MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024

[iamnotagolem]

He may have 30 years experience, but I don't believe he's ever been involved in a high-profile case with national interest before and I think he's out of his element.

I've seen it before with attorneys in other cases. They see their chance to become the next Johnny Cochrane and lift their practice into the stratosphere. So they focus on doing tv interviews and getting their name in the papers instead of representing their client.

Edit - Reminds me of Monica Lewinsky's first attorney, William Ginsburg. He was a friend of the family, but acted like a total buffoon on the national stage. That guy was a trip.

I'm pretty sure he was the attorney for Lisa Irwin's parents. I have a hard time believing anything that comes out of his mouth.

In this case I don't think JW had anything to do with the deaths of his friends, but seeing Picerno's name immediately made me suspicious.

 

[SMK777]

From the reading I’ve been doing, this kind of scenario has happened with what people thought was cocaine or marijuana but was fentanyl.

Edited my own comment above since now reading that fatalities happened just as quickly and as often with marijuana.

To me, their going out back to smoke weed and running into immediate fentanyl trouble seems likely.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

My guess is the buddies went to Willis house to partake in drugs. They were likely already lit from the game. They pry sat there with Willis for a while (who they didn’t really know well) and then went outside to get started and chill for a while together outside. Willis was probably drugged out himself for two days hence the no looking aroun at cars outside and picking up phones (No job on a Monday?) I don’t believe he had any involvement other than supplying. I dont think he’d be so stupid as to leave dead bodies on his back porch and backyard if he were aware they were actually there. the guy on the back porch tried to get inside I think. All jmo. Looking forward to the toxicology report.

My guess is that JW placed a somewhat friendly wager on some aspect of the game with one of the 3 buddies. They went to hang out and collect, and for some reason things went sideways from there.

 

[Coldheat]

Offering up another scenario...
Perhaps JW, as his lawyer claims, escorted the men out of the house because he didn't want to partake in the after-hour 'festivities' (drugs). At that point it was late, the 4 buddies had been drinking all day, and they were at JW's home for some time, waiting for the dealer. Now, JW, after providing a warm place for his 3 friends to await the dealer, said he wanted to go bed; he has work in the morning and would be working from home.

After the 3 left the house, they realised they wanted a secluded place, out of public view, and a little bit of shelter while they ingested/smoked (or whatever) their drugs. A drug that would be ingested by smoking makes more sense for the men to go outside- one wouldn't go outside to 'snort' drugs, lets say. Anyways, they make their way to JW's back yard. The first person who is exposed to/ingests the drugs dies on the spot, the other two run to get help, but unfortunately perish on the way due to the exposure to the drug.

All IMO.

 

[Chimera]

Watched the game at a couple of different places??

Hmm !
Would be interesting to see the video footage of them if they were at a public place to watch part of the game.
OR, to speak to the other people if they watched part of the game at someone else's house ?
So much seems to be changing about this story, even if only slightly ?
Is the atty. in cya mode ?
Etc.
Omo.

 

[arielilane]

Curious if LE (am sure it's been done) went around the neighborhood to collect surveillance footage from the neighbors. Perhaps even from local businesses, and the places they visited prior to the group of men going to JW's house to play games and hang out. Additionally, curious about any stops made before going to JW's? moo

 

[Leilei]

PICTURED: Kansas City Chiefs fan whose three friends died in backyard

Jordan Willis' is an award-winning HIV scientist who has moved home and deleted all of his social media after three of his friends were mysteriously found dead on his property.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Willis with the two 'light of his life' - Sadie and Daisy. He says he didn't leave his home between January 7 and 9, not even to walk the dogs.
One would assume he let his dogs out to relieve themselves ?
How did he miss the man in the back porch ?
JW may be entirely blameless but since there are three dead people on his property; of course there are going to be questions.
One would hope he is being as candid and straightforward as possible with LE, for instance.
The entire sad picture is becoming more clear in regards to the unnamed 'buddy'.....
So sorry for the men's families !
Omo.

I had read that the dogs weren't at his home the day of the game (with one of his parents, IIRC). So... did someone bring the dogs home, or did he go pick them up? None of this makes sense. IMO.

ETA Y'all already addressed this, thanks! This case is so crazy.

 

[Chimera]

From the NewsNation Banfield interview, I also missed the part about where they had watched the game, and then went to JW’s house after the game to play video games and hang out.

I love her question about the fifth guy who was there, when the attorney says “he’s not really a mystery person”.
Banfield: “I’m so glad he’s not a mystery person. What’s his name? “.
Of course then he can’t reveal his name, lol.

She also pointedly asks if drugs were involved. He states not able to answer the question about drugs, due to ‘confidentiality’… but the way he does it he seems to me to be admitting there were drugs there.

The attorney stated:

“The basic scenario is they had watched the Chiefs game in a couple of different places. They went back to his place afterwards to play some video games and hang out. And at some point during that process, he got tired and he fell asleep. … When he woke up, they were gone,” Picerno added.
And he states that “they were going to leave and he escorted them to the door. “

The front door, not the back door. And he saw them leave and go out the front door.

Kansas City Chiefs fans deaths: Homeowner wants answers

According to attorney John Picerno, Jordan Willis was lifelong friends with two of the men found outside his home and wants answers.

www.newsnationnow.com

Red & blue bolding mine. ^^^

Well, which one is it ????????

Red emphasis : This was the first version I initially understood to be what happened.
At least from the DailyMail which admittedly can be wonky in its' veracity.
However, we now have a lawyer saying different accounts and I totally understand the 3 men's families' apprehension and confusion !

Friend of 3 men who 'froze to death' in backyard says he was ASLEEP

David Harrington, Ricky Johnson and Clayton McGeeney visited their friend Jordan Willis' house on January 7 to watch the Chiefs' playoff win against the Chargers - but the trio never made it home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He claims he went to bed, leaving the three men downstairs to 'hang out' with an unidentified fifth man,
Willis, who says he was close friends with the victims, says they froze to death.

But the families of the three victims say his story 'doesn't add up' and are demanding answers.
Police are also yet to confirm Willis' claim that there was a fifth man in the house on the night in question.
Red emphasis mine.
I was thinking JW later said that, he never said they 'froze to death', so was this misreporting -- or did JW correct his earlier statement ?

Re. the blue bolded from the above quoted post : This is an entirely different scenario !

If there was a 5th person, why did that information take so long to come out?



I am skeptical that he saw them leave through his front door.

Bbm.
Agreed, sadly.

Lawyer also said JW didn't see the 3 exit the home AND he saw them leave and he went to bed. Now he never saw them leave, they were still in his house when he went to bed. This lawyer is all over the place. These tox tests and autopsy reports can't come back soon enough

Ita.
100 %.
Their families need answers.
I understand they're grieving ... and not at all happy with the information they've received !
Changing stories is not helping.
Not certain it's misreporting, lawyer misspeaking, JW mis-remembering, or what else ?

If I were a family member, I'd have wanted a search warrant for that house, asap.
Omo.

 

[justpeachy22]

Bbm.
I'd be interested in talking to person # 5 !
At least questions like, "When you left, were the three deceased still alive and inside the house ", OR -- "When you left, had the three gone out into the backyard for some fresh air & you assumed they'd walk back inside or to their cars" ; etc.
That sort of questions.
At least it'd help to clear this up, for their loved ones !

Investigators and LE are by nature of their occupation more 'nosey' than most.
IF person # 5 is incognito-- that would make me a bit suspicious.
Just a bit.
Omo.

It appears that person #5 escaped the blackout and has even been reported as leaving the house earlier, after hanging out with them all. Didn't they say that preliminary findings show this was not foul play? Without indication of foul play, JW is presumably innocent. <modsnip> I think this was just a freaky tragic OD. Let's wait to see.

