MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #12

[j123]

Kevin's behavior really isn't that strange. It's important to consider Kevin as a human being and everything that implies rather than solely the literal facts of his involvement.

He was a young kid really just killing boredom with his girlfriend, curious to see what was going on. I'm sure he regrets following the police cars that night and wishes he'd stayed home. Every day that passed probably made the idea of coming forward scarier and scarier; it's not unreasonable to think he was probably afraid of voluntarily involving himself in a child abduction investigation which had zero persons of interest named. Even if you're innocent, there is no way of knowing what people will think. Maybe he'd had bad experiences with the law in the past, or had friends or family who had.

Coming forward would have been the right thing to do, but it's very easy for me to see how many non-malicious reasons he could have had for acting the way he did. He did eventually come forward; condemning him for not doing it sooner only makes others with information even less likely to do so themselves. Nothing can compare to what the Wetterlings have experienced; that being said, there's no reason to diminish any suffering, big or small, that Kevin and others in his shoes have gone or are going through too.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Ok, but if Kevin did it he essentially got away with it. Why come forward after so many years? I realize you are reaching for anything at this point and that we have to exhaust all individuals who were on scene.

1-Kevin wouldn't have come forward EVER if he were the perp.
2-Kevin was only on DR driveway due to hearing of an abduction on his gf's mom's scanner and he & gf took off right after and drove up DR driveway, turned around and left when he saw no activity. There were 3 witnesses and the fact that the car he drove had brand new tires was probably not a publicly known fact.

Could Jacob have been walked partway up the driveway and then carried ---- and when Kevin came along after the abduction in his car, he drove right in front of Jacob's last footprint?

 

[aliensporebomb]

Right. I keep wondering "If Kevin hadn't driven down there, what would LE have found?" Remember for years Kevin never came forward because he supposedly talked to an officer who didn't seem interested in talking to him.

You're a certain kind of impulsive when you're 21 and I bet 46 year old Kevin looks back at 21 year old Kevin going "Why didn't you just stay and play cards?"

The other thought: people who have posted on various forums claiming that they "know what happened" - absolutely the most frustrating thing.

I seem to remember being on a forum where posts would pop up where someone claimed to have known what happened after the kidnapping; one I saw one posted here somewhere that said the perpetrator was deceased but that he also died in agony but couldn't reveal details (probably because it would make his family look bad - what about Jacob's? Don't they deserve answers after a quarter century?).

The other post that really made me raise my eyebrows was a comment on a newspapers' website - possibly the 13th or 15th anniversary.

The comment claimed the perpetrator fell down a flight of stairs and broke his neck after JW kicked him in the crotch 2 days after the kidnapping while
struggling to bring him to a cellar somewhere.

As much as I'd like to think JW managed to get a few shots to whoever took him in it's stuff like this that makes me see red - 25 years.
Will there ever be an answer?

 

[human]

I'm just going to say it, "You are really stretching this." He must have had a good time in that mancave in Minnesota winters.

My husband's man cave garage has a wood burning stove. Very cozy

 

[Trino]

My husband's man cave garage has a wood burning stove. Very cozy

Does DR's?

I got it now. DR in the mancave sat in the lawn chair, stabbed the victim with the base of the umbrella table, then put him in the cedar chest.

Had to edit because I forgot to include the wood pile, the burning buildings, and the firepit.

 

[nmogren]

Could Jacob have been walked partway up the driveway and then carried ---- and when Kevin came along after the abduction in his car, he drove right in front of Jacob's last footprint?

That seems very probable.


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[shergal]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/allen-garber/27/398/b67

If you've read Al Garber's book, you know he was involved in Jacob's case. I guess he could have been the marshall at the party, not sure what difference it makes though. I'm glad someone finally convinced Kevin to come forward with his story.

 

[shergal]

You know what, it's possible. Have we met this family, do we know a thing about them? what kind of guy is kevin? how intelligent is he? He's a ghost to us. But I believe we have the only 2 scenarios in which Jacob was taken, either by kevins vehicle or DR.

Sorry, I can't disagree with this enough. Kevin is not a possibility at all (IMO), he doesn't even enter the story until the 911 cop cars are speeding toward the Wetterling's home. And no, I don't believe the gf's mom would lie for Kevin. Or his brother, brother's wife and his gf. One of them would have blabbed by now.

