MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #17

[Sasquatch321]

Rassier and his parents drove off the property about 7:30 a.m.

This was the third time since Wetterling's abduction in 1989 that investigators converged on the family farm near the site of the boy's disappearance.

Neighbors reported seeing several unmarked law enforcement vehicles Wednesday morning on the property. Aerial photos showed as many as 17 vehicles, all-terrain vehicles and trailers. Earth-moving equipment was also reported.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_15415801

 

[nmogren]

No. That's not what he said. First, there is no reference at all as to when the helicopters were airborne around the property. Second, Dan has repeatedly said that while he was out checking the buildings that the helicopter was flying near the woods and fields. The interviewer implied that there must have been helicopters and sirens and Dan noted he "was asleep". Show me a timeline of when the helicopters arrived. This can be compared to when the 911 call was placed giving a definitive timeline as to when the helicopter arrived. THAN, if he was asleep with a copter overhead you can continue <mod snip> about him sleeping through the helicopter buzzing around.

"He heads back down the road/driveway and searches the outbuildings. Every one of them. You would think there would be cops everywhere, but Dan said there were not. A helicopter was searching the woods and fields around his house, but as far as he knows, there were no cops who came down into the yard all night… just the few up by the woodpile earlier."
http://www.joybaker.com/2013/02/23/dans-story-2/

If you look back a page or 2, the sheriff said he was in the air by 10:30.


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[bucshunter]

Rassier and his parents drove off the property about 7:30 a.m.

This was the third time since Wetterling's abduction in 1989 that investigators converged on the family farm near the site of the boy's disappearance.

Neighbors reported seeing several unmarked law enforcement vehicles Wednesday morning on the property. Aerial photos showed as many as 17 vehicles, all-terrain vehicles and trailers. Earth-moving equipment was also reported.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_15415801

Sas 2010 buddy...been quite a while since this case has had any movement. Let's find the real perp

 

[Sasquatch321]

Sas 2010 buddy...been quite a while since this case has had any movement. Let's find the real perp

I am, That's why I'm asking questions that have no answer.

"Investigators in recent weeks developed probable cause that led to the search of the property, he said. They were then able to get additional resources to help with the search."

They suddenly developed probable cause, something that then allowed them to call up a cadaver dog from Louisiana. Does anyone involved with this case have the answer yet as to what was developed that led to these searches?

 

[nmogren]

I think Kevin was witness to something that spooked him into not talking. If the perp was on foot or his car was a ways away, it would take him a little bit to get Jacob out of the area. Kevin drove over the entire area shortly after the kidnapping. There is a possibility that he saw something.


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[Sasquatch321]

I think Kevin was witness to something that spooked him into not talking. If the perp was on foot or his car was a ways away, it would take him a little bit to get Jacob out of the area. Kevin drove over the entire area shortly after the kidnapping. There is a possibility that he saw something.


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I think Kevin saw Dan just like Dan saw him.

 

[human]

I think Kevin saw Dan just like Dan saw him.

Why would Kevin not tell that?

 

[human]

http://www.twincities.com/ci_15424697

Ralph Bell, a former Newsleader editor, wrote the 2008 profile of Rassier. At the time, he said Thursday, he didn't know police had searched the family's farm previously or taken a DNA sample from Rassier.

But knowing that Rassier lived near the site of the abduction, Bell said he asked, "It must have been quite a night there for you and your parents, with all the hubbub going on?"

Bell said Rassier replied that his parents were overseas at the time.

"I said, 'You must have heard something?' " Bell said. "There were helicopters, sirens going off. He said, 'No, I was asleep.' "

Bell said Rassier struck him as "a sweet guy, soft spoken, smiling" and that by recollecting the conversation, he wasn't trying to point his finger at him.

 

[human]

I did not know Jacob affected campus security as well.

What a tragic situation that affected the lives of so many in positive ways.

The abductor can hide under his rock, but Jacob's light shines on.

Current UW-Barron County Annual Security Report

The Campus Sex Crimes Prevention Act of 2000 (CSCPA) is an amendment to the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Registration Act. The CSCPA requires sex offenders to provide notice of enrollment or employment at any institution of higher education (IHE) in that state where the offender resides, as well as notice of each change of enrollment or employment status at the IHE. Learn more at the Wiscon

 

[human]

Interesting info

https://uta-ir.tdl.org/uta-ir/bitst...on_uta_2502M_10049.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[shergal]

No. That's not what he said. First, there is no reference at all as to when the helicopters were airborne around the property. Second, Dan has repeatedly said that while he was out checking the buildings that the helicopter was flying near the woods and fields. The interviewer implied that there must have been helicopters and sirens and Dan noted he "was asleep". Show me a timeline of when the helicopters arrived. This can be compared to when the 911 call was placed giving a definitive timeline as to when the helicopter arrived. THAN, if he was asleep with a copter overhead you can continue <mod snip> about him sleeping through the helicopter buzzing around.

"He heads back down the road/driveway and searches the outbuildings. Every one of them. You would think there would be cops everywhere, but Dan said there were not. A helicopter was searching the woods and fields around his house, but as far as he knows, there were no cops who came down into the yard all night… just the few up by the woodpile earlier."
http://www.joybaker.com/2013/02/23/dans-story-2/

Charlie Grafft's pager went off just as he was sitting down to watch the 10 o'clock news. A boy had been abducted. The crime scene was a mere four miles from the Stearns County Sheriff's house. When Grafft arrived, the sheriff was struck by the discarded bikes and the scooter laying in the ditch.

"I looked everything over and said, 'Oh boy, this is going to be a job,'" said Grafft.

Grafft and his deputies searched with flashlights for three hours and only found a faint tire print.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/LAW/11/19/ctv.wetterling/

By 10 P.M. police were already combing the site, and Stearns County Sheriff Charlie Grafft had called in a state police helicopter to join the town's volunteer fire department in the search. By midnight the FBI was on the case. Meanwhile, Patty was calling her neighbors, and Jerry was contacting his fellow members of the pacifist Baha'i faith, who started a telephone prayer tree. After hearing the news, Iverson arrived at the Wetterling house at 1:30 A.M. and just after dawn started phoning the local radio and TV stations. "We wanted people to know right away in the morning," Patty says, "so they could be looking for Jacob on their way to work." By 11 A.M., reporters were arriving on the scene en masse, and the abduction was blossoming into a full-scale media event.
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20115979,00.html

Just some notes on the current timeline we're using. According to news accounts Grafft was up in the air in a helicopter by 10:30 - possibly 10:45. He arrived on scene at the abduction after being paged, and he was paged just as 10 pm news was about to start. So allowing him 10 minutes to get to abduction scene, (he only lived 4 miles away, and there wouldn’t be much traffic that late on Sunday night) he would have looked at bikes at abduction scene for maybe 5 minutes? So 10:10 - 10:15. Then he drove to Wetterlings house, talked to excited boys, that would take a little while. Wetterlings drive was 20 minutes according to ELOC, not as long as shown in the timeline. I’d agree with that having driven it. Merle called Patty and Jerry after hanging up with 911 at 9:40. So they would have been arriving around 10:05-10:10. Wetterlings went straight to the house with the escort and did not stop at scene. Grafft would have probably arrived at house around the same time. I’m sure he spent some time discussing with them also. DR’s call to 911 is not until 11:23 when he saw lights by his woodpile. In above link it says Grafft and deputies searched for 3 hours with flashlights. If Kevin was at the crime scene before LE, or Grafft, then he must have been there before 10 pm. (ALL JMO, feel free to add or make changes.)

 

[human]

Seens to be differences in what DR says vs what the LE were doing,

DR missed the sirens and the helicopter flying so low with bright lights.

 

[Sasquatch321]

You know what doesn't make sense guys? The fact that the cedar chest with what according to DR says there may be ancient old blood residue on it, was not discovered until 2010. But LE had searched the house 5 days after the abduction AND again when they seized his hard drive years later.

 

[Ifollowthis]

I think Kevin saw Dan just like Dan saw him.

I think so too.

 

[Ifollowthis]

You know what doesn't make sense guys? The fact that the cedar chesty with what according to DR says there may be ancient old blood residue on it, was not discovered until 2010. But LE had searched the house 5 days after the abduction AND again when they seized his hard drive years later.

I thought the chest was store in the rafters of the garage, thought I read that somewhere.....

 

[human]

You know what doesn't make sense guys? The fact that the cedar chest with what according to DR says there may be ancient old blood residue on it, was not discovered until 2010. But LE had searched the house 5 days after the abduction AND again when they seized his hard drive years later.

Blood does not look like blood. I think the cadaver dog hit on it. I don't think LE was looking for something like that. They looked through computers earlier. They must have had a search warrant?

 

[human]

I think so too.

So why did Kevin not report this? Remember he told he was there in 2003. Nothing happened until 2010.

 

[Ifollowthis]

Has anyone ever wondered if Dan did not say anything about the car until in school the next day because he wanted to try and describe it like the car used in Jared's abduction and could not remember what that was without looking at the memo. I am making an assumption that school staff was made aware of the abdutors Car in Jerod case.

DR. knew who the perp was but also knew there were tracks from Kevin's car and wanted to throw the investigators off of the track yet did not want to describe Kevins car, (which he may have recognized as people in small towns know what everybody drives) because he knew Kevin was not the perp but knew describing A car could send LE on a wild goose chase trying to match tire tracks. While all the time he knows that Jacob is taken away in a car with tracks that had reason to be there in his driveway.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I thought the chest was store in the rafters of the garage, thought I read that somewhere.....

Yes, they found the cedar chest in the loft above the garage, and because it had been in the house before, LE then went and got another warrant to go into the house. Where they found the videotspes, letter, diary, and news clippings. When was the chest in the house, not in 89?

 

[StinkSprings]

I wish you luck in submitting the proposal. I look forward to having a non-DR related discussion.

The ideal situation is to have all discussions shared easily in one thread just in case anyone has a good insight or other information. Unshared information silos are no doubt contributing to the failure in solving this case.

There was a second thread started for Johnny Gosch when the primary thread became dominated by those advancing one explanation and one explanation only - a vast conspiracy of Right Wing Pedophiles who hunted boys in the Midwest. I didn't know we had to ask permission to start a separate thread but I will happily do so if we truly can't talk here without a constant barrage of pleas to look at one explanation and one explanation only. Everyone likely has something to offer.
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Here's a scenario for you:

Kevin is out that night just being a general bored young person in a small town and perhaps visits the party spot(s) he told Joy about around 91st Street. He already is very familiar with DR's driveway and knows it's not a public road - the idea he would go all the way to DR's house and turn around is absurd. So, he's definitely in DR's driveway that night, this is beyond dispute. BUT, perhaps he is in the area for some modestly embarrassing reason: to drink beer in the woods, to smoke pot, have sex with his girlfriend, or whatever. He's been there before for similar reasons he admits.

I assume he at no time spoke to the cops that night since there is no record of it.

BUT, and this is critical...Kevin isn't in the area because of the ridiculous scanner story that doesn't make sense, he's already in the area, probably for some fairly harmless reason noted above. Perhaps he's even one of the cars the boys see on their way to the Tom Thumb. If Kevin is not a part of the crime, he and his girlfriend likely have testimony about the scene of the crime, about the boys, about the Tom Thumb, about what is going on around 91st Street this night, about who else he may have seen that night, about other vehicles seen that night, or about DR.

If Kevin's timing as given 14+ years after the crime is off by even 10-20 minutes, Kevin is an important material witness to much more than bikes strewn on the side of the road and a "medical cop". All of this scenario goes a long way to explaining why it took so long for Kevin's story to be made public (I believe the cops likely already knew Kevin's story starting from very early in the investigation).



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