MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #2

[vjlaw]

As far as the teacher is concerned, we don't know anything for sure. But I know with the change in school administration there were some issues with that teacher continuing as school paper sponsor. In my opinion his death had something else to do with those issues and not with this other issue. But anything is possible. It is very possible the girl like to write and was in his class.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

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Bill Currie was born William Currie II on January 16, 1944. He was born in Memphis, Tennessee. Bill Currie is an Author and an adventurer. He co-wrote "Shoot to Win" (1985) with John Shaw. He is also the author of "Hot Stuff and the Broad Street Boys" (1988). He currently works as the Journalism advisor at Jefferson City High School (JCHS) in Jefferson City, MO. He started his work at JCHS as a Truancy Officer.


Early Years: Before Bill Currie's career as an educator, he worked as a Theology major and a re-knowned Preacher at the Church of Latter Day Saints in Nashville, TN. Bill Currie also engaged in many protests for civil rights in his earlier years.

Love Life: Bill Currie may sometimes be called a James Bond of his time. He has had five wives, but is currently widowed living a life of seclusion with his one and only true love, Molly the dog.

 

[Robyn623]

Is it possible that the teacher saw some warning signs with our possible perp but didn't follow up? Could she have written some disturbing papers in English class & maybe he feels guilty for not getting more involved? JMO....I am not stating any of this is fact. Just speculating.

 

[nursebeeme]

great find Eliza!

 

[LoveMussel]

We don't know if Elizabeth's mom called them first and then the police or not. It was said that Elizabeth called her mom from her cell phone on the way home -- so maybe when she didn't get home by 7, her mom called the house she was leaving from and asked if she was still there and they said no she left about 6:15. So then Mom called the police. I would think the guardians would have had to realize one of the kids was missing too, so maybe they covered up for her? We just don't know yet.

Ok...but how would the guardian have known to cover up for her? If this was a normal kid, and the guardian was asked what the kid was doing, wouldn't the guardian have just said "Oh, AB and Elizabeth were having it out again..." whatever-- if you didn't know a crime had been committed, you wouldn't cover...right?

And...about that cell phone that was ON until Thursday AM...did Elizabeth's mom and/or LE call it? Was it ringing the whole time, or was somebody hitting "ignore" on the calls? It seems like that might be distracting to have around if one were in the process of committing a crime...why not just turn it off? I suppose the ringer could have been on silent, but the cell phone thing is just WEIRD to me!

School should be getting out soon...I am interested to hear what the HS rumor-mill has come up with!

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Interesting comment just in the last few minutes on the link posted by Jules from something about the guardians.

WHOA...I just peeked in to take a look and WOW...I need to hurry up and get off work so that I can catch up!

This recent comment re: guardians is interesting and very telling. I think we---someone posting on this thread---mentioned this possibility yesterday as we were discussing how the murderer, if AB, could commit the crime and not give herself away by her clothing / condition, after going into the wet, cold, muddy woods. Seems like we might have been right on track.

 

[vjlaw]

Thanks Eliza. Sounds like he should have been retired. He was 65. I do know there was hub-bub about him continuing as the sponsor of the school newspaper that was back in the spring term. So I am sure there were things going on with him before any of this.

 

[Raebie]

Something tells me the Jefferson City myspace pages are gonna be interesting in about an hour. Zip code 65109.

 

[vjlaw]

When I was talking about the guardians, I meant they may have not realized what they saw until the search was going on and E was not being found. I would think LE would question all the neighbors about who's in their house, did anyone see anything, is everyone accounted for, etc. Maybe it was then the guardians started to wonder....

 

[vjlaw]

If some of the comments are true on some of the news sites linked on here, there maybe wasn't even a fight or argument. So the guardians wouln't have noticed any interaction between victim and perp.

 

[swanniee11]

We don't know if Elizabeth's mom called them first and then the police or not. It was said that Elizabeth called her mom from her cell phone on the way home -- so maybe when she didn't get home by 7, her mom called the house she was leaving from and asked if she was still there and they said no she left about 6:15. So then Mom called the police. I would think the guardians would have had to realize one of the kids was missing too, so maybe they covered up for her? We just don't know yet.

Do we know for a fact it was a call and not a text? A text could have come from anyone and that would change the time of death. Just thinking out loud. IMO

 

[Prof]

Crimecurious, I was wondering who the teacher was. It said a popular English Teacher. I know of a couple my kids had, but don't know if I would classify them as a popular English teacher. Lots going on in the school this school year with change in school administration and several teachers who retired at the end of May.

Says Journalism and Media Advisor at JCHS on linked in... (not quite the same as English teacher)

 

[Linda7NJ]

SBM

my god, if a little girl was killed over a bloody cell phone! ...:furious:

your theory is very convincing - I wasn't aware of that ms posting - I thought her ms was private ...

so she's sitting in class on Wed. posting on Twitter - how is she posting w/o her cell? laptop? friend's phone? OMG Elizabeth's phone???!

how 'bout these freakin' kids focus on school & leave the gadgets in the locker! grrrr

Couldn't have been Elizabeth's phone? Could it? It was found very near her body. Unless, the elder girl stole it prior and had been using it to post.....Elizabeth told?

My heart breaks at another senseless murder of a child...........too too many lately.

 

[vjlaw]

Thanks, Prof. I saw his name on an earlier post and knew who it was from that. Someone else wiki him so info there too. Yes, he was the longtime school newspaper sponsor. My kids were never on the school newspaper, but I do remember seeing him around.

 

[Angleena]

My school news paper sponsor taught journalism. I can remember that class very well. We had to write poetry, short stories and do this thing called brainstorming where we just wrote on paper whatever was going through our heads...even if our thoughts changed in the middle of it, we had to change what we were writing.

I was talking to my boyfriend about his journalism class and he had to do the same thing and I was surprised about the story he wrote. He had written a murder story that in the end turned out to be a dream (in the story).

THIS IS PURELY SPECULATION as all of our theories we come up with are nothing more than speculation.

Not that this teacher's death is anyway connected to Elizabeth's death, but it could be. It is possible that the suspect was in this guys class and did write a murder story. It is possible that the hand written evidence received by investigators was this story written by the suspect. (PURELY SPECULATION HERE)

If I were a teacher that already had some issues going on and then to have something like that thrown into the mix, I would be totally at a loss.

 

[vjlaw]

Yes anything is possible in regards to the handwritten note. Also just a tidbit too, the sheriff used to be the resource officer at the school, so am pretty sure he would be pretty familiar with the newpaper sponsor.

 

[Capri]

Possibly OT, but
Bill Currie had 5 wives? wow.

What are the chances that the perp went to the same school as a teacher who committed suicide?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wow.

The timing couldn't be worse.

I hate to even suggest this but given the circumstances I must: Could it be possible that he had something to hide?

Is he the one that gave LE the "note" that lead them to the suspect? Perhaps the teacher didn't take his student's comments seriously....didn't report as he should have and felt responsible?

 

[Hadiehl]

Just a thought, but...

If AB is in fact the perp, could it be possible that she was assigned the responsibility of walking Elizabeth home that night? Somewhere (I forget where now) I read that Elizabeth was afraid of the woods, and since it is beginning to get dark now by 6:15, it would make sense that she would want - or would be given - an escort. This article http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crim...-with-murder-of-Missouri-girl-Elizabeth-Olten says that Police "would not elaborate on (...) whether Elizabeth had encountered the suspect before she began her walk home or during her trek." To me that reads as if Elizabeth could have been in the company of the suspect before she left her friend's house.

So much in this case is speculative thus far, but maybe this friend's house was a daycare of sorts for Elizabeth. Maybe she went there every day after school until roughly the same time, and maybe she received the same escort (the perp) home each night. This scenario would have provided the suspect with the perfect opportunity to plan and execute Elizabeth's murder, possibly accounting for the swiftness with which it was carried out.

My apologies if something along these lines as already been discussed, I'm just now catching on on the thread.

Heather

 

[Jules71]

My school news paper sponsor taught journalism. I can remember that class very well. We had to write poetry, short stories and do this thing called brainstorming where we just wrote on paper whatever was going through our heads...even if our thoughts changed in the middle of it, we had to change what we were writing.

I was talking to my boyfriend about his journalism class and he had to do the same thing and I was surprised about the story he wrote. He had written a murder story that in the end turned out to be a dream (in the story).

THIS IS PURELY SPECULATION as all of our theories we come up with are nothing more than speculation.

Not that this teacher's death is anyway connected to Elizabeth's death, but it could be. It is possible that the suspect was in this guys class and did write a murder story. It is possible that the hand written evidence received by investigators was this story written by the suspect. (PURELY SPECULATION HERE)

If I were a teacher that already had some issues going on and then to have something like that thrown into the mix, I would be totally at a loss.

This is a very good theory.