MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #14 - Chauvin Trial Day 11

[Tippy Lynn]

This cardiologist testified he sees no evidence that Fentanyl cause GF's death.

 

[turaj]

GF was very very used to Fentanyl and I think his reaction may be quite different than the average user.

 

[Algo214]

Preventable death

 

[turaj]

GF was very very used to Fentanyl and I think his reaction may be quite different than the average user.

I am doubtful that Nelson has the capability and knowledge to successfully cross this witness. But man, I can imagine some Cardiologists and others doing an extreme wt* at his testimony. It's alarming to me.

not sure why but his testimony seems off to me.

 

[turaj]

Preventable death

I think most would agree with that statement.

 

[missy1974]

This cardiologist testified he sees no evidence that Fentanyl cause GF's death.

he also said his heart was good.

I have a question.. not for you Tippy, but for anyone that might know...

Fenatanyl causes lethargy, meth causes the opposite.

If someone had taken a lethal dose of fentanyl, and before they passed out, took meth... what would happen?

It was brought up this morning again that GF was nodding off in the car before LE got there, and I think of that when they say fentanyl or fetanyl overdose causes this type of behaviour.

 

[missy1974]

I wish we could hear these objections

 

[missy1974]

State is done.. .20 minute recess.

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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23m
#DerekChauvinTrial - Earlier: Judge Cahill anticipates closing arguments 1 week from today. Also, as we've known, he confirms jury will be sequestered from that point on.

Cathy Russon Retweeted
Brian G. Buckmire
@BuckEsq
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27m
I totally get the prosecution has to prove their case and having a cardiologist on the stand to testify about #GeorgeFloyd heart to combat the arguments of the defense... but is anyone else thinking “Bring back Dr. Tobin?” This is what medical testimony usually feels like.

Cathy Russon Retweeted
Linda Kenney Baden (she/her)
@KenneyBaden
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25m
Replying to
@BuckEsq
Nope not here- Dr. Rich is also terrific, looking at jury, explains things very simply. Speaking to cardiac nurse on the jury isn't he?

Cathy Russon Retweeted
Brian G. Buckmire
@BuckEsq
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24m
Replying to
@KenneyBaden
Oh he is 100% talking to her. That juror will be one of the best “witnesses” in the jury room. Dr. Jonathan Rich’s credibility could be raised or lowered depending on that jurors opinion of him.

Cathy Russon Retweeted
Linda Kenney Baden (she/her)
@KenneyBaden
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18m
Replying to
@BuckEsq
He is also I believe refuting in advance the report of defense expert Dr.Fowler who has not yet testified. e.g. "Silent Heart Attack". Is further sandwiching the findings of Dr. Baker that said the subdual neck restraint caused death but of heart disease/drugs.

Cathy Russon Retweeted
Brian G. Buckmire
@BuckEsq
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10m
Replying to
@KenneyBaden
and
@LawCrimeNetwork
Prosecution has been doing a great job of anticipating arguments from the defense and addressing them wary and fully

Dr. Hall testifies he saw no evidence to suggest fentanyl overdose caused #GeorgeFloyd's death.

Dr. Hall: "I believe that #GeorgeFloyd's death was absolutely preventable."

-DR. RICH not Hall. DR. Jonathan Rich, cardiologist.

link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[thx4_medic_Babby]

Personally, I was under the impression that high blood pressure and carotid disease were not indicators of a “strong heart,” and wasn’t aware that clogged hearts “make you stronger” in a positive manner. 75% - 90% clogged arteries? No big deal.

Apparently a heart attack no longer has symptoms including: chest pain, lightheadedness, shortness of breath, sweating, etc.

A previous witness already mentioned smoking isn’t all that unhealthy. My concern is: have I been bamboozled by the American healthcare industry until this trial?

 

[Factoria]

I'm not hearing anything from Dr. Rich that I'd class as 'contradictory' to previous expert witnesses' testimony. Rather, what I'm better understanding from this testimony is that, in spite of the narrowing of the arteries, and mild enlargement of the heart muscle, there is no indication of GF having experienced any cardiac incident or heart attack. If he'd ever had such an incident, it would be evident by scar tissue in the endocardium tissue, and there would have been platelets and other signs found within the arteries. None were found. This certainly answers some questions for me.

