MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[MyBelle]

Tape or not, is it worth shooting this young man? Last time I heard, petty theft and/or shoving someone into a display rack wasn't a death penalty crime.

struggling with a police officer for his weapon has the potential to be a death penalty crime. Fortunately, all Brown managed to do was send the officer to the hospital with injuries to his face. If it is proved there was no injury to the officer and no discharge of a weapon in the cruiser, I'll change my opinion.

JMO

 

[liljim]

For some reason they seem to think the photos depict something more evil than the video does and that is why they were released. jmo

that might be the only thing they said that i agreed with, tho it was only slightly.

it doesnt change the seriousness of the crime or anything else, but i did feel like when i saw the pictures that it looked really bad, then when i saw the video i didnt think it was quite so bad, still very bad, just slightly less so.

again, doesnt change the nature or seriousness of the crime, or the legitimacy of it being brought up.

 

[Sonya610]

But, this officer shot a person who had his hands up, who didn't try to question these young men, he just shot him in the back and the front. No excuse for that, IMO.

Where are you getting this information from??? Has the autopsy report already been released?

 

[popsicle]

There is a legal FOIL request process. A judge decides whether the info can be released. If so, you must release it.
News agencies are always able to get documents - sooner or later.
Surprised that after all the trials streamed and televised over the past 10 years or so - that people don't know about it.
Maybe that says I am a trial watcher junkie ...

Every state is different regarding sunshine laws. That is why so much info came out about Robin Williams as the ME's office stated during their PC.

 

[Hatfield]

According to legal analysts and law enforcement commentators on the various MSM cable news channels I've been surfing, an officer is authorized, under certain circumstances, to use deadly force in the course of apprehending a felon or a suspected felon, even if the felon or suspected felon is fleeing.

I need more information at this point, though, in order to decide for myself if the use of lethal force was justified in this case.

It's been reported that the officer sustained an injury to his face during the initial altercation. If true, it's entirely possible that MB attacked the officer while the officer was in his patrol vehicle. Attacking a police officer is obviously a crime, although there are degrees ranging from 1st degree to 3rd degree. See below link for info regarding assault of a law enforcement officer.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C565.HTM

There have also been reports that the officer claimed MB was trying to take the officer's gun during the initial altercation. Even if true, MB obviously was unsuccessful in taking the officer's gun, since MB was shot & killed with the officer's gun.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/michael-brown-when-can-officers-shoot-ferguson

At this point (based on the currently available information), I'm not persuaded that the circumstances meet the criteria for the lawful use of lethal force outlined in #1 and #2 in the above article.

Thank you for this post. This is basically summing up where I stand now based on what I have seen and read so far.

 

[popsicle]

that might be the only thing they said that i agreed with, tho it was only slightly.

it doesnt change the seriousness of the crime or anything else, but i did feel like when i saw the pictures that it looked really bad, then when i saw the video i didnt think it was quite so bad, still very bad, just slightly less so.

again, doesnt change the nature or seriousness of the crime, or the legitimacy of it being brought up.

Yes because you know what..you could see how afraid the clerk was imo.

 

[liljim]

just to be clear;

i keep hearing people on TV dismissing the new information, or claiming it is character assassination.

it is significant to know if the officer knew he was approaching 2 suspects suspected of a violent felony, but it doesnt appear that he did know that.

even so, it is still important to know about the robbery because it goes to michael's state of mind when he is approached by the officer.

it goes to discrediting dorian johnson as a witness.

and it makes it reasonably seem possible that michael's response might have been physical feeling like he was about to be grabbed for a robbery not just being confronted over jaywalking.

now you have to deal with rest of the discrepancies after the physical altercation starts, and reconciling that all the witness statements still make it seem like he was shot in the back fleeing and then shot with his hands up.

which all may end up being true, legal, and still perceived by many reasonable people as an injustice and something that should not be legal.

 

[Elley Mae]

Jackson said he released the security video from the liquor store because news organizations had been requesting it under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html

 

[popsicle]

Benjamin Crump, attorney for the Brown family, accused police of trying to draw attention away from Brown's death. He said Brown's parents were "incensed" by what he calls "the old game of smoke and mirrors."

"It's bad enough they assassinated him, and now they're trying to assassinate his character," Crump said.

