Thank you! I know this to be true too. It also helps the mom to get child support.
MN MN - Madeline Jane Kingsbury, 26, mother of 2, Winona 31 Mar 2023
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Court documents obtained by Fox News Digital and a law enforcement statement paint a different picture of what's happening behind the scenes in Winona, Minnesota.
"At one point, (Fravel) took the younger child into the residence and locked the door despite being told that the children were in the care and custody of Winona County," a petition filed April 4 by Winona County Health and Human Services just days after Kingsbury was last seen alleges
Madeline Kingsbury: Court docs, Minnesota police contradict claims from father of missing woman's kids
Court documents revealed Adam Fravel doesn't have custodial rights of the children that he had with missing Minnesota mom Madeline Kingsbury and allege a volatile standoff with Fravel.www.foxnews.com
Further muddying the waters is an emailed statement by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA), which is assisting the Winona Police in Kingsbury's search, that said it's "not aware of any law enforcement advising Mr. Fravel not to attend news conferences or search(es) for Madeline."
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He's definitely not going to get custody by refusing to give the kids to CPS during the investigation. I'm afraid that if more things come to light that point at the father that he will use those kids as a bargaining chip/hostage situation or he may actually kill them. People backed in to a corner will do desperate things. Does he still have the kids?
Then to put the kids in a vehicle was pretty odd to, what was he thinking? If he got that mad over them removing the kids, what would he have done to Maddi? Knowing she was going to move.
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No, he eventually put them in the car without any of their belongings (clothing, toys, etc.) from what has been reported. MOO
ETA: Madeline Kingsbury: Court docs, Minnesota police contradict claims from father
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I am so relieved the children are safe with Maddi's family. As others have mentioned, the pressure is increasing on AF, and no one knows how how he might behave/react, especially when Maddi is found. It seems as though LE has been handling him in a certain way for good reason.
Where is Maddi? He didn't have that much time, they know where he drove, in general. Even if he may have "placed" Maddi somewhere temporarily, thinking he would move her at a later date, surely he realizes they are watching him, right? Surely they have searched his parents' property?? Its right off of Highway 43 .
Where is Maddi? He didn't have that much time, they know where he drove, in general. Even if he may have "placed" Maddi somewhere temporarily, thinking he would move her at a later date, surely he realizes they are watching him, right? Surely they have searched his parents' property?? Its right off of Highway 43 .
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According to a court petition, the Winona Police Department notified the Winona County Health and Human Services (WCHHS) on April 4 for a 72-hour hold on Maddi's children since her whereabouts are unknown and her disappearance may have been "Involuntary and suspicious."
Social workers and law enforcement officials tried to implement the 72-hour hold at Fravel’s parent's house, where the children were staying. However, Fravel and his family allegedly did not cooperate with officials and refused to permit social workers to meet with the children, according to the petition.
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Social workers and law enforcement officials tried to implement the 72-hour hold at Fravel’s parent's house, where the children were staying. However, Fravel and his family allegedly did not cooperate with officials and refused to permit social workers to meet with the children, according to the petition.
Madeline Kingsbury: Court denies custody rights to father of missing woman's children
A judge ordered the two children of missing Winona, Minnesota mother Madeline Kingsbury to remain in the care of social services as their father, Adam Fravel, does not have legal custody, according to court records.
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I took that part of the article as meaning AF put or help put the kids in the social workers car, but put the kids in the wrong car seats.
Which leaves me to wondering if the car seats were actually the car seats Maddi used for the kids or were the car seats already in the social workers car.
Was it stress of the moment that caused him to place the children in the wrong seats or lack of experience transporting them.
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From the article:According to a court petition, the Winona Police Department notified the Winona County Health and Human Services (WCHHS) on April 4 for a 72-hour hold on Maddi's children since her whereabouts are unknown and her disappearance may have been "Involuntary and suspicious."
Social workers and law enforcement officials tried to implement the 72-hour hold at Fravel’s parent's house, where the children were staying. However, Fravel and his family allegedly did not cooperate with officials and refused to permit social workers to meet with the children, according to the petition.
Madeline Kingsbury: Court denies custody rights to father of missing woman's children
A judge ordered the two children of missing Winona, Minnesota mother Madeline Kingsbury to remain in the care of social services as their father, Adam Fravel, does not have legal custody, according to court records.
The case was brought before a judge on April 7 as an emergency protective care hearing and the judge issued a decision on April 12 that the children would not be released into Fravel’s care at this time.
"The children shall remain in their current placement at this time as it is in their best interest" and the "care, custody and control [of the children] is transferred to Winona County Health and Human Services," the order reads in part.
The WCHHS will determine visitation rights between the children and Fravel. The judge scheduled a pre-trial hearing on May 15 with a trial set for June 6.
The kids should be in the Witness Protection Program.
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Madeline Kingsbury: Timeline of her disappearance and death investigation
Madeline Jane Kingsbury, 26, went missing on March 31, her body was found off a remote Minnesota highway on June 7th. Here's what we know about the investigation so far.
I'm not buying their timeline:Madeline Kingsbury: Timeline of her disappearance and death investigation
Madeline Jane Kingsbury, 26, went missing on March 31, her body was found off a remote Minnesota highway on June 7th. Here's what we know about the investigation so far.
"requested residents along Highway 43 to check for any signs of disturbance or other suspicious activities between 8 a.m. on March 31 and 4 p.m. on April 1."
Did the kids actually see their mom on 31st, or did dad say 'she's not feeling good this morning and needs to sleep -- I'll take you to school today' - then drop them off where noone could see who was in the truck?
If so, it opens up the several hours before the kids woke up -- lots of time to move an already-deceased mom.
AFAIK this timeline is based solely on what dad said -- am I wrong?
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As an attorney in this area, I’ve had a different experience as far as ROP frequency.
Either way, even if he establishes the legal relationship now, I don’t predict that he is going to be available to exercise much PT.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!Totally agree!
Thanks - do you remember the source? TIA
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Good, the court bought some time for the children which gives LE breathing space to continue investigating. In case the father has knowledge of what happened to Madeline it’s better for the children to be in a safe place. MOO
This may not be a fair judgment. To say he d didn’t have “joint custody” is comparing apples to oranges. AF and MK were not as yet separated physically. They were living together and by all accounts he had been living with and raising the children from birth. AF may have been completely blind-sided by this and not realized his custody was in question, having raised them as their father since birth. I can imagine if something happened to a partner be it accident or heart attack or what have you and CPS showed up to take your kids you would also be upset. That being said, I wonder if CPS only shows up in situations like this if there is another party asking for custody or making CPS aware of the situation. Not saying it’s inappropriate or I wouldn’t do the same thing if my family member was missing. Just saying I understand his anger/actions at his children being taken.
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