MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #8

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From the earlier set of photos we looked at (page 17 or so) we saw:

1. A foot print indicating a vertical, upward push
2. That push facing the position of a car
3. That car's tire rolling just across the toe section of that foot
4. The tire and shoe impressions appearing to be about the same "age"
5. Footprints and tire tracks consistent with being lifted into an open top automobile
6. The dog scent that disappeared, apparently extending just a few feet up the driveway from the last footprint, as if carried in a car.

Makes it quite unlikely to have been laid in this manner by chance. Therefore, to conclude that JEW was not picked up by a car requires we take on some pretty heavy handed assumptions. Not impossible, but unlikely, it seems.

Since the only fresh tire track that was present has been positively associated with the open top Grand Prix driven that night by "Kevin"; ergo, K+K picked JEW up.

My conclusion was that the “clearing” of K+K was faulty, at least until more information is available, based on our discussion of alibis in which we all seemed to agree that using relatives as alibis doesn’t really “clear” someone.

In order to evaluate the last two paragraphs, I used a loaded logic which assumed DR was guilty. In it, I showed that the simplest explanation would be that if DR were involved he colluded with K+K. This is simpler than other explanations but, by definition, is still not the simplest possible explanation, which was my point.

The simplest explanation that explains the evidence in the driveway is that K+K picked JEW up or an unknown car picked him up; and that DR was not involved.

The images I just saw do not appear consistent with the tracks we see in the other pics, so I’m guessing they are from somewhere else, such as the turn-around area. In it, you can see one track that looks fresher than all the others. This could be K+K turning around at the top of the driveway, perhaps? It also shows that only one car with fresh tracks reached the turnaround; ergo, it was the Grand Prix.

Conclusion: K+K most likely abducted JEW, based solely on the crime scene evidence alone (I’ll look at other stuff as I go). To eliminate this option, K+K must be eliminated with a clear and convincing alibi.

~ svh
 
Do we know what part of the driveway this is? It looks pretty wide in this picture, is it up by the house or by the abduction scene?

I think this is up by the house. That's why we see a fresh turn. It is not consistent with the prints we see in the other photos that show JEW's last impression, imo.

~ svh
 
Disclaimer, please read first: this is not a conclusion but is where I’m at after looking at the driveway and little else. Please keep that in mind. I've looked at this case all of about one week and I have a whole lot to learn, with a lot more data dumping on the horizon.

The challenge in this case is that the behaviors demonstrated at this crime scene are different depending on whether or not the personalities present kidnapped the victim by foot or car. In other words, it is precisely this final moment in the abduction that serves as the fulcrum for understanding the psychology present.

It is well-known in criminology that something like 85% of persons on death row can be shown clinically to harbor a personality disorder. But testing for these often generates false negatives because the subjects are so good at deception. For this reason, it is almost certain that percentage is closer to 100%. And these persons come from all backgrounds, including very intelligent persons from a high SES. The lesson for anyone looking at the crime scene of a capital crime is that it is almost certain a personality disorder was present. This is a powerful clue because a limited range of behavior types are highly predictable with personality disorders while with “normal” subjects they are not. This is their weakness, and a clever person with experiential, personal experience with Axis II persons can spot this easily. So, the first step on a crime scene should be to identify the type of disorder present. Once you know this, behaviors for which no direct evidence exists are reliably predictable, provided you have a good understanding of what specific behaviors are predictable and which ones are not. Thus, this subset of predictable behaviors will overlap with the sufferer’s modus operandi. This can then be used to guide investigators toward the collection of more direct evidence.

So it can be said that the same personality that lifted a “stranger” of approximately 75 pounds onto his back and ran a distance probably not greater than 100 meters is the same personality that posed a nonsensical question to JEW and two minor witnesses; that is, the personality was actively engaged in deception at the crime scene. We can understand this if we imagine S1 (our suspect) running JEW up the driveway, then slowing to a walk as he left the driveway. This is consistent with flight as the primary concern; that is, a desire to augment the distance from the crime scene that is maximum at the crime scene itself. But doing the reverse is a sign of a thinking sufferer who is concerned with appearances and deception. He is concerned with moving rapidly at key points in the flight, not just generally. Right now, this draws our attention to Histrionic Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder. We’ll see more as we go.

