MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #16

[emeraldine]

This is all my opinion. I'm not any kind of expert. If he's ever arrested I will admit I'm wrong, but until then, I'm not convinced. There is probably no other good poi because they did not catch anyone quick enough.

Have you guys been having the DR conversations since 2010???

How far have you gotten???

Same questions since 2010???

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I was going to post something to the effect of both of these comments, but they say it better.

Some pedophile just beyond the radar is, in my opinion, laughing to himself and saying, "They'll never find me!"

This person almost definitely would have re-offended, and will probably continue to do so in the present if he's living and able.

Pedophiles, I think, are generally considered impossible to "redeem" because, in addition to their predatory nature, they have the almost certain advantage of being both physically and mentally/emotionally stronger than their intended victims. Why would they stop? A pedophile expects to live as a lone shark in an enormous goldfish tank, and only the removal and confinement of such a predator could ever change that dynamic.

It seems to me like the perp's traits can be profiled in a way that excludes anything that is known about D.R. His "track record" speaks well for him - not that I'm saying that having a perfect track record is ever a guarantee of innocence.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Have you guys been having the DR conversations since 2010???

How far have you gotten???

Same questions since 2010???

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So we've presented a circumstancial case against DR, are you prepared to offer something better?

 

[human]

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What explanation can there be for a cedar chest with cadaver blood on it? Cadaver blood means that a dead person was involved somehow with the chest.

Yes, I know that no one has stated it is cadaver blood, but how else did anyone know there was blood on the chest? Blood over the course of years looks nothing like blood.

 

[tinner007]

Can't edit my post for some reason but in regards to the best article describing what a POI is I forgot the link
This is by far the best article on the term POI... every word written is 100% the truth:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20050526.html
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[Sasquatch321]

Can't edit my post for some reason but in regards to the best article describing what a POI is I forgot the link
This is by far the best article on the term POI... every word written is 100% the truth:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20050526.html
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That is interesting. To legally be able to do this and for this long, this just supports a very good unknown reason again.


It's possible the "person of interest" designation may have a "flushing out" effect - prompting those with knowledge about the named person to come out of the woodwork. But the government ought to be able to find and interview knowledgeable persons without resorting to this tactic

Rassier does come from a large family.

 

[tinner007]

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What explanation can there be for a cedar chest with cadaver blood on it? Cadaver blood means that a dead person was involved somehow with the chest.

Yes, I know that no one has stated it is cadaver blood, but how else did anyone know there was blood on the chest? Blood over the course of years looks nothing like blood.

If nobody has stated that it was "cadaver" blood, then why spread rumors that it is. And if it is, it must've at one time belonged to a medical examiner, physician, or scientists being that the definition of cadaver is a deceased human body used for scientific or medical research.

What other rumors should we start???

The fact is, nobody knows anything about items taken in 2010. In most instances when LE has nothing to say, it's because they have nothing to talk about.

Look at cases by SCSO....history seems to repeat itself over and over! A whole 'lotta nothing going on!

 

[tinner007]

That is interesting. To legally be able to do this and for this long, this just supports a very good unknown reason again.


It's possible the "person of interest" designation may have a "flushing out" effect - prompting those with knowledge about the named person to come out of the woodwork. But the government ought to be able to find and interview knowledgeable persons without resorting to this tactic

Rassier does come from a large family.

In regards to this case, I'm absolutely positive this quote from the article fits this case like a glove:

A Major Reason for "Person of Interest" Designations: Increased Pressure to Solve Crimes

Public pressure on investigative agencies seems to grow by the day. With a non-stop 24-hour cable news cycle focused heavily on crime stories, it is perfectly natural that police officials want to appear as though they are getting closer to solving whatever crime has most recently gained media attention.

But naming a "person of interest" is a cheap and destructive way out of this predicament. The power of government brings with it the obligation of restraint.

 

[tinner007]

The lesson the police and press gleaned from the Jewell debacle, however, was not the right one. They should have learned that prematurely naming suspects is a really bad idea - as is suggesting that suspects must have been named because there's strong evidence against them.

But what the police and press learned, instead, was simply that using the loaded term "suspect" opens the door to potential legal liability.

Thus, a euphemism was born. After all, calling someone a "person of interest" doesn't suggest official suspicion or evidence of guilt. Wink; wink.



