MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #14 - Chauvin Trial Day 11

[Tippy Lynn]

Civil rights attorney identifies man in fatal Minneapolis incident; FBI, BCA investigation underway

'Completely And Utterly Messed Up': Video Of Fatal Arrest Shows MPD Officer Kneeling On Man's Neck For At Least 7 Minutes


MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

Thread #1
Thread #2
Thread #3
Thread #4 - Chauvin Opening Statements and Trial Day 1
Thread #5 - Chauvin Trial Day 2
Thread #6 - Chauvin Trial Day 3
Thread #7 - Chauvin Trial Day 4
Thread #8 - Chauvin Trial Day 5
Thread #9 - Chauvin Trial Day 6
Thread #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7
Thread #11 - Chauvin Trial Day 8
Thread #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

Sidebar discussion week #1
Sidebar discussion week #2

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is to discuss the case of George Floyd. It is not a thread to discuss racism in general.

Unless your post relates to this case specifically, it is off topic and will be removed.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Please stay on topic by discussing the trial without introducing the peripheral matters of riots and protests, BLM, all the extraneous chatter about racial inequities and other social justice issues.

We acknowledge, we understand how critical this trial is in relation to those issues, but we need to stay focused on this case and the trial itself. Yes there is overlap with those important issues, but the thread is specifically dedicated to discussing the George Floyd case and the Derek Chauvin trial and not all those other matters.

If members wish to generally speculate on how such issues may have influenced either the victim or the accused, that's fine, but please don't bring in specifics related to all those other matters and derail the thread with social justice issues that will not be resolved in this discussion.

Thanks !!

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

To say simply that GF possibly had fear as a black man was left as reasonable speculation that doesn't warrant dissecting it any further. IF GF had that fear, surely we can all understand where it may have originated.

Quite a few posts had to be removed due to general back and forth bickering. There is no way to edit that many posts and be able to retain context so a lot of responses got removed in the process.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Members have been previously advised not to trash the witnesses. They are not there for our enjoyment or entertainment and there is no need to publicly disparage them or belittle them.

Keep it classy folks !!

Thank you.

 

[Sillybilly]

Please do not state things as fact when it is strictly your opinion.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

PROSECUTION WITNESSES SO FAR


Day 1
Opening Statements
1) 911 MPD Dispatcher Jena Scurry (not to be confused with 911 call taker or fire dispatcher)
2) Speedway gas station cashier All*sha Oy*er
3) MMA guy D*nald W*lliams (prosecution only today)

Day 2
3) witness - From Yesterday, defense follow up etc with MMA guy D*nald W*lliams - he called 911
4) witness - Darn**la - was minor at the time and now 18 - she did the "viral video" that the world has seen and had little cousin with her in green shirt
5) witness - Little cousin in green (not posting any info here at WS... due to minor)
6) witness - Aly*** who was wearing white shirt and blue jeans in group shot.. knows witness #4 from school and knows another person there she drove there with ( young female K**lyn at scene with large bag on shoulder who is #7 witness) She drove up after FG was on ground -took 3 videos.
7) witness - K**lyn (?sp) Arrived with #6 witness. Minor, 17 year old. Friend of #6 Aly***. She circled her photo of standing on the curb.. had large beige bag on shoulder next to MMA guy.
8) witness - 27 yo Lady firefighter/EMT GH who was in all black with white headband that day, with CPR training (wearing uniform in court) from Minneapolis who was on a walk who took video and did 911 call. She was 7th person to arrive on the curb with others watching . The judge chewed her out at the end of today for "arguing with the court" and arguing with attorneys.

Day 3
8) Genev*eve Hans*n cont'd - Firefighter/EMT (defense questions)
9) Christopher Mart*n 19 y/o who worked in CUP FOOD store and accepted the $20 bill.
10) Christopher B*lrey 45 y/o who pulled up behind GF's car, filmed a little then left the scene
11) Charles Mcmi*lian 61 y/o who was first on scene when at CUP food wearing black shirt with white square emblem - "You can't win"
12) Lt. James Rugel with IT responsibility for body and street cams.

Day 4
13) Courtn*y R*ss GF girlfriend since 2017
14) Seth Zach*ry Bravinder - Ambulance/EMS driver
15) Eerek Smith - Ambulance/EMS who did pulse and compressions
16) Jeremy Norton - Captain/EMT at firestation #17 who responded to scene/2nd scene
17) David Pleoger - MPD Sgt. who took call from dispatcher complaint, went to scene, went hospital.

