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[Linda7NJ]

Which reinforces my point.

I'm asking you to explain, I'm trying to understand your point.


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[DeDee]

The person in the photo is not MB's cousin. Do you have a link that states otherwise?

My apologies, BayouBelle_LA, for the man in the photo and MB are not cousins nor is the man in the photo MB.

Post #1050 has been edited to correct the error. I appreciate your bringing it to my attention as I do have an occasional tendency to speed read.

MOO

 

[Footwarrior]

I'm not understanding how this interaction is inappropriate?

When I drive a van full of boxes, law enforcement doesn't stop me to find out why.

 

[Linda7NJ]

When I drive a van full of boxes, law enforcement doesn't stop me to find out why.

They tend to ask if they notice after they pull you over for speeding.




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[momrids6]

When I drive a van full of boxes, law enforcement doesn't stop me to find out why.

She stated she was stopped for speeding.

 

[Elley Mae]

Meaning, that I think it is cultural. I have been to pow wows, 49ers[parties after pow wows], just hanging with family and friends in all parts of this country and Canada, I was recently at viewings/funeral where there were, in 3 days times, well over a thousand Indians there and not at any time have I heard an Indian use that or any similar phrase. This includes my family members in Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, North Carolina, Florida and Kansas.

I do know that there are cultural differences that play a large part in actions and perception of those actions from those on the outside. I was stopped for speeding in northern Missouri on an Interstate. I was with a female friend and we were bringing supplies to Elders on Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota. The officer saw all of the boxes and bags in back of the van and wanted to know where we were going and what were the things in the van. When he took my license, he said he saw my bumper sticker that said 'Proud to be Indian' and asked if I preferred to be called Native or American Indian, I told him that I thought human would be the best way to go. Unless you have been profiled, I think it is difficult for others to understand the mindset of those who do the profiling. Do I wish it were different and profiling didn't exist? Of course, but I know differently.

I was stopped for speeding and he asked me what my destination was, and I'm white. Go figure.

 

[Minette]

Jacie, je t'adore, you know this from other cases, but I am not understanding your point either. I'm more than willing to admit a faulty understanding, and one thing I know about you is that you EXCEL at laying out explanations.

So please lay one on us! :rose:

 

[katydid23]

Which reinforces my point.

I am not sure of the point exactly. Other than the implication that he was profiling you because you are Native American?

I am a middle class white bread woman and I have been stopped for speeding and been asked 'nosey' questions as well. One time I had the back of the SUV filled up with used sports equipment donated by my sons school students to be taken to a school campus that needed it more. We were dropping it off in south central LA and I got pulled over because he thought I looked 'lost/' The translation, he thought I was lost OR I was looking to buy drugs in that area. Then he saw all the sports equipment and wanted to know where it all came from. If I were black or Hispanic, I suppose I would have felt like I was being unfairly profiled. But in reality, he was just doing his job. jmo :cow:

 

[katydid23]

When I drive a van full of boxes, law enforcement doesn't stop me to find out why.

She already said she was speeding. At that point, once stopped, LE is going to be nosy and sniff around. And that happens no matter what ethnicity you are, imo.

 

[rob]

Which reinforces my point.

Is it because he addressed your race in any way?
(I'm trying to understand, too)

 

[DebinGA]

I'm not understanding the connection to MB..
I can't find anything anywhere that states this is his cousin?
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Nada on the cousin connection, but Cain was a fellow school switcher:

"Cain spent his freshman year at Aloha High School, left the state for his sophomore year and then returned to the area to attend Sunset High School for his junior year."

Changing schools because one "has issues" = big red flag imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nada on the cousin connection, but Cain was a fellow school switcher:

"Cain spent his freshman year at Aloha High School, left the state for his sophomore year and then returned to the area to attend Sunset High School for his junior year."

Changing schools because one "has issues" = big red flag imo.

I understand what you're saying. In hindsight .

But... I fostered teens who, through no fault of their own, switch schools and residences often.




