MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[Ginnybean2001]

If it was carbon monoxide,,,their bodies would turn pink rather then blue. However, I dont know if the cold outdoots would change the colour or not

 

[JDG]

we can't sleuth that here due to TOS because they are considered victims

'Nothing is adding up' in strange case of three frozen Kansas City Chiefs fans

The strange saga of three Kansas City Chiefs fans who froze to death in a friend's backyard continues to bewilder people who knew the men.

torontosun.com

Father makes comments in this MSM article.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Mystery 'fifth man' in the baffling case of dead Chiefs' fans revealed

DailyMail.com can reveal that the 'fifth man' in the case of three Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead outside a rental home is Alex Weamer.Lee

www.dailymail.co.uk

The “Fifth Man.”

Some drug charges in his past.

Also the identity of the fiancée who broke into the house.

Willis's lawyer had noted in his interview with Cuomo on News Nation that the 5th guy was "known to police". And now we see he's known for drug charges.

 

[al66pine]

Toxicology Test Results. How Soon? Who's Talking?
Per Daily Mail, today. I've added the CAPS below.

"Crucial toxicology reports on the victims' bodies will not be ready for at least another FOUR WEEKS, DailyMail.com can reveal.
"The tests are being carried out at Frontier Forensics Midwest, a privately owned forensic and autopsy facility that provides services for authorities in Kansas and Missouri.
"One of its INVESTIGATORS told us: 'They take at least SIX TO EIGHT weeks, and it's been less than two. Any information that is released from them will go through Kansas City police.' "

Investigator from where?
^ FFM private lab ^ or Kansas City (MO) PD?

Mystery 'fifth man' in the baffling case of dead Chiefs' fans revealed

DailyMail.com can reveal that the 'fifth man' in the case of three Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead outside a rental home is Alex Weamer.Lee

www.dailymail.co.uk

I thought I read MSM quoting someone from Platte County (MO) Sheriff's Office but can't find it now. Dreamed it???

__________________
Seems KCPD is leading the investigation.
This DM article Jan 26 quotes earlier stmt by KCPD rep.
"Police captain Jake Becchina stated after the bodies were found..."
kcpd.org shows Becchina as a "Public Information Officer."
Also
"Kansas City Police Department has identified the three men..."
per local report, Jan 26

 

[Frostysucker]

Another interesting statement because the 5th man has said JW's dogs were at the house that night but his attorney Picerno has said his father had his dogs. So that would lead one to think JW either went out at some point and dropped them off or someone came and picked them up.

"Picerno said his client never left the house from Sunday’s gathering to watch the Chiefs game until after police arrived Tuesday night."

Details change again, 5th friend speaks out after 3 men found dead at KC home

Two weeks after three friends were found dead outside a KC home, an attorney is changing his story and a fifth friend involved is speaking out.

www.google.com

Where did the 5th guy say the dogs were at the house? I read the article linked but I did not see that in it.

 

[cuffem]

Fentanyl is lethal whether indoors or outdoors. In this case, we do not know whether fentanyl was in anyone's system.

JMO

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1220881380/overdose-fentanyl-drugs-addiction#:~:text=It%20hasn%27t%20continued%20to,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.&text=Biden%20administration%20officials%20say%20they%20have%20%22flattened%22%20the%20upward%20curve.

When the history of the fentanyl crisis is written, 2023 may be remembered as the year Americans woke up to an unprecedented threat scouring communities - and a deepening cultural divide over what to do about it.

For the first time in U.S. history, fatal overdoses peaked above 112,000 deaths, with young people and people of color among the hardest hit.

Drug policy experts, and people living with addiction, say the magnitude of this calamity now eclipses every previous drug epidemic, from crack cocaine in the 1980s to the prescription opioid crisis of the 2000s. My point was not that it is more lethal outdoors than indoors. My point was that all 4 went unconscious,one indoors and 3 outdoors. Meaning they died from passing out in the freezing temp not from fentanyl.

My point was that they could have died from exposure from being unconscious outside and other went unconscious indoors therefore survived. Not from the fentanyl.
just one of a few theories and not saying it is what happened.
We all know fentanyl is addicting and lethal.

 

[JDG]

Folks, at this point there is NO proof that drugs were involved.

If you become drunk enough, you pass out, hypothermia starts and you can find yourself circling the drain.

Being outside without adequate clothing, ie coats, would do it.

As you begin to feel overheated, many victims remove clothing, adding to their hypothermia, then fall asleep and freeze.

 

[musicaljoke]

where I come from, most old and new friends alike are that 'formal'
my family does it with each other every get-together - the host sees us to the door and in good weather, right outside
I do it with my friends
it's not strange to me
in fact there's a joke meme circulating on FB that makes fun of how many times Canadians say good bye to each other - in the kitchen, the living room, front door, driveway etc.

Indeed. And we don't turn the porch light off until we see they are safely in their vehicles and have driven out of sight.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Folks, at this point there is NO proof that drugs were involved.

If you become drunk enough, you pass out, hypothermia starts and you can find yourself circling the drain.

Being outside without adequate clothing, ie coats, would do it.

As you begin to feel overheated, many victims remove clothing, adding to their hypothermia, then fall asleep and freeze.

The thing is that they all succumbed at roughly the same time and in the same area, which I would find very unusual for alcohol poisoning to strike 3 people at the same time in the same way. There has to be something more than alcohol that made them drop like that imo.

 

[iamnotagolem]

And that has to be risk of imminent harm. That is when they can hear a fight or there is a fire, none of which were the case here. This is common sense. You cannot call the police and say go in that house because my boyfriend didn't come home. The police can knock and look around the outside, but police do not go entering people's houses. This is basic constitutional knowledge.

In this case no one had been in contact with the resident or any of the missing guests. If a welfare check has been made and no one answered the door, police likely would have made entry.

This is all a moot point because no one reported them missing, no one asked for a welfare check, no one seemed to think their behavior was odd going MIA for a couple of days. None of their significant others, parents, etc were concerned enough to report them missing. Obviously they didn’t think they were dead and they probably died rather quickly so they simply would have found out sooner.

 

[musicaljoke]

Folks, at this point there is NO proof that drugs were involved.

If you become drunk enough, you pass out, hypothermia starts and you can find yourself circling the drain.

Being outside without adequate clothing, ie coats, would do it.

As you begin to feel overheated, many victims remove clothing, adding to their hypothermia, then fall asleep and freeze.

But would three adult men pass out together from being drunk? I wouldn't think so.

 

[neesaki]

FYI… Banfield is on News Nation is covering this case now. Started at 9 Central time.

 

[cuffem]

Folks, at this point there is NO proof that drugs were involved.

If you become drunk enough, you pass out, hypothermia starts and you can find yourself circling the drain.

Being outside without adequate clothing, ie coats, would do it.

As you begin to feel overheated, many victims remove clothing, adding to their hypothermia, then fall asleep and freeze.

I think we all are thinking this because for all 3 men to be the same level of BAL or drunk and then all to succumb without at least one waking or going inside or getting help, the chances have to be low.
Some kind of accident happened.

 

[cuffem]

The thing is that they all succumbed at roughly the same time and in the same area, which I would find very unusual for alcohol poisoning to strike 3 people at the same time in the same way. There has to be something more than alcohol that made them drop like that imo.

This is what I was trying to post but could not get the words right.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I don’t buy he was conveniently asleep for 48 hours but if he was, that’s a serious bender

RSBM
In the previous thread I mentioned the very first time I drank whisky and ended up being extremely Ill for two days. I was literally in bed for two days, except to go to the bathroom, I even called the family doctor for a home visit. I'm not sure if it was alcohol poisoning or some kind of strange allergic reaction, but I was seriously under it. I have never drunk whisky again. Yet the point I am making is, I can believe he was in bed for two days because it happened to me and it was literally alcohol, no drugs.

 

[JDG]

The thing is that they all succumbed at roughly the same time and in the same area, which I would find very unusual for alcohol poisoning to strike 3 people at the same time in the same way. There has to be something more than alcohol that made them drop like that imo.

with hypothermia, you lose use of your limbs, have great difficulty getting out of a chair, walking, opening doors etc as explained wayyy upthread.

you become incapacitated, quickly, sleepy etc and are unable to go inside or go get help. You fall asleep….

toxicology tests will have the answers, I’m betting on super drunk, outside without coats, hypothermia got them. Yes, all at once.

 

[neesaki]

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[MassGuy]

The thing is that they all succumbed at roughly the same time and in the same area, which I would find very unusual for alcohol poisoning to strike 3 people at the same time in the same way. There has to be something more than alcohol that made them drop like that imo.

Yeah, I'm not buying that either. Mass deaths do occur from alcohol, but when they do happen it's usually outside of the United States, and involves the homemade variety. There are plenty of examples of drug overdoses with multiple casualties. To me, drugs would be the simplest and most logical explanation, and that's without anyone even having a history of that sort of thing. There's a history...

 

[TailSpin]

You almost never hear of alcohol poisoning case for men that age and size so it is somewhat unbelievable that all three would have lost consciousness at the same time without one being able to get back inside to call for help. I read that one body was found near the back porch and the other two were further away in the yard? I'm wondering why they weren't closer together. Why wander further away from the house if you're in distress? I don't think they went out to throw the football around at that late hour.

 

[neesaki]

DBM