GUILTY MO - Eddie Salazar, 8 months, Carthage, 4 February 2010

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Thanks gliving - I'll keep watching this thread...
 
Nothing new. Parents's names still not released (although we can figure out the dad's); search continues.

Joplin Globe update adds no new info (Joplin's in the same county - Jasper - as Carthage, and about fifteen miles south):

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_037100012.html

P.S. Carthage's Jasper County courthouse is a great old building, the most distinctive courthouse in this part of the country, worth a look - here's where the guilty will be arraigned, I think:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JasperCountyCourthouse.JPG
 
CHICANA said:
We know Dad's name. The baby is Eddie Salazar Jr.


Put in the name and check out the pic of the guy I think is Dad. IMO, he looks just like little Eddie.
https://web.mo.gov/doc/offSearchWeb/searchOffender.do
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I agree this is the dad. He did some time but seems to have been staying out of trouble from his release in '03 until this past October when he was arrested for a DWI... his address in '09 was in Carthage, but not the address listed for the Amber Alert. He had a court date on 1/26 that has been continued until March...
 
No more news about the early morning traffic stop with the 2 men and the baby?

That really peaked my interest.
 
Police are not releasing the names of either parent, but did say that several adults were home at the time of the abduction. Dagnan said he did not think that drugs were involved. Two men wearing ski masks entered the home.


I would bet this is a Mexican drug ransom kidnapping. One of those adults ripped off a mexican drug ring.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_story_036125334.html
 
Dr.Fessel said:
Police are not releasing the names of either parent, but did say that several adults were home at the time of the abduction. Dagnan said he did not think that drugs were involved. Two men wearing ski masks entered the home.


I would bet this is a Mexican drug ransom kidnapping. One of those adults ripped off a mexican drug ring.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_story_036125334.html
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Later reports indicated that only the father and the toddler were at the house when the baby was kidnapped. (If the baby was kidnapped.)

As for "Mexican drug ransom kidnapping" and "Mexican drug ring," can you throw in any other stereotypes? The family's Hispanic, so it must involve drugs, rip offs, and child theft?
 
would this be a duplex? perhaps that is why the confusion about other adults in the house.
 
It does appear to be a problem in Carthage, which may be why the family is trying to stay quiet:

As a street gang in the United States, the Sur 13 (Surenos) exist in every major city and all states. Specifically, they have been reported in the following cities (see below for schools and international locations):
* Carthage, Missouri

http://www.insideprison.com/prison_gang_profile_SUR_13.asp
 
wfgodot said:
Later reports indicated that only the father and the toddler were at the house when the baby was kidnapped. (If the baby was kidnapped.)

As for "Mexican drug ransom kidnapping" and "Mexican drug ring," can you throw in any other stereotypes? The family's Hispanic, so it must involve drugs, rip offs, and child theft?
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I think the fact the 2 masked men came in beat up the dad, ransacked the house and took the baby points to something like a drug ring. The fact they are Hispanic may very well add "Mexican" in front of it.

I really don't think Doc was trying to stereotype it. Just going by facts and coming up with a theory. My first thought was the exact same thing.
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
I think the fact the 2 masked men came in beat up the dad, ransacked the house and took the baby points to something like a drug ring. The fact they are Hispanic may very well add "Mexican" in front of it.

I really don't think Doc was trying to stereotype it. Just going by facts and coming up with a theory. My first thought was the exact same thing.
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If your "first thought was the exact same thing," that rather proves my point about stereotyping. It always provokes a knee-jerk response.

Not saying you're incorrect. It may well be. But basing a quick likelihood on the scant facts available here - that if Hispanics are involved, it's a drug thing - doesn't seem to me to be a conclusion that has much logic behind it.

Hey, maybe I'm just sensitive; my best friend's dad swam the Big River, got a job, worked hard, got deported, came back to the States legally, worked all his life, and produced one of the finest families I've ever known.
 
I will point out here that it may not be the parents' drug use that has caused this kidnapping. There was a case out of NV where a young boy was kidnapped because of his Grandfather's drug dealings. The child did NOT live with his Grandfather. Fortunately, the child was recovered unharmed.

So this case could also be related to a relative or friend or something.....

Salem
 
wfgodot said:
If your "first thought was the exact same thing," that rather proves my point about stereotyping. It always provokes a knee-jerk response.

Not saying you're incorrect. It may well be. But basing a quick likelihood on the scant facts available here - that if Hispanics are involved, it's a drug thing - doesn't seem to me to be a conclusion that has much logic behind it.

Hey, maybe I'm just sensitive; my best friend's dad swam the Big River, got a job, worked hard, got deported, came back to the States legally, worked all his life, and produced one of the finest families I've ever known.
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My first thought was not based on Hispanics being involved. My first thought was based on 2 masked men beating up the father, ransacking the house (as if looking for something-money? drugs?), and taking a baby. That's why I thought drug involvement.

The fact they are Hispanic may be why Doc said "Mexican" IMO.

I think you are taking what I said completely wrong and you are saying it's stereotyping and I don't see it that way.

The facts as we have been told support the theory IMO.
 
Kimberlyd125 said:
My first thought was not based on Hispanics being involved. My first thought was based on 2 masked men beating up the father, ransacking the house (as if looking for something-money? drugs?), and taking a baby. That's why I thought drug involvement.

The fact they are Hispanic may be why Doc said "Mexican" IMO.

I think you are taking what I said completely wrong and you are saying it's stereotyping and I don't see it that way.

The facts as we have been told support the theory IMO.
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This was also my first thought, but it was definitely because of the Hispanic angle... my sister is Mexican (same mother, different father whose parents were immigrants from Mexico) and lives in the Kansas City area... my daughter is also of Hispanic heritage although she can trace her father's family back to the 1700's before California became a part of the US. I thought drug ring or prison gang immediately.
 
Land: I found it interesting in the article you posted, the gang that is tied to the area is sometimes prision related.

Could it be the dad, if he is who we have looked into, got involved with a gang during his time in prision?

These are just theories. I have no clue what happened.

Salem: I do remember that case where the little boy was kidnapped because of the grandfathers drug debts.
 
Just a bit of information about the locality - there is a good sized community of illegal immigrants throughout this area. They come mainly from Mexico looking for work in construction and many are involved in local poultry processing facilities and farming operations. There are ample jobs available in the fields mentioned above.

Are there drugs - of course, they are everywhere. Interstate 44 which is located about 7 miles south of Carthage is known to be a well traveled interstate by drug transporters. We hear about big busts on the interstate routinely. Southwest Missouri is not exempt from gang activity although we would prefer to not admit that, nor does any other community. It exists, as do drug problems.

There could be several reasons behind a kidnapping, if in fact it was a kidnapping, with the above kept in mind.
 
I agree there could be several reasons.
 
Local TV channels are still running the Amber Alert banner.


Missouri is known as the meth capital of the US. That said, none of the "person with the same name as the father" court charges has been drug related outside of the DUI.

I also think the charges would have noted if he was an illegal alien. He is a non-English speaker who happens to have a Hispanic surname. Yes, there are local gangs of both the Hispanic and Asian communities. There is a large Vietnamese population. They have a Marian Days festival with over 60,000 coming from all over for the three day gathering with many camping on the Catholic Church lawn.

Do you remember little Rowan Ford? She lived maybe 20 miles away. A very different type family more red neck hillbilly than anything. Many Native Americans tribes nearby also. Just saying you can't really stereotype the area or population.


I wonder if the mother worked at one of the many local casinos?
 
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