Day 5 - Friday 4/2/2021
18) Sgt Jon Edwards - MPD who took over shift from Pleoger
19) Richard Zimmerman - MPD Investigator for critical incidents;prior to turning over to BCA upon death of GF

Day 6
20) Dr Bradford Langerfeld - Resident at hospital that pronounced GF
21) Chief Arrandondo - Head of MPD
22) Katie Blackwelll - was MPD Commander of Training Division at time of GF death

Day 7
23) Ker Yang - Sgt MPD Crisis Intervention Training Coordinator
24) Johny Mercil - Lt. MPD Oversees MPD Use of Force education who trained Chauvin
25) Nicole MacKenzie - MPD Medical Support Coordinator
26) Jody Stiger - Los Angeles Use of force expert

Day 8
26) Jody Stiger Cont'd Use of force expert from LAPD
27) Special Agent James Reyerson with Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension - BCA lead investigator
28) McKensie Anderson - BCA Forensic Scientist - DNA expert, scene lead
29) Breahna Giles - Forensic Scientist - pills
30) Susan Neith - Forensic Chemist - pills

Day 9
31) Dr. Martin Tobin - Physician in pulmonary and Critical Care
32) Daniel Isenschmid - NMS Laboratories
33) Dr. Bill Smock - Emergency Medicine Physician in forensic medicine / "Police Surgeon"

Day 10 - Friday 4/9/2021
34) Dr. Lindsey Thomas - Forensic Pathologist - Retired from Hennepin County, was Dr. Andrew Baker's mentor
35) Dr. Andrew Baker - Hennepin County ME who did GF autopsy

BOOKMARK FOR TODAY TESTIMONY​

NOT UP YET/WILL DO AN ETA within 60 minutes

ETA: Bookmark for today's testimony - may/may not start early due to motions. (See below re motion still outstanding as to hearing questions for "5th Amendment Guy" .. questions were to be submitted to judge last Thursday and we are awaiting such MOO)

 

[Niner]

Monday, April 12th:
*Trial continues (Day 11) (@ 9:30am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/now 45) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 29 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:28pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection ran through March 23, 2021. Trial with opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case began on March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates (9 women & 5 men). Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
Jurors’ info reference post #6 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #4 - Chauvin Trial Day 1
These are the incidents that State wanted to bring into trial. Reference post #279 here:
George Floyd death / Derek Chauvin trial - Sidebar week 1
Judge ruled that 2 out of 8 prior incidents with Chauvin would be coming in as "he knew better" for #3 & modus operandi evidence for #5.
See post #385 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #8 - Chauvin Trial Day 5
Bond conditions & court info 12/19/20 thru 3/23/21 & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/23) & Day 1 to 9 of Trial (3/29 to 4/8/21) reference post #10 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #13 - Chauvin Trial Day 10
4/9/21 Friday, Trial Day 10: Each morning of the trial the judge has set aside 9am CT/10am ET for any motions/issues with attorneys. No motions hearing.
State’s witnesses: Blackwell on direct. 34) Dr. Lindsey Carol Thomas, forensic pathologist. Cross by Nelson. And re-direct. And re-cross. During break: Judge: “There was a report there might have been some outside media. I find that she (juror) was genuinely surprised. There was not inappropriate conduct by her or from anyone on the outside”. Juror is kept. 35) Andrew M. Baker, M.D., County coroner, performed autopsy on Floyd. Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest (heart & lungs stopped) complicating law enforcement subdual, restart & neck compression. Per testimony: Drugs did not cause Mr. Floyd's death, heart condition did not cause death. Mr. Floyd's death was caused by law enforcement subdual, restraint & compression. Nelson on cross. And re-direct by Blackwell. Trial will reconvene at 9:30am on Monday, 4/12/21.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.

 

[SouthAussie]

Derek Chauvin's defense is using these 3 arguments to try to get an acquittal in George Floyd's death


The 'other causes' theory
The defense's primary argument is that Floyd's death was not due to Chauvin's actions but happened for other medical reasons. The defense has emphasized Floyd's drug use, his initial resistance to officers and his preexisting heart problems.

The 'force is unattractive' theory
This theory argues that police use of force can look horrifying on bystander video, but that it's a necessary part of the job for police officers.
"You will learn that Derek Chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do over the course of his 19-year career," Nelson said in opening statements. "The use of force is not attractive, but it is a necessary component of policing."