Likewise, the same personalities that colluded to kidnap an 11 year old child in the prosaic, rapid manner they did are the same personalities that openly and credibly reported their presence at the crime scene on or about 2003 or 2004. If the evidence at the crime scene represents abduction by lifting a child into a car without opening the doors, this suggests what we’d expect with a personality or personalities who have prioritized flight “correctly”. They are not “thinking” about deception as much. Right now, this draws our attention to Anti-Social Personality because the elements of deception and histrionics are features associated with other personality disorders. Clearly, they are nasty folks likely guilty of a capital crime, but now we know more.

The same personality that transmitted disinformation to the authorities via two minor witnesses is the same personality that harbored a magical belief in his or her ability to abduct an 11 year old at the foot of his or her own driveway and not be suspected of the act. The street smarts and dark humor involved in putting out this mythos about ages is clever and characteristic of a particular personality type; that of the malignant narcissist (malignant is a catch-all that usually refers to an NPD with features of anti-social).

Due to a lack of information, it is unknown why the personality that abducted this child by car posed questions related to the child’s age, but the source of that request almost certainly came from a female. In the case of a car being involved, we don’t see the runner personality that would substantiate a pattern of NPD-like features. Rather, we see what is only a circumstantial oddity we need to explain. So, this wasn’t likely the result of an attempt to deceive.

The same personality that designed disinformation is the same personality that found not only utility but wild humor in the act itself. Now NPD waxes strong, as this is a condescending and edifying goal of the designer. Every single person who reads about the case was the intended audience, and the intention is to prove to his ego how stupid they are and how smart he is as they go and chase wild leads about the “boy’s ages”.

The same personality that abducted a child by lifting the victim to his back is a personality most likely to be an Axis II Narcissistic Personality and who harbored a magical belief in his intimacy with the victim. Combined with the identification of this personality supra with that of a personality dissembling with dark humor, this personality was most likely moderate to severe Axis II and not a good candidate for treatment. Finally, the NPD pattern is salient to anyone with intimate experience with personality disorders. With the addition of some formal education, it is possible to quickly “size up” the personality from viewing a crime scene. Given the presence of, and pathological affinity for, deception, there is also the likelihood that the firearm used was a replica or stage gun.

Combining the feature set, this personality most likely harbored an Axis II Narcissistic Personality with features of Axis II Anti-Social and Axis II Histrionic Personality.

The “immature” aspects of this crime, dressing goofy with hose on his head and a stage gun, most likely derive of Histrionic Personality Disorder as associated with the primary disorder of Narcissistic Personality.

Combining the foregoing, this runner personality was most likely above average intelligence and therefore rare in this type of felony. The personality that abducted a child preoccupied only with aspects of flight (as opposed to a flight planned to conceal information), and who exposed themselves years later by credibly reporting to have been at the crime scene in an automobile, is most likely of lower than average intelligence.

The same personality preoccupied with aspects of flight (as normally expected) was the same personality who posed questions at the direction of a confederate who was herself most likely female. The reasons for the inquiry, at least to the culprits, was prosaic.

Both confederates using an automobile most likely harbored an Axis II Anti-Social Personality with co-morbidities unknown due to a lack of information. One or both of these two persons likely had imagined or real connections to law enforcement. Due to this lack of information, a determination of the disposition of the victim is not possible. Nor is it likely to be able to predict, based on the disorder presenting in both confederates and other details, the disposition of best evidence, if it exists.

The victim’s behavior at the crime scene provided no indications of the presence of a personality disorder and, at that age, would have been an unstable indicator in any case. Rather, the victim demonstrated a personality consistent with an influencing component vice a dominant component (Axis I): this victim most likely would have attempted to negotiate their safety rather than fight or escape. This finding is weak as it is derived of only two indicators left at the scene.

