites him over.

Heather calls Bri, since Bri doesn't approve of the relationship and Heather has moved forward Heather thinks it's best to not share everything that she and SM talked about. She doesn't want to argue with Bri but does want Bri's advice.

Soon after she hangs up with Bri SM shows up with pizza, pop and Wal Mart purchases in hand. Take the test first so we can celebrate! (this way the test is taken by heather). I'll pour the soda! (SM puts something in soda to incapacitate Heather). He waits until the drug works. Then TM comes in from the truck to assist SM in staging the apartment.

They place the pizza in the bathroom, so it looks like she's eating while taking the test, tissues on the sofa, depressed posts on line using her phone. The test is left either in the bathroom garbage or her car.

(Ugh, I hate thinking this following part) Either SM or TM goes back to the payphone area to wait for the signals to head home and turn on SM's phone. The soda bottle and Heather's glass are taken along with Heather to Long Beards in Heather's car by either SM or TM where Heather is murdered and placed in the garbage. They start heading back to Heather's apt. but find they forgot to dispose a piece of evidence so head back to lb. There is one more look over Heather's apartment to make sure they haven't left anything behind and that everything fits their narrative.

This is just a theory, but gives a use for the preg rest.

Heather, I hope you are happy in the sunshine of God and let your and God's light illuminate any clues left behind, let any trace of your earthly self be found and let everything lead to the conviction of your killers.

I really think if they did not search Long Beard's and the dumpster with cadaver dogs they might want to.
 
PS. I'm also disappointed by the way the trial went. I don't post a lot, but have been following from a couple of weeks after Heather went missing and have felt the lows and highs along with this wonderful Websleuth group. Thank you all for all that each of you bring to the group.

I'm hoping they have held lots of evidence back for the murder trials so they can surprise the defence like they did in this trial.

From the look of things SM"s lawyer believed what SM told him and was taken a back by some of the evidence and probably couldn't wait for this to end. A plus for the gag order.

Maybe now the prosecutors know what evidence they should include. They absolutely have to hammer on kidnaping being luring, using examples of luring, what luring looks like. And do this with any other form of kidnapping that could play out in Heather's situation.



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Heather moved into Bri's apartment during the time when Sid and she were supposedly no longer in touch, just a few weeks before her disappearance, and he was on a long trip with the family. So there's an assumption being made that Sid knew exactly where Heather lived, but did he?
 
I have a question about the sync module since NL did not ask this to the expert, and she should have.

Is it possible to erase data from this after the fact? Is it possible to disable it altogether for a time and then re-enable it?
 
I have a question about the sync module since NL did not ask this to the expert, and she should have.

Is it possible to erase data from this after the fact? Is it possible to disable it altogether for a time and then re-enable it?

I want to know that also. If the data is stored at some corporate Cloud location, they may have had to disable in advance.
 
I have a question about the sync module since NL did not ask this to the expert, and she should have.

Is it possible to erase data from this after the fact? Is it possible to disable it altogether for a time and then re-enable it?
The testimony was that sync module activity was not available for that very Dec 18 day, so yes it is possible to disable it or wipe the data because that's what happened to that module. How one does that I don't know, but that's what the testimony revealed as the outcome.

The module itself would hold the info, but not upload it into "the cloud." You'd need a constant Internet connection with such a module updating into the cloud and that would be cost prohibitive, as well as a potential liability point due to privacy concerns. So, all data is stored on the module, which has a data drive in it.

Data can be extracted from these types of modules, usually with some kind of connector cord. Also, the module itself can be reset, kind of like when you do a factory reset on any piece of equipment (like your cell phone as one example).
 
Heather moved into Bri's apartment during the time when Sid and she were supposedly no longer in touch, just a few weeks before her disappearance, and he was on a long trip with the family. So there's an assumption being made that Sid knew exactly where Heather lived, but did he?

IMO they knew. TM would have followed Heather home - maybe one of the reasons for the new truck.
 
The testimony was that sync module activity was not available for that very Dec 18 day, so yes it is possible to disable it or wipe the data because that's what happened to that module. How one does that I don't know, but that's what the testimony revealed as the outcome.

The module itself would hold the info, but not upload it into "the cloud." You'd need a constant Internet connection with such a module updating into the cloud and that would be cost prohibitive, as well as a potential liability point due to privacy concerns. So, all data is stored on the module, which has a data drive in it.

Data can be extracted from these types of modules, usually with some kind of connector cord. Also, the module itself can be reset, kind of like when you do a factory reset on any piece of equipment (like your cell phone as one example).

So you're saying it's possible for the average owner (SM and TM) to do either one of those things? Wipe it clean after the fact OR disable it before-hand?
 
IMO they knew. TM would have followed Heather home - maybe one of the reasons for the new truck.
They must have accomplished this in the 1 week they had from returning from their CA roadtrip. Heather had moved into Bri's place while they were out of town. It was 1 week since returning from their trip that Heather was lured and taken (and dead).
 
Well if it's not possible for a consumer to do it, then how do you explain the missing chunk of data on that sync module that just so happens to correspond to their activities on Dec 18th? I don't think it's something TM would know to do, but Sidney could if he had the interest and the right tools to do it. I think what you're really asking here is "did SM take that truck to a mechanic or tech expert and have that person wipe 1 days worth of data?" The answer: don't know. Nothing is in evidence about that.
 