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/26...ath?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[MyBelle]

According to legal analysts and law enforcement commentators on the various MSM cable news channels I've been surfing, an officer is authorized, under certain circumstances, to use deadly force in the course of apprehending a felon or a suspected felon, even if the felon or suspected felon is fleeing.

I need more information at this point, though, in order to decide for myself if the use of lethal force was justified in this case.

It's been reported that the officer sustained an injury to his face during the initial altercation. If true, it's entirely possible that MB attacked the officer while the officer was in his patrol vehicle. Attacking a police officer is obviously a crime, although there are degrees ranging from 1st degree to 3rd degree. See below link for info regarding assault of a law enforcement officer.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C565.HTM

There have also been reports that the officer claimed MB was trying to take the officer's gun during the initial altercation. Even if true, MB obviously was unsuccessful in taking the officer's gun, since MB was shot & killed with the officer's gun.



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/michael-brown-when-can-officers-shoot-ferguson

At this point (based on the currently available information), I'm not persuaded that the circumstances meet the criteria for the lawful use of lethal force outlined in #1 and #2 in the above article.

The Police Chief reported the officer's gun discharged in the cruiser. It is my opinion than any person who attempts to take a police officer's weapon is doing so in order to use "lethal force" on the officer.

JMO

 

[liljim]

Yes because you know what..you could see how afraid the clerk was imo.

yeah for good reason, he looked like a little old man and michael is giant.

 

[popsicle]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 16m
Attorney for #Ferguson Market says a customer called 911 Saturday. Not the owner or employee. via @JeffBernthal

 

[bwt42]

I have no sound where I am but this is the press conference that the Mods were wanting a link for. Or at least I'm told it is. I can't listen to verify but am told it's at about the 10:18 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJoEjLlK_54

The mods wanted a link verifying the chief lied. He does not answer the question about Darren Wilson being the shooter. Therefore no lie.

 

[krimekat]

yeah for good reason, he looked like a little old man and michael is giant.

yep! apparently, people cannot handle the truth IMHO

 

[MyBelle]

Jackson said he released the security video from the liquor store because news organizations had been requesting it under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html

Yes and it is ludicrous for anyone to make it such a big deal. Our police routinely release surveillance videos of convenience store robberies in order to get the public to phone in tips. To suggest it is done only to besmirch the character of the individuals involved rather than to prosecute them really is beyond silly.

JMO

 

[krimekat]

The mods wanted a link verifying the chief lied. He does not answer the question about Darren Wilson being the shooter. Therefore no lie.

I'd have to agree - no comment is not denying or lying -- NOTE investigations are going on by StL County LE & FBI

we heard the "rumors" about the stolen box of cigars from Sam's . . .

 

[Elley Mae]

The mods wanted a link verifying the chief lied. He does not answer the question about Darren Wilson being the shooter. Therefore no lie.

For me his response answered the ?

 

[neverletgo]

Anyone posting here local to STL, within 50 miles or so? If not, it's difficult to know Ferguson and the areas that surround it, a lot of dynamics at play. I can identify with the parents, the community, and LE...it would have been a miracle of epic proportions to have handled this perfectly and avoided what ensued. Sometimes, things just go the way they go, it's why I caution people in the PP to roll on intellect and not emotion.

I am.

I am as well. I also work about 5-10 minutes from Ferguson.

 

[Sonya610]

yeah for good reason, he looked like a little old man and michael is giant.

And some witnesses are implying that WILSON started the scuffle inside the vehicle, tried to grab MB while sitting in the car etc...

Others online have pointed out that MB was a very big guy and no officer would try to grab a suspect that size like that around the neck especially when there is a firearm involved; far far too dangerous for one cop by themselves.

 

[popsicle]

FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 29m
Jay Kanzler: The owners of the liquor store were simply complying with a warrant from County Police in the release of the surveillance video


FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 28m
LIVE VIDEO: Representatives for the liquor store speak to the media - http://wp.me/P1ZRlz-o0D


FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 28m
Was this a robbery? I have no comment #Ferguson


FOX2now ‏@FOX2now 27m
Jay Kanzler: The owners of the store have nothing to do with the investigation

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Jeff Bernthal ‏@JeffBernthal 24m
Atty for #Ferguson Market sez owners complied with warrant issued today by St Louis County for turning over hard drive of surveillance video
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