I also don't think DR is the only possibility. He's not even in the top 3 on my list anymore. (Although I do think he knows things about the case or who did it.) Or he just enjoys obstructing justice.

There could have possibly been a car, and it wouldn't have to have been the small dark car or the light tan car. We just don't know. There are a few suspects I refuse to let go of, a couple of whom I can't mention their names on here, because they were never mentioned as suspects in MSM. But I don't see that we have narrowed the field at all. All just my opinion.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Sorry, I can't disagree with this enough. Kevin is not a possibility at all (IMO), he doesn't even enter the story until the 911 cop cars are speeding toward the Wetterling's home. And no, I don't believe the gf's mom would lie for Kevin. Or his brother, brother's wife and his gf. One of them would have blabbed by now.

I also don't think DR is the only possibility. He's not even in the top 3 on my list anymore. (Although I do think he knows things about the case or who did it.) Or he just enjoys obstructing justice.

There could have possibly been a car, and it wouldn't have to have been the small dark car or the light tan car. We just don't know. There are a few suspects I refuse to let go of, a couple of whom I can't mention their names on here, because they were never mentioned as suspects in MSM. But I don't see that we have narrowed the field at all. All just my opinion.

I've narrowed it down to two people of whom neither are cleared. The evidence pointed at the one for 15 years, well we have him now. Thank God. Therefore now, I would like to work from here, from inside and then to out. If nothing takes you out of the neighborhood, dont leave the neighborhood. Clear kevin, clear DR first.

 

[shergal]

I've narrowed it down to two people of whom neither are cleared. The evidence pointed at the one for 15 years, well we have him now. Thank God. Therefore now, I would like to work from here, from inside and then to out. If nothing takes you out of the neighborhood, dont leave the neighborhood. Clear kevin, clear DR first.

Go ahead and waste your time, I guess explaining how things are not possible isn't sinking in. I realize your only goal here is to clear DR, but I'm done responding to these outlandish suggestions. Let us know when you get them both cleared to your satisfaction.

 

[aliensporebomb]

That seems very probable.


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The other thought I had that nobody seems to have mentioned (pardon if that's the case) is, if there was no car perhaps there was an ATV. This is a rural area (especially at that time) and it seems that every other person has an ATV.

 

[Trino]

I wonder why Kevin just doesn't give an interview with the media, then publish his photo along with his story. If this was just a stupid thing he did as a 21 yr old, what's the problem admitting it to the public? Why does he want the story and his name kept so quiet?

 

[j123]

I wonder why Kevin just doesn't give an interview with the media, then publish his photo along with his story. If this was just a stupid thing he did as a 21 yr old, what's the problem admitting it to the public? Why does he want the story and his name kept so quiet?

After reading this thread, I do not blame Kevin at ALL for wanting to keep his name private. His entire life story would be being analyzed here along with a family tree spanning generations of people who have nothing to do with anything. And he DID tell his story, at least three times; he even informed a police officer on the night that it happened.

 

[Dave K]

What I can never get over is the fact that this 'Kevin' kept this incredible information a secret for 14 years before he bothered to say anything. With the amount of press that this case has gotten, worldwide....what kind of person doesn't speak up and reveal they were AT THE SCENE just minutes after the abduction? Blows my mind. And that he considered loading the bikes in his truck of his car.

I don't know if Kevin is real or not but he sure made threw a wrench into this case with his actions that night and then his lack of speaking up for 14 years.

I really agree with this; I have a fairly long post concerning the whole circumstances surrounding Kevin, which I'm kind of leery to post, because, it's fairly long and kind of convoluted, but, since Kevin seems to be a pretty active topic now, maybe I should go ahead and post it. I don't think that he had anything to do with the abduction. It's just that his story raises some real questions to me, that I don't know, but, would hope that maybe a better understanding of the circumstances could bring something to light, which hasn't been considered before now.

 

[Dave K]

After reading this thread, I do not blame Kevin at ALL for wanting to keep his name private. His entire life story would be being analyzed here along with a family tree spanning generations of people who have nothing to do with anything. And he DID tell his story, at least three times; he even informed a police officer on the night that it happened.

I agree with Trino on this. While yeah, it may inconvenience Kevin to some extent; well, this is a story that has nationwide attention; and for good reason. I personally feel that the public should have all the information that is pertinent to the case; and what information we don't know, we don't know that it's not pertinent. The more information surrounding the case that is available and understood, the more likely something will come out of it, that had not previously surfaced. At least that's my thinking. Not arguing, just giving my thoughts on the subject.