 

[Rhozwen]

The way I am understanding Dr. Rich's testimony is that he did not find that GF's heart was damaged and the narrowing of arteries did not cause any heart damage as there were no blockages (meaning complete occlusions)
His left main coronary artery - very first pathway blood travels down to branch off into multiple arteries - had no blockages. The description by Dr. Baker in the autopsy as some the plaque being calcified indicates a slow building up of plaque that has been building over time.
Mildly enlarged heart - Dr. Rich believes it was mildly enlarged, an expected finding with someone who has high blood pressure. That is a normal response to high blood pressure.
In my opinion, I find his explanations very easy to understand and really does coincide with the findings of Dr. Baker.
I am not understanding why others are so taken aback by Dr. Rich's testimony.
Did I miss something?

 

[turaj]

Personally, I was under the impression that high blood pressure and carotid disease were not indicators of a “strong heart,” and wasn’t aware that clogged hearts “make you stronger” in a positive manner. 75% - 90% clogged arteries? No big deal.

A previous witness already mentioned smoking isn’t all that unhealthy. My concern is: have I been bamboozled by American healthcare industry until this trial?

yes remember the one that said most smokers never have heart issues etc.

 

[Niner]

Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9
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10m
Dr Jonathan Rich, a Chicago area cardiologist tells jury, #GeorgeFloyd death was "absolutely preventable." Contends officers should have turned Floyd onto his side, in a recovery position, and started CPR once they realized he had no pulse.

link: https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9

 

[MsBetsy]

he also said his heart was good.

I have a question.. not for you Tippy, but for anyone that might know...

Fenatanyl causes lethargy, meth causes the opposite.

If someone had taken a lethal dose of fentanyl, and before they passed out, took meth... what would happen?

It was brought up this morning again that GF was nodding off in the car before LE got there, and I think of that when they say fentanyl or fetanyl overdose causes this type of behaviour.

I think it depends on the situation and whether or not they are actually overdosing. Once a person passes out or is having trouble breathing during a overdose, the only thing that will reverse the effects is Naloxone. They can't just "snap back" from an overdose, imo.

I have seen chronic pain patients nod off after dosing, and sometimes they just need to get up and move around to avoid drowsiness. A cup of coffee might help too, so I'm sure meth would counteract the drowsiness effect.
Imo

 

[GarAndTeed]

I'm not hearing anything from Dr. Rich that I'd class as 'contradictory' to previous expert witnesses' testimony. Rather, what I'm better understanding from this testimony is that, in spite of the narrowing of the arteries, and mild enlargement of the heart muscle, there is no indication of GF having experienced any cardiac incident or heart attack. If he'd ever had such an incident, it would be evident by scar tissue in the endocardium tissue, and there would have been platelets and other signs found within the arteries. None were found. This certainly answers some questions for me.

I agree; I worked in cardiology, and IMO, this doctor is absolutely correct. If GF had had even a "mild" heart attack, there would definitely be scar tissue in the heart muscle.

 

[MsBetsy]

yes remember the one that said most smokers never have heart issues etc.

I thought he said only 10 percent develop lung disease.

 

[Breathe]

Wow, that was longer that I expected...

 

[turaj]

I agree; I worked in cardiology, and IMO, this doctor is absolutely correct. If GF had had even a "mild" heart attack, there would definitely be scar tissue in the heart muscle.

absolutely he did NOT have a heart attack...however I think he had some conditions as documented by autopsy that could be argued contributed to but not caused the death.

 

[missy1974]

I agree; I worked in cardiology, and IMO, this doctor is absolutely correct. If GF had had even a "mild" heart attack, there would definitely be scar tissue in the heart muscle.

I don't think the defense has said or implied he had a heart attack. One of the tweets did say something about the defense witness and "silent heart attack". I think they have mentioned arrhythmia though.

We will see with the questioning I guess.