GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #20

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turaj said:
While I think they all need to be held accountable and we are complicit in the crime...their roles were so different. I don't see how one trial with three defendants can work. The most likely to settle is Lane as for some reason given his asking twice about rolling him on his side etc. he just seemed a bit more uncomfortable with what Chauvin was doing.
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Officer Lane seems to be held in better regard because he suggested that DC turn George on his side? Because he went with the ambulance? Because he was a newbie cop?

Lane knew the danger of not turning George to a side position, as did all four cops based on their training. He did "mention" it, but he did nothing to make it happen to save George's life. Lane knew that George had no pulse. He did "mention" it, but he did nothing to start CPR to save George's life.

There is no excuse for his lack of actions in preventing George's death and if anything, he proved that he was fully aware of what was happening and did nothing. I have no sympathy for him.
 
casesensitive said:
Officer Lane seems to be held in better regard because he suggested that DC turn George on his side? Because he went with the ambulance? Because he was a newbie cop?

Lane knew the danger of not turning George to a side position, as did all four cops based on their training. He did "mention" it, but he did nothing to make it happen to save George's life. Lane knew that George had no pulse. He did "mention" it, but he did nothing to start CPR to save George's life.

There is no excuse for his lack of actions in preventing George's death and if anything, he proved that he was fully aware of what was happening and did nothing. I have no sympathy for him.
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I think it is very possible that a jury will have empathy for Lane. Judging by the comments that I see all over the place.
 
casesensitive said:
Officer Lane seems to be held in better regard because he suggested that DC turn George on his side? Because he went with the ambulance? Because he was a newbie cop?

Lane knew the danger of not turning George to a side position, as did all four cops based on their training. He did "mention" it, but he did nothing to make it happen to save George's life. Lane knew that George had no pulse. He did "mention" it, but he did nothing to start CPR to save George's life.

There is no excuse for his lack of actions in preventing George's death and if anything, he proved that he was fully aware of what was happening and did nothing. I have no sympathy for him.
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Exactly! What really matters is ACTION, not words. We all know the saying about hell and good intentions. He was an Officer and should have acted as a true Officer.
 
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turaj said:
While I think they all need to be held accountable and we are complicit in the crime...their roles were so different. I don't see how one trial with three defendants can work. The most likely to settle is Lane as for some reason given his asking twice about rolling him on his side etc. he just seemed a bit more uncomfortable with what Chauvin was doing.
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They played different roles but they all participated in the same crime. They each had the same level of "duty of care." Lane may have suggested rolling Floyd over but that didn't stop him from continuing to restrain him for nine minutes and doing nothing to help him.

He had many opportunities during the ambulance ride to tell paramedics that Chauvin had his knee on his neck. Even when he was asked about what happened he avoided any mention of the restraint. He said Floyd only resisted for a minute and a half, so he knew the 9 minutes and 29 seconds was not warranted.

Thao admitted in his interview that he had never seen an officer use a knee on a suspect's neck, and had never done it himself. When he was asked if he had ever seen Chauvin do it he said he didn't recall. He knew it was wrong but according to him it wasn't his job to check on Floyd.

Lane did seem to be the only one concerned about Floyd's wellbeing, but I'm not sure that will be enough to absolve him of the crime. Saying something is not the same as "doing" something.

If three men participate in a robbery and one of them shoots and kills someone, they all face the same penalty, even if one of them warns the shooter not to shoot or hurt anyone. Imo
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
I guess I had forgotten, or I never knew until the 60 minutes show that Blackwell and Sc...(?sp) aka Indiana Jones were high powered attys from private law firms that did the months long work pro bono for the state.
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Reminded me that there was some suggestion of Ellison having a relative within the city council. Perhaps this was untrue?
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
I guess I had forgotten, or I never knew until the 60 minutes show that Blackwell and Sc...(?sp) aka Indiana Jones were high powered attys from private law firms that did the months long work pro bono for the state.
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I definitely didn't know that, until I read the links posted by @sds71 above. They were very invested in using their talents for a successful outcome, and change.


"Jerry Blackwell and Steve Schleicher presented the closing arguments, but they're not career prosecutors. They were recruited by the attorney general from big law firms—because of their talent. Both volunteered to work this case for free.

Jerry Blackwell: It meant a lot to me personally. I mean, I have-- had my own experiences of being stopped by the police for no reason, being harassed for no reason. And I wanted to do my part, just as a citizen, to say that the rule of law matters.

Steve Schleicher: ...... We're in the middle of history right now ...... But the rest of it is really-- up to the world whether it changes, what it changes, to what extent. We're in the middle of this story."

60 Minutes interviews the prosecutors of Derek Chauvin
 
turaj said:
Keith Ellison never ceases to amaze me. As I understood it the state was going to argue for upward departure for the sentence based on aggravating factors. Why is he out there now "feeling sorry for Chauvin"??
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As I saw it, he was explaining that you can have empathy for a human being that has done such a thing, yet his point he was trying to make was that he needs to be accountable nonetheless. MOO.

I don't see it as a mutually exclusive viewpoint, as perhaps this post is asking about "why" MOO
 
dixiegirl1035 said:
As I saw it, he was explaining that you can have empathy for a human being that has done such a thing, yet his point he was trying to make was that he needs to be accountable nonetheless. MOO.

I don't see it as a mutually exclusive viewpoint, as perhaps this post is asking about "why" MOO
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Yes, that's how I interpreted it. He's saying he felt Chauvin deserved to be convicted while recognizing that defendants are humans who make mistakes.

I keep wondering if more people would have sympathized with him if he had taken the stand and tried to explain himself. I wonder if he will make a statement or apologize to the family at his sentencing.
 
MsBetsy said:
Yes, that's how I interpreted it. He's saying he felt Chauvin deserved to be convicted while recognizing that defendants are humans who make mistakes.

I keep wondering if more people would have sympathized with him if he had taken the stand and tried to explain himself. I wonder if he will make a statement or apologize to the family at his sentencing.
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I actually think it might have made things worse.Chauvin comes off as very cold and distant.
 
But nevertheless he should overcome his weakness and stand tall, take off his mask, apologize and try to explain his behaviour. Like a man and an officer with honour.
 
tara83 said:
I actually think it might have made things worse.Chauvin comes off as very cold and distant.
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That might be the main reason he didn't testify. Nelson probably knew that no matter what his reasoning, he would come across as uncaring or insensitive.

By all accounts, Chauvin was or is antisocial. His partner said he never discussed the incident with him and never talked much at all while they worked together. Maybe he has antisocial personality disorder. Or something. Imo
 
MsBetsy said:
That might be the main reason he didn't testify. Nelson probably knew that no matter what his reasoning, he would come across as uncaring or insensitive.

By all accounts, Chauvin was or is antisocial. His partner said he never discussed the incident with him and never talked much at all while they worked together. Maybe he has antisocial personality disorder. Or something. Imo
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Not to mention the questioning Chauvin would have been under by the prosecution, if he took the stand.
They might even have been able to push him to the point of displaying anger.

Better for him that he waits until the sentencing to say anything he wants to say.
 
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