When asking the public for information, LE frequently says that 'someone may know something that they don't even know, or think is important.' I agree with that.

 

[j123]

I agree with Trino on this. While yeah, it may inconvenience Kevin to some extent; well, this is a story that has nationwide attention; and for good reason. I personally feel that the public should have all the information that is pertinent to the case; and what information we don't know, we don't know that it's not pertinent. The more information surrounding the case that is available and understood, the more likely something will come out of it, that had not previously surfaced. At least that's my thinking. Not arguing, just giving my thoughts on the subject.

I understand your point; I mostly agree, too. But what more is there for Kevin to say? His last name seems to be the only thing we don't know, and I just don't think it's necessary. Since he's willingly come forward, I imagine he's told everything he knows.

 

[Trino]

I understand your point; I mostly agree, too. But what more is there for Kevin to say? His last name seems to be the only thing we don't know, and I just don't think it's necessary. Since he's willingly come forward, I imagine he's told everything he knows.

It's my understanding the boys with J were hypnotized (maybe not all). Maybe Kevin should be - could give more info maybe.

 

[Dave K]

I understand your point; I mostly agree, too. But what more is there for Kevin to say? His last name seems to be the only thing we don't know, and I just don't think it's necessary. Since he's willingly come forward, I imagine he's told everything he knows.

Yeah, I have a little bit of mixed feelings about it; in fact, I was just thinking about editing and adding that, I do blame Kevin, I blame him for not coming forward in 1989 and still blame him for not coming forward now. Given that thought, it is true that he would likely face more than just minor ill-feelings from a certain amount of the public. So, it may be that he'd be facing more than a little inconvenience. At the same time; I still almost think that he should, like I say, it's a national story, and for a good reason. And, it's been a big story, for a long time in that area. I really think that the more information that the public has, even if it doesn't seem that significant to someone else, may well be the sliver of light that is needed to know where to look. I'd just ask him to, 'take the hit' acknowledge that he should have brought the information forward earlier, apologize and state that he is now trying to help in any way that he can. However, the other big factor here is that we can 'assume' that LE has questioned him, at least somewhat sufficiently, but, it's LE that is not sharing any information with the public, which I know is something that frustrates a lot of people; and, adding to that; it's not impossible that LE has not asked all the pertinent questions. I just want all the information there is, available and verified accurate. Thanks for the reply, (w/o arguing)

 

[Dave K]

It's my understanding the boys with J were hypnotized (maybe not all). Maybe Kevin should be - could give more info maybe.

Actually, I believe he's stated that he's actually willing and would like to do that. I have to give him credit for that. The following is quoted from Joy's Blog, Kevin's Story:

"(Incidentally, Kevin has also mentioned to police that he is willing to be hypnotized. In fact, he would actually LIKE to do this, just in case there’s more information he’s able to provide about the car and/or “medical cop” he witnessed at the Tom Thumb that night. He asked me if I knew where he could have something like this done… on his own… to help with the investigation. I said I didn’t know, but I would throw it out there and see if anyone had any suggestions for him.)"

Doesn't seem that it'd be that hard to find someone to help out on that; the only thing that came to mind for me would be for him, or anyone else working with him to contact the Vidocq Society, a group of retired investigators who sometimes donate their talents to cold cases. Maybe they'd have connection or could make a recommendation.

 

[chaplain1]

Actually, I believe he's stated that he's actually willing and would like to do that. I have to give him credit for that. The following is quoted from Joy's Blog, Kevin's Story:

"(Incidentally, Kevin has also mentioned to police that he is willing to be hypnotized. In fact, he would actually LIKE to do this, just in case there’s more information he’s able to provide about the car and/or “medical cop” he witnessed at the Tom Thumb that night. He asked me if I knew where he could have something like this done… on his own… to help with the investigation. I said I didn’t know, but I would throw it out there and see if anyone had any suggestions for him.)"

Doesn't seem that it'd be that hard to find someone to help out on that; the only thing that came to mind for me would be for him, or anyone else working with him to contact the Vidocq Society, a group of retired investigators who sometimes donate their talents to cold cases. Maybe they'd have connection or could make a recommendation.

Agree about Kevin.

QUESTION: is medical cop joy or "kevin's" term? The only way I've ever heard it used is for a coroner, and they don't call themselves that.