The 'hostile crowd' theory
Bystanders who frantically called for Chauvin to get off Floyd were potential threats and distracted him from caring for Floyd. Chauvin may not have done exactly as trained, this theory goes, but the crowd's hostility offers a non-criminal explanation why.
"They are screaming at them, causing the officers to divert their attention from the care of Mr. Floyd to the threat that was growing in front of them," Nelson said in opening statements.

Derek Chauvin's defense is using these 3 arguments to try to get an acquittal in George Floyd's death - CNN

 

[dixiegirl1035]

IIRC, won't this am be earlier to discuss motions?

Was today the day that the motions re what questions to be asked of "5th Amendment Guy" will be offered?

 

[SouthAussie]

If his trial feels momentous, it’s because it is.

... the video of Floyd’s death was different. Millions of people across the United States and the world watched intimate cellphone footage, clear and close, of a death that was painfully slow. To watch that clip is to watch a person’s life slipping from their body a little at a time.

We aren't often confronted with death like that — seeing Floyd die as he did would hurt any mortal person. To relive it through this trial is to have that still-fresh wound scraped raw.

“Every time he dropped one tear, I dropped two to three,” George Floyd’s brother, Philonise Floyd, told the Star Tribune after listening to the testimony of 61-year-old Charles McMillian, who’d tried to help Floyd during his arrest. “It was just terrible just watching him.”

Darnella Frazier, 18, recorded the now-famous video of Floyd’s final moments. She too spoke of guilt, saying amid tears ... Those tears, and the others shed by witnesses, were shared not just by Philonise Floyd, but by so many watching — as was the sense of helplessness.

Those who have watched Floyd die, in person or on video, are unified in their despair.

Why the Chauvin trial feels so momentous

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The jury is expected to hear from a medical doctor Monday, and then possibly "spark of life" witnesses who would speak to who Floyd was as a person. After the prosecution rests its case, which experts say could happen Monday or Tuesday, defense attorney Eric Nelson will begin calling his own list of witnesses.

Derek Chauvin trial live: Prosecution may rest early this week | kare11.com

 

[dixiegirl1035]

We are LIVE..............with judge...

Defense to exclude Seth Soutin (sp?) that it is cumulative... same analysis that others have gone through..Steiger and Mercil and Chief have already testified to as to use of force... as prosecutions wants to play video again....

In addition, on Friday evening per defense, he was served with a secondary report by Soutin?? as to analysis. Defense says "I ate too many drugs" vs. "I ain't..... " analysis.

Defense wants analysis excluded

MOO.. I said Looooooooooooong ago they should have cleaned such up audio grrrrr...

WILL DO ETA's for a bit

ETA: see below... gotta go for most of the day to type here.. only listening... TIA for all that update us that cannot be posting...

 

[turaj]

Good for Nelson...finally....they are overdoing it with the use of force expect. I hope judge rules in his favor. And STate seems to be often giving defense evidence way too late.

 

[Katerz]

Good for Nelson...finally....they are overdoing it with the use of force expect. I hope judge rules in his favor. And STate seems to be often giving defense evidence way too late.

He’s just getting tired of them constantly pointing out that he used excessive force and should have gotten his big frickin knee and big man syndrome self off of George.

 

[turaj]

He’s just getting tired of them constantly pointing out that he used excessive force and should have gotten his big frickin knee and big man syndrome self off of George.

True however this is cumulative and I have to think this is overkill which in fact could work against them

 

[turaj]

Wow going to hear all of this yet again...I think judge knows the defense has a point but going to error in favor of the state. I expect some objections. Strangely today I am agreeing 100% with Nelson today

 

[Katerz]

Nelson already made the comment putting words in the jury’s head about what George may have said about the drugs. So I think the state should be allowed to play it again.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Judge says they will put Mr. Hall on stand tomorrow...

I'm now away from typing from my morning posts... back later for postings and looking forward to others posts to review...

 

[JerseyGirl]

The third week of testimony will start shortly in the Derek Chauvin trial.

Right now, Steve Schleicher is arguing against the defense’s motion to exclude their use of force expert.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1381608804089991169?s=21

Defense attorney Eric Nelson argues a sixth use of force expert would be cumulative. Schleicher says this expert is an academic “and he takes an academic approach.”

Judge Cahill: "Well, the court concern, we're pretty clear before is that motions in limine, we're not going to call every cop and ask him, What would you have done differently and basically I think the state has almost done that.”