And real-life cases in which the "person of interest" label has been used, have rarely involved imminent harm to a living victim that might be averted by resorting to the label. To the contrary, often it seems that the government is just using the label as a public relations tool - to create the appearance that progress is being made in a closely scrutinized investigation.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/lazarus/20050526.html

 

[tinner007]

So we've presented a circumstancial case against DR, are you prepared to offer something better?

Where is this circumstantial case? There is nothing....never has been. Evidence doesn't reach the house, criminal profile doesn't match, no history with him or within the family...nothing.

From where the footprints end in the driveway, 120 ft, please explain how your "guy" traversed the other 1600 ft of remaining driveway please. And remember the last footprint points in a south, slightly south-westerly direction and is also 4 to 5 ft from the edge of the driveway....

Maybe they need to start requiring a required IQ score to become an investigator, that's one solution to the problem.

38% of crimes solved....I'd be embarrassed to say I worked there if I did. 38% is unacceptable, still baffled at how Sanner won re-election!

 

[human]

I wonder if priests had scanners in their cars? Or some kind of device so they could be oncall for tragedies?

Do you think St. john's Abbey has specially encrypted software that has impossible codes?

I bet the Vatcian does.

 

[ELOCsoul]

I've written many many presentence investigations regarding murders, child molests, stalkers, etc. From my opinion, and this is only an opinion, the type of child molester a priest is, is an entirely different type of offender that someone who kidnaps a stranger by force. I would not waste much time on the priests and the scandals. There is a huge difference between offenses against strangers and offenses against someone you know. Evidence based assessments for recidivism and danger to the community see that part of a crime a huge indicator to how violent someone would be. 2 different ballparks.

The problem I have with statistical probabilities though, is there are always outliers. If 90% of criminals of a certain type fit within a strict profile, it means 10% do not, for example. We know that there are several characteristics of Jacob's abductor that defy the odds - he wore a mask, he left witnesses, he used the threat of a gun, he was waiting in an isolated area.

Remember also, that the Abbey implemented a sexual abuse policy in February of 1989. They wouldn't have brought this on without an underlying problem behind it. Could "talk" of this policy driven an offender off campus? Who knows. Furthermore, Wetterling investigators (FBI) did investigate the monks at the Abbey in the beginning of the investigation, and then again later (Stearns Co) when other allegations surfaced at SJU.

The other possibility that could link the abductor to the Abbey is that Jacob's abductor may himself been a victim of sexual abuse.

 

[human]

The problem I have with statistical probabilities though, is there are always outliers. If 90% of criminals of a certain type fit within a strict profile, it means 10% do not, for example. We know that there are several characteristics of Jacob's abductor that defy the odds - he wore a mask, he left witnesses, he used the threat of a gun, he was waiting in an isolated area.

Remember also, that the Abbey implemented a sexual abuse policy in February of 1989. They wouldn't have brought this on without an underlying problem behind it. Could "talk" of this policy driven an offender off campus? Who knows. Furthermore, Wetterling investigators (FBI) did investigate the monks at the Abbey in the beginning of the investigation, and then again later (Stearns Co) when other allegations surfaced at SJU.

The other possibility that could link the abductor to the Abbey is that Jacob's abductor may himself been a victim of sexual abuse.

Reading on WS I always think that now the pinnacle of depravity has been reached. There cannot be anything new.

I only read a couple of different ones as that takes enough time. But no, another weird thing comes up. Israel Keyes. What a nut. And the couple that took the two Amish girls. Slenderman kids. The LE who left the women in suitcases in Wisconsin.

Some new spin on crazy seems to manifest itself. The profilers in Virginia certainly are getting new data which maybe is more comprehensive. But who can predict someone like Jeffrey Dahmer or Ed Gein?

 

[tinner007]

The problem I have with statistical probabilities though, is there are always outliers. If 90% of criminals of a certain type fit within a strict profile, it means 10% do not, for example. We know that there are several characteristics of Jacob's abductor that defy the odds - he wore a mask, he left witnesses, he used the threat of a gun, he was waiting in an isolated area.