 

[Chimera]

It appears that person #5 escaped the blackout and has even been reported as leaving the house earlier, after hanging out with them all. Didn't they say that preliminary findings show this was not foul play? Without indication of foul play, JW is presumably innocent. <modsnip> I think this was just a freaky tragic OD. Let's wait to see.

Tox test results will be helpful.
Meanwhile we can speculate which is why we're here ; and I'm sure their families have so many questions.
So far there isn't a crime <modsnip>

The changing stories make me more interested.
His lawyer should pick one version and stick with it.
It's as if someone (& I don't know who ?) knows more than they're saying.
Omo.

 

[al66pine]

Red & blue bolding mine. ^^^
Well, which one is it ???????? ....
was this misreporting -- or did JW correct his earlier statement?...
Not certain it's misreporting, lawyer misspeaking, JW mis-remembering, or what else ?...

snipped, a LOT. @Chimera
Thanks for highlighting these disrepancies and Q's.
Makes me want to pull my hair out.

Like you, feeling bad for the families. But imo LE is actively investigating, autopsies will be completed, and CoD's & MoD's will give further guidance to investigators. Arrests? IDK.

 

[mmmagique]

I'm very sorry this happened. Sadly, some of the blame will most likely have to go on the gentlemen who passed.
HOWEVER, it seems to me the attorney has given several conflicting stories. Perhaps unintentionally, or perhaps to cause more confusion. There are many high profile cases that the facts are so confused that no one is ever convicted and possibly not even charged. (Kyron Horman and Jon Benet Ramsey come to mind.)

 

[arielilane]

No new news:

Police investigating mysterious deaths of 3 Kansas City Chiefs fans found outside Missouri home where they watched game

Updated Jan. 23, 2024, 2:25 PM EST

"I just want to bring awareness to what’s going on to hopefully bring answers out because there is so many questions and not very many answers," she said.

The Kansas City Police Department did not identify the resident of the home, who they say was cooperative with detectives the day the bodies were discovered.

An investigation to determine the cause of death of all three men is underway, police said.

The medical examiner did not immediately respond to requests for an update.

 

[arielilane]

Curious why the fifth wheel not named? moo

 

[airportwoman]

Attorney claims now A FIFTH person was there at the end of the watch party... JW, the 3 deceased, plus Person#5.

Whaaaaat. The friend being interviewed insists someone needs to be in custody... but... imo, it's about personal choices and responsibility- unless JW was purposely poisoning his "buddies", I don't see how he is liable for their well being. Moo. (I am doubtful they were any more than just fellow fans, not really buddies/close friends with JW)

Oh, boy, John Doe #2 all over again.

 

[SMK777]

Oh, boy, John Doe #2 all over again.

Seriously. I have more doubts than I did before.

 

[LadyL]

Agreed; also to add, I remembered today that if you are not 'friends' with a person on FB, you can send them a message (if the person has messages from strangers approved), and it goes to a separate inbox, like a pending review inbox. If you do not check that inbox, you do not know you have a message, I think it is like a spam filter. If the wife only messaged him on FB, it may be that they did not really know each other well, and she searched for him on FB.

yep
messages from people who are not 'friends' go to a 'new message requests' folder or go to a 'spam' folder
I even have messages from 'friends' go to the 'spam' folder
people not only don't routinely check those folders, some don't even know they exist

 

[LadyL]

If there was a 5th person, why did that information take so long to come out?



I am skeptical that he saw them leave through his front door.

the 5th person has been mentioned before in this thread
I don't remember by who or where it was sourced from though and it may have been deleted as a rumour

 

[waterslyd]

Where I live everyone, aside from solicitors, come to the back doors.

They could have gone outside to smoke as many people don't like to smoke inside the house, because three people smoking inside is gross or may set off a smoke alarm. Or out of politeness to the host.

 

[SMK777]

it's been mentioned before in this thread
I don't remember by who or where it was sourced from though and it may have been deleted as a rumour

The attorney said both: That JW hadn’t been up when they left, and that he’d escorted them to the front door and said goodbye.