They must have accomplished this in the 1 week they had from returning from their CA roadtrip. Heather had moved into Bri's place while they were out of town. It was 1 week since returning from their trip that Heather was lured and taken (and dead).

Plenty of time for SM to have run into someone "in the know" (i.e. TK employee) who said, "hey have you seen HE? Seen her weight gain? Heard the rumors? I also heard she moved in with Bri...."
 
Well if it's not possible to do it, then how do you explain the missing chunk of data on that sync module that just so happens to correspond to their activities on Dec 18th?

LOL, I don't know! That's my question! IS it possible for the Moorer's to do it? Or was it just a FLUKE/malfunction? This really need to be made crystal clear to the jury in the next trial. Explain to the jury how exactly you'd go about either deleting info after the fact (but only for a certain time period), OR disabling/re-enabling during a specific time period.

Because I, and average vehicle owner with no knowledge of sync modules, wouldn't have a clue how to do that and would ASSUME you'd have to have a high level of technical skill to be able to pull that off (especially erasing after the fact), but maybe I'm wrong. As a member of the jury, I'd really want to know this.
 
It's not a fluke that Dec 18 data was gone. It was done purposefully. You can do research on the Interwebs to find out the inner workings of the SYNC module. It is possible since it was done.

You might be an average vehicle owner but I bet you don't work on your vehicles or read the manuals about the tech. Sid likely would have since he purchased this vehicle. And Sid had reason to want to know this since he was out and about and did not want his activities of Dec 18th known.

Do you get into the inner workings of your computer? Most 'average' users don't. But computer enthusiasts do and there is PLENTY of info available online how to do various things. I utilize some of those resources for my computer. Well, the SYNC capability on a Ford vehicle is just another little computer of sorts. It has hardware, it runs software. The module itself can be removed and replaced. One could physically remove that piece of hardware (like for a day) and then put it back on. HOW this is done I don't know, but I know it can be easily done. Everything is "plug 'n play."
 
I wish we had gotten more info as well. You can do as factory reset. The guy testified that the only thing on there was something at the truck dealer, then nothing until a trip to Florida, I assume the marathon. I think, do not remember the exact details. But I do remember there was nothing in Horry county other than the original purchase, and very few entries overall, maybe 3
I would think a factory reset would remove the original dealer purchase, but maybe not.

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Well if it's not possible for a consumer to do it, then how do you explain the missing chunk of data on that sync module that just so happens to correspond to their activities on Dec 18th? I don't think it's something TM would know to do, but Sidney could if he had the interest and the right tools to do it. I think what you're really asking here is "did SM take that truck to a mechanic or tech expert and have that person wipe 1 days worth of data?" The answer: don't know. Nothing is in evidence about that.
Right. Hard to believe there were no internet searches, etc. Looking for specifics.

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It's not a fluke that Dec 18 data was gone. It was done purposefully. You can do research on the Interwebs to find out the inner workings of the SYNC module. It is possible since it was done.

You might be an average vehicle owner but I bet you don't work on your vehicles or read the manuals about the tech. Sid likely would have since he purchased this vehicle. And Sid had reason to want to know this since he was out and about and did not want his activities of Dec 18th known.

Do you get into the inner workings of your computer? Most 'average' users don't. But computer enthusiasts do and there is PLENTY of info available online how to do various things. I utilize some of those resources for my computer. Well, the SYNC capability on a Ford vehicle is just another little computer of sorts. It has hardware, it runs software. The module itself can be removed and replaced. One could physically remove that piece of hardware (like for a day) and then put it back on. HOW this is done I don't know, but I know it can be easily done. Everything is "plug 'n play."

This needs to be hammered home to the jury. It was not talked about enough, so some of them likely thought "that can't be done!"

For example:

NL: Expert, tell me, is it possible to erase data from a certain date range?
Expert: Yes, but it's not easy. You'd have to look up instructions online and follow them. OR: No, you can only do a full factory reset.
NL: Expert, tell me, is it possible to disable your module at some point, and then re-enable it when you want it back on?
Expert: Yes, that is simple to do. The instructions are in the owner's manual most folks keep in their glove compartment.
 
This needs to be hammered home to the jury. It was not talked about enough, so some of them likely thought "that can't be done!"

For example:

NL: Expert, tell me, is it possible to erase data from a certain date range?
Expert: Yes, but it's not easy. You'd have to look up instructions online and follow them. OR: No, you can only do a full factory reset.
NL: Expert, tell me, is it possible to disable your module at some point, and then re-enable it when you want it back on?
Expert: Yes, that is simple to do. The instructions are in the owner's manual most folks keep in their glove compartment.
Yes. She tried, There was an objection that was sustained when the prosecutor tried to question further.

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Yes. She tried, There was an objection that was sustained when the prosecutor tried to question further.

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I know, but it was because her question was leading. She was given the option to rephrase, but she couldn't think fast enough on her feet, so she gave up and sat down. She and the lady next to her started scribbling on paper and whispering, so I thought the lady was suggesting a way to phrase the question that would be appropriate, but when it came back to her turn, she said, "no further questions." It was a huge missed opportunity.
 
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