The same personality that harbored a moderate to severe Axis II Narcissistic Personality was most likely male (crime scene only), most likely had a dark sense of humor, most likely feels immense shame over the event to the extent that it harms their public reputation, most likely employed a replica firearm in the attack, most likely is employed in an occupation which gives him access to children in the same age range as the victim, most likely took the victim to a basement or hidden dwelling (but probably his own dwelling) within 100 meters of the last known impression of JEW, likely sexually assaulted him for approximately one hour, and likely murdered him with a blunt instrument.

In this case, this victim most likely expired at approximately 10:40 p.m. 22 October 1989 local time with a cause of death most likely blunt force trauma to the head. Given the intelligence of the sufferer, the victim’s remains were most likely not left intact, and were likely processed either by cutting, grinding or incineration or some combination thereof. Those remains most likely were removed from the property early by foot and buried along an accessible foot trail within 5 miles of the sufferer’s property. Investigators should seek shallow graves containing bone or ash or both within 50 feet of all known trails leading from that property at that time. Investigators should be aware of the possible presence of personal items of the victim indiscriminately mixed within but not all of which will be found (which should not be surprising, but some items may have been deliberately kept by the sufferer). Indications by the sufferer that something “might” be found on his property are a clever, passive ruse.

The evidentiary cleanup likely occurred in a two-stage “dissembling assembly” of evidence whereby a quick cleanup was performed initially. As we’ve seen before, the second stage likely occurred right under the noses of authorities. Several hours into the night, a more complete cleanup occurred which might have extended into the next 3 days. All evidence was likely removed within 4 days. Stage 1 likely completed at approximately 11:20 p.m. 22 October, 1989 local time. Due to the staging nature of the cleanup, a “holding area” on the property probably existed at one time.

The victim, in the one case, was an 11 year-old child, was smaller and weaker than his attacker, likely attempted to engage his attacker with means not understood by a personality of this kind, was terrorized by an abduction and threat of a firearm, was taken alone into unfamiliar surroundings, likely heard the arrival of a State police helicopter, was likely attacked by a person harboring a moderate to severe personality disorder, was likely the victim of a strong male who acted with cool deliberation, speed, strength and ruthlessness of agency; and likely suffered not less than 85 minutes. The victim’s tarry of expiration (start of attack to code blue) was likely about 10 minutes.

This was an aggravated first degree murder with malice and forethought, a felony abduction of a minor, a felony sexual assault of a minor, a felony physical assault of a minor and an unlawful detention of a minor. This attacker is unusually dangerous due to the combination of the disorders cited and a high intelligence and it would be in the better public interest that he be institutionalized for the remainder of his natural life. The travel history of this person should be scrutinized. Any male minor still missing from places within 30 miles coincident to travel destinations and times of the sufferer should be re-examined. All like homicides should be re-opened and evaluated on account of the intelligence of the sufferer. Due to the type of disorder present, this person most likely will not kill again in the vicinity of St. Joseph, MN, but it is unlikely he stopped killing before the age of 45.

In order to justify such a search for remains, the involvement of one male and one female sufferer in an automobile should be absolutely ruled out first as the preponderance of evidence in the driveway points rather to that conclusion. Given that law enforcement has spent 25 years on this case with no result, and given the compelling circumstantial case against the two sufferers, law enforcement protestations of their innocence should be regarded as naked assertions. It would be in the better public interest for law enforcement to state clearly and fully what evidence they have that is exculpatory as this has a direct bearing on resolution of the case.

As I’ve said, we should be looking for a male and a female in an open top car whose driver goes by the name of “Kevin” OR we should be looking for an athletic man now in his 50’s who had legitimate access to the Rassier property on the night of 22 October 1989. And we do not have enough information to decide which party was responsible. I put those odds, based on very limited information, at 50/50. With more information known to be available I believe the final disposition of the victim can be resolved and the parties responsible clearly identified with a low uncertainty.

~ svh

I just want to say this is brilliant! I really think your on to something here! Thanks for the insight. I looked up histrionic personality disorder just because I was not sure of all of the traits. This may be helpful to some also. Especially regarding the trouble with intimate relationships. The person falling under this realm would exhibit boredom and at risk behavior. Interesting!

http://m.psychologytoday.com/conditions/histrionic-personality-disorder
 
I see alot of bokeh in the photo making it very hard to determine anything. But it would appear there is a fresh set of tire tracks surrounded by fainter and older tracks. I think it shows the tracks of a vehicle coming and leaving, just as kevin has said, they're his.

This is a crucial point. The track in this photo appears to be fresh and is indeed in a wide turnaround area. We see fainter tracks around. What is most interesting however, is what is not seen in the picture.

We could argue that the pic does not exhaustively show that something was not there, but more likely than not, yes, it is missing and that is conspicuous.

If K+K were not the abductors, we'd expect to see another fresh set in that turnaround, which we don't. And I'd expect it because JEW's scent continued past his footprint, suggesting he was conveyed in an automobile and his scent quickly faded.

This suggests that the only car that went up the driveway that night was the Grand Prix. And since only one car pulled over next to JEW's last impression, it was most likely the car that picked up JEW.

~ svh
 
From the earlier set of photos we looked at (page 17 or so) we saw:

1. A foot print indicating a vertical, upward push
2. That push facing the position of a car
3. That car's tire rolling just across the toe section of that foot
4. The tire and shoe impressions appearing to be about the same "age"
5. Footprints and tire tracks consistent with being lifted into an open top automobile
6. The dog scent that disappeared, apparently extending just a few feet up the driveway from the last footprint, as if carried in a car.

Makes it quite unlikely to have been laid in this manner by chance. Therefore, to conclude that JEW was not picked up by a car requires we take on some pretty heavy handed assumptions. Not impossible, but unlikely, it seems.

Since the only fresh tire track that was present has been positively associated with the open top Grand Prix driven that night by "Kevin"; ergo, K+K picked JEW up.

My conclusion was that the “clearing” of K+K was faulty, at least until more information is available, based on our discussion of alibis in which we all seemed to agree that using relatives as alibis doesn’t really “clear” someone.

In order to evaluate the last two paragraphs, I used a loaded logic which assumed DR was guilty. In it, I showed that the simplest explanation would be that if DR were involved he colluded with K+K. This is simpler than other explanations but, by definition, is still not the simplest possible explanation, which was my point.

The simplest explanation that explains the evidence in the driveway is that K+K picked JEW up or an unknown car picked him up; and that DR was not involved.

The images I just saw do not appear consistent with the tracks we see in the other pics, so I’m guessing they are from somewhere else, such as the turn-around area. In it, you can see one track that looks fresher than all the others. This could be K+K turning around at the top of the driveway, perhaps?

Conclusion: either K+K abducted JEW or we should be looking for an unknown car and driver, based solely on the crime scene evidence alone (I’ll look at other stuff as I go). To eliminate option 1, K+K must be eliminated with a clear and convincing alibi.

~ svh

K+K were eliminated in 2004 in thorough interviews with LE. For the next 6 years they looked at DR and in 2009 dug up his farm. They concluded after the search that DR is now a lone POI in this case. It was because of Kevin that we are ever so closer to solving this crime.
 
K+K were eliminated in 2004 in thorough interviews with LE. For the next 6 years they looked at DR and in 2009 dug up his farm. They concluded after the search that DR is now a lone POI in this case. It was because of Kevin that we are ever so closer to solving this crime.

I respect your view on this Sasquatch and we've discussed it before. You take LE on faith, but the problem is that we don't know their criteria. The only criteria we've been able to discern is that they claim alibis of relatives. Until that changes, I don't accept it. I just don't accept appeals to authority. And yes indeed,

it is because of Kevin that we are closer to finding out what happened to this boy.

~ svh

btw, if the evidence in the driveway begins to directly conflict with claims of authority, I go with evidence
 
So where do we go from here? There may be something to this k&k theory. I'm willing to help research. I feel as though we need guidance here ��
 
So where do we go from here? There may be something to this k&k theory. I'm willing to help research. I feel as though we need guidance here ��

So the girl who kevin had a magor crush on convinced kevin to take Jacob for her? and he has given us part 1 of the crime but is holding off on part 2 because he is scared of prison time? Give me a break.
 
To be clear to readers of Sasquatch's view, I'm suggesting we need to know who K+K are precisely because I suspect LE is engaging confirmation bias in "clearing" him. They are so sure he is cleared because of his weak alibi and ... something about him, imo. This is bad Feng Shui.

~ svh
 
So sigrun you have all kinds of theories but you have not addressed evidence that we do have. DR has kept clippings, a letter from Patty, and tv videos.

He also lied about his mother having black panty hose.

What do these things say? Certainly these kinds of things are discussed in your training.
 
So where do we go from here? There may be something to this k&k theory. I'm willing to help research. I feel as though we need guidance here ��

A local needs to identify him so we can exclude him and her. Kevin claims he is afraid "for his life" but I find this hard to believe in a 25 year-old abduction case. It's time to come clean, imo.

~ svh
 
So the girl who kevin had a magor crush on convinced kevin to take Jacob for her? and he has given us part 1 of the crime but is holding off on part 2 because he is scared of prison time? Give me a break.

Really!? Kevin had a major crush on his passenger? How do you know that?

~ svh
 
This is a crucial point. The track in this photo appears to be fresh and is indeed in a wide turnaround area. We see fainter tracks around. What is most interesting however, is what is not seen in the picture.

We could argue that the pic does not exhaustively show that something was not there, but more likely than not, yes, it is missing and that is conspicuous.

If K+K were not the abductors, we'd expect to see another fresh set in that turnaround, which we don't. And I'd expect it because JEW's scent continued past his footprint, suggesting he was conveyed in an automobile and his scent quickly faded.

This suggests that the only car that went up the driveway that night was the Grand Prix. And since only one car pulled over next to JEW's last impression, it was most likely the car that picked up JEW.

~ svh

Um, we have access to all of the crime scene photos? I hardly think so. And they let reporters on the scene to take pictures because?? ?

I think we better get real here.

And Sigrun, you said you have identified the house of K's gf. So how about some initials
 
Really!? Kevin had a major crush on his passenger? How do you know that?

~ svh

I do believe they were boyfriend and girlfriend. Close enough to have a nice big family dinner together
 
So sigrun you have all kinds of theories but you have not addressed evidence that we do have. DR has kept clippings, a letter from Patty, and tv videos.

He also lied about his mother having black panty hose.

What do these things say? Certainly these kinds of things are discussed in your training.

human, I don't have any theories yet. I don't even have a hypothesis. I'm just going where the evidence is pointing and I haven't even gotten out of the driveway yet. Yes, you are right, there are tons of things to look at for DR. It could very much be him. I'm looking at one microcosm of the case right now. For my part, I have to assemble all this stuff then start looking at probative value. I can't even make a probative claim yet. This is just odds-making right now. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just asking questions that are coming up from the crime scene itself.

~ svh
 
I'm just trying to make something "just" out of something so unrealistic.

Right, but why is it so "unrealistic" if you don't even know who he is? That seems like a remarkable claim. What are you hanging on to so positively exclude this person? Just the LE claim?

~ svh
 
A local needs to identify him so we can exclude him and her. Kevin claims he is afraid "for his life" but I find this hard to believe in a 25 year-old abduction case. It's time to come clean, imo.

~ svh

I hardly think Kevin is afraid for his life. He was interviewed with DR in a tape no one can access anymore, Seen on TV by tons of people.

He sat down with DR and Joy, so that is hardly secret.

We have NO idea why he was cleared by LE. None. But cleared he was so LE could persecute DR? yup. That makes sense. Not!
 
I do believe they were boyfriend and girlfriend. Close enough to have a nice big family dinner together

Right, but having dinner together does not by itself suggest Kevin had a big crush on her. Big distinction.

~ svh
 
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