Remember also, that the Abbey implemented a sexual abuse policy in February of 1989. They wouldn't have brought this on without an underlying problem behind it. Could "talk" of this policy driven an offender off campus? Who knows. Furthermore, Wetterling investigators (FBI) did investigate the monks at the Abbey in the beginning of the investigation, and then again later (Stearns Co) when other allegations surfaced at SJU.

The other possibility that could link the abductor to the Abbey is that Jacob's abductor may himself been a victim of sexual abuse.

They have no reason to leave campus, it's a buffet out there. You can still find documented evidence of those types of disgusting actions all the way up to around 2003/2004'ish. Could be longer but I myself just haven't seen anything documented or reported since old Bruce had that wild slip and fall that cost him his life. I'm sure Stearns county is working to get the official ME determination on a cause of death as I speak! (sarcasm about the cause of death for those not picking up what I'm putting down)

 

[tinner007]

It's funny how things work out there. Every time one of these monks drawing extra unneeded attention ends up dying, it's always the same Saint John's University Life Safety Services employee that is the first one there to find the person deceased. Though not 100% sure I believe Bruce took his horrendous tumble rather late in the evening. I just remember thinking how odd it is for the director of Saint John's University Life Safety Services to be working at that time, it's almost like he has a sixth sense and knows a deceased monk is waiting to be found. Just strange I guess...or bad luck, however you wanna look at it.

 

[human]

Technology advanced this case from 1986.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Charges-Filed-In-1986-Death-of-Kathy-Engle-OK

 

[shergal]

They have no reason to leave campus, it's a buffet out there. You can still find documented evidence of those types of disgusting actions all the way up to around 2003/2004'ish. Could be longer but I myself just haven't seen anything documented or reported since old Bruce had that wild slip and fall that cost him his life. I'm sure Stearns county is working to get the official ME determination on a cause of death as I speak! (sarcasm about the cause of death for those not picking up what I'm putting down)

I think (so, JMO) St. John's campus is not under Stearns County LE jurisdiction, but I'll check to make sure. I've always heard that it is its own little "city" - sort of like the Vatican, but on a much smaller scale. Which is why they were able to hide so many offenses. But I could be totally wrong. I know Stearns LE looked into Josh Guimond's death (at least they went out there, not sure how much actual investigation went on). But St. John's seemed to have the power to ban Josh's dad from the campus, and I don't think that would fly in a regular town. I'll see if I can find anything on that.

Or do you know if Stearns LE was called at all when Bruce fell and died? Maybe after clean-up??

 

[human]

I think most colleges and universities are like this. It says they have their own security and request LE support when deemed appropriate.

http://www.csbsju.edu/csb-security/annual-crime-fire-safety-report#CrimePrevention


Students, employees and guests of CSB and SJU are encouraged to report all criminal activity and other emergencies to campus security. CSB Department of Security and SJU Department of Life Safety Services are the security offices to which all criminal reports are to be procesed. Security officers will request assistance from law enforcement, rescue, fire and ambulance as appropriate. CSB and SJU reported crime documentation is forwarded to local law enforcement officials for follow up investigations and victims assistance. Members of the campus community are strongly encouraged to adhere to all local, state and federal laws and college rules of conduct. members of the campus community violating laws or college/university policies are referred into the campus judicial system for appropriate action.

 

[human]

I am not sure if they always reported to LE or if this is a new requirement.

 

[tinner007]

I think (so, JMO) St. John's campus is not under Stearns County LE jurisdiction, but I'll check to make sure. I've always heard that it is its own little "city" - sort of like the Vatican, but on a much smaller scale. Which is why they were able to hide so many offenses. But I could be totally wrong. I know Stearns LE looked into Josh Guimond's death (at least they went out there, not sure how much actual investigation went on). But St. John's seemed to have the power to ban Josh's dad from the campus, and I don't think that would fly in a regular town. I'll see if I can find anything on that.

Or do you know if Stearns LE was called at all when Bruce fell and died? Maybe after clean-up??

Hastings police seemed to have no issues at all typing up a search warrant and leaving with 7 personal files just last month. No private land in the United States has it's own laws...not SJU, not reservations...maybe that place that doesn't exist in Nevada, they kinda do what they want.

 

[tinner007]

I am not sure if they always reported to LE or if this is a new requirement.

One with any morals at all would think that sexual predators preying on children, contacting LE would be common sense and automatic