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[DebinGA]

I've never been stopped for speeding, perhaps because I look more like Julia Child than Julia Roberts? Or maybe because I never speed?

 

[Frydaddy]

Who does?

Anyone who hasn't conceded she saw nothing.

 

[jmcgladr]

Nada on the cousin connection, but Cain was a fellow school switcher:

"Cain spent his freshman year at Aloha High School, left the state for his sophomore year and then returned to the area to attend Sunset High School for his junior year."

Changing schools because one "has issues" = big red flag imo.

But changing schools does not always mean one has issues, either. That has not been proven to be the reason for switching schools in the case of this boy Cain OR in the case of MB, IMO. Kids change schools for any number of reasons - different programs available, parents move, being bullied at school, close friends go to a different school, etc.

 

[EvilSoup]

She already said she was speeding. At that point, once stopped, LE is going to be nosy and sniff around. And that happens no matter what ethnicity you are, imo.

Especially on 59 outside of Houston. Erm, at least I have heard this.....:innocent:

 

[Minette]

I've never been stopped for speeding, perhaps because I look more like Julia Child than Julia Roberts? Or maybe because I never speed?

Oh, gosh, I've been stopped for speeding, fewer times than I've *deserved* to be stopped for speeding. And yes, they always ask 'where are you going?' and once, to my GREAT surprise I got out of a ticket because I said 'to a wedding rehearsal, and I'm late!' and only later did I realize he thought I meant to my OWN wedding rehearsal, when I was only a bridesmaid. Anyway, I used to have a bunch of speeding tickets on my record, and then I moved to Atlanta, where a 65 mph limit means 'go that speed and you'll be run over by a whole line of traffic!' and since then I haven't had any.

 

[popsicle]

This is a local police shooting case

[h=1]After a year with no answers in Fairfax police slaying of John Geer, family sues[/h]
That’s because for a year, local police and federal investigators have not released any public information about the case: No ruling on whether the shooting was justified, no explanation of why it happened, no names of the officers involved.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ial&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[DebinGA]

Before that Piaget Version I video went poof, did y'all notice her demo of MB's surrendering hands/arms? She may have said "raised" but she didn't act out "raised" iirc. She acted out an irritated "Whatta you want from me!" stance with elbows slightly away from body, arms angled out, and hands below her shoulders and perpendicular to the ground, i.e. not "up" with palms/underside of arms facing DW.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Merci beaucoup. In my family, my mother and my father's mother were both adopted out to other than Indian families. They were adopted into a different racial and cultural milieu. My great grandparents and great great grandparents were 'removed', under the order of the federal Indian Removal Program, from what later became the Indiana/Illinois states to Indian Territory, later to become Oklahoma; this was done because of who and what they were, they were Indian.

Now, in my generation, I am being asked what I prefer to be called? We are all human, we just come in different colors, shapes, sizes, cultures, ethnicities and socioeconomic backgrounds. While I am not, like my ancestors, being 'removed', why am I being asked the question? Does a Caucasian person want to be asked, in the course of a traffic stop, if they are Irish, English, Polish, Lithuanian or German? Clearly, for Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, American and Eastern Indians there are noticeable differences than Caucasians; why haven't we progressed to just being human?

There are many academic and anecdotal studies of historical trauma. It is something that is real, palpable and far reaching.

http://www.mcgill.ca/files/resilience/Whitbeck_2004.pdf
http://uni-leipzig.de/~sozio/mitarb...g_09_Kansteiner_Finding_Meaning_in_Memory.pdf
http://hpp.sagepub.com/content/7/3/312
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en... studies of historical trauma in jews&f=false
http://www.academia.edu/343766/Holocaust._Trauma_its_transmission_and_connection_with_identity

Jacie, je t'adore, you know this from other cases, but I am not understanding your point either. I'm more than willing to admit a faulty understanding, and one thing I know about you is that you EXCEL at laying out explanations.

So please lay one on us! :rose: