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Watching the rally on CNN, my heart breaks for MB's mother. Regardless of the truth of the circumstances of the shooting, she lost her son.
 
Linda7NJ said:
I must be a little confused.
I was under the belief Websleuths was a law enforcement friendly place. I was under the impression it is wrong to disparage officers of the law without any evidence.

Iirc it was even a big deal & not permitted to criticize LE in their handling of cases...

Has this changed?


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I have been out and haven't read every post, so not sure what you're asking? In what way? There is some leeway in this thread because that's the issue here, was LE using excessive force or doing what they need to do to enforce the law.

My apologies if another mod answered already. (I'll probably see that as soon as I post this. :lol:)
 
LiveLaughLuv said:
his mother Lesley McSpadden said this on a video, Trying to find it...she said she was told 8 shots...
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When a lone officer is shooting in self defense, he does not shoot one or two bullets. He is going to keep shooting until the suspect is DOWN. Especially if he thinks the person is on drugs of some kind. It often takes several bullets to bring someone to their knees.

If he walked up to a kneeling man, with his hands in the air, begging for his life, I will be sad and shocked. But I find that hard to believe. If he had already been shot 7 times, how would he be able to kneel have hands raised and speak coherently?
 
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A plea from business owners in #ferguson "Our faith and works with prayer will get the job done, not your violence"


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#Ferguson: RonJohnson says when this is over, it will make everything better for black sons, black women, black men, black mothers,



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There are a TON OF PEOPLE at this Al Sharpton rally @ Greater Grace Church. TONS! #ferguson



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The way Al exploits situations makes me ill


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I didn't get the video because a shot was fired through the window so I tried to get out of the way," she said.

After that shot, Brown broke free from the officer's grasp, both women told CNN, and started running, but he only got about 20 feet from the squad car by Crenshaw's estimate.

"The cop gets out of his vehicle shooting," Mitchell said. "(Brown's) body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turned around and he put his hands up. ... The cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground, and his face just smacked the concrete."

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It's unclear how many times Brown was shot. Mitchell said it was "more than about five or six" times. Johnson said it was more than three, and Brown's mother said she was told he was shot eight times. Some witnesses said they heard as many as 10 shots. Belmar said only that it "was more than just a couple."
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/us/missouri-ferguson-michael-brown-what-we-know/index.html
 
Ladylub said:
Do you have any police report that states that MB in fact put his hands up after the first 2 shots or are you only going off what "witnesses" have said.
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The only policeman who witnessed the event was Wilson. We need to know what Wilson had to say immediately following the event. Not after a discussion with other officers. We do not know what he said. JMO
 
Linda7NJ said:
Makes a whole lot more sense to me...IMO then the version he was gunned down for no reason.


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It partially confirms what the witnesses said they heard MB say "not gonna shoot me" and places it in a different context. I do believe that MB did aggressively lean in to the officer because he exhibited similar behavior to the clerk minutes before.
 
sorrell skye said:
I agree to a certain extent with the perception that LE may have employed an unnecessary show of force on August 13th.

I don't think it was necessary for officers to be sitting atop armored vehicles pointing assault rifles in the direction of the daytime peaceful protestors. Save that for the night time when the thugs come out.

But I also bear in mind that this all occurred as a direct response to the violence, looting, vandalism, and arson that occurred on Sunday, August 10th. Businesses were looted. The Quick Trip was burned to the ground. Employees of a local Wal-Mart barricaded themselves in as looters ransacked the store. Reporters were attacked. In some areas, LE reported that they were surrounded by an angry mob.







http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/10/looters-hit-ferguson-in-wake-of-police-shooting/

Context is important.

I think the peaceful protesters need to direct their anger at the looters, the vandals, the arsonists, and the thugs, rather than the police whose duty it is to enforce the law and protect the public.

During any large protest, there will always be those who will try to hi-jack the demonstrations with their own violent agendas. Unfortunately, the peaceful demonstrators get caught in the crossfire. It's unfair, but it goes with the territory.
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I understand and agree! I think the community was already on faulty grounds with the police though and that has a lot to do with the disrespect towards the law by some in Ferguson. I do feel horrible for the businesses and innocent people who were subjected to such violence by members of their own community. I wish this could be peaceful as well. This case is confusing and so much conflicts. I just hope and pray that peace is restored soon.
 
popsicle said:
What could possibly be the biggest lie in all of this? If in the end, the facts show that MB never put his hands up in the air. Hands up! Don't shoot! jmo
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Even if he had his hand up, if it turns out that he had them up while he was coming toward the officer, I would consider that to be just more aggressive.
 
katydid23 said:
When a lone officer is shooting in self defense, he does not shoot one or two bullets. He is going to keep shooting until the suspect is DOWN. Especially if he thinks the person is on drugs of some kind. It often takes several bullets to bring someone to their knees.

If he walked up to a kneeling man, with his hands in the air, begging for his life, I will be sad and shocked. But I find that hard to believe. If he had already been shot 7 times, how would he be able to kneel have hands raised and speak coherently?
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I agree. We also have had no confirmation as to the number of shots that actually struck MB.
 
MyBelle said:
It partially confirms what the witnesses said they heard MB say "not gonna shoot me" and places it in a different context. I do believe that MB did aggressively lean in to the officer because he exhibited similar behavior to the clerk minutes before.
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And the guy caught giving his account on the video where he states he believed the officer kept missing while he was shooting because he just kept running toward the officer.


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Kimster or Fran...what are the rules about transcribing witness statements from interviews. Is that a no-no to post in full?
 
I had to turn off my TV and stop reading a lot of sites.

WHY do people and reporters persist in pointing out/pushing the line from the chief's quote that the officer didn't stop them because of the robbery...

But refuse to add that the chief ALSO said that the officer then realized that they fit the BOLO?

Especially since it explains his sudden turn around and approach to the suspects?
 
I predict that when the autopsies are released there will be something for everybody.
 
Frydaddy said:
Once again, the reason you feel ganged up on is because you APPEAR to have no interest in scrutinizing the witnesses to see how much of their accounts, if any, are inaccurate. If you read ALL their statements with an interest in how closely their stories align, stay consistent, seem credible and you care about the facts, you would have obvious issues. Their stories have problems if all three saw the exact same thing. Piaget likely saw very little of this incident, she is by far the weakest witness who sounds like she is repeating Tiffany. If Tiffany heard Johnson's account and then told that to Piaget, is it possible that the only account this narrative is based on is Johnson's?
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I doubt that's the reason, I think it runs deeper than that for some. It's obvious to me...

Neither of those witnesses came in contact with each other. If you can show me they did, I'll rethink my position..

I think the gang up feeling is due to not believing the blue wall of silence infiltrated the officers account of things, not all police can be trusted. Some have indeed falsified their reports to back their fellow officer. The timing of the store video, with the incident report is too coincidental to me..

I hope the autopsy report is released...
 
Linda7NJ said:
And the guy caught giving his account on the video where he states he believed the officer kept missing while he was shooting because he just kept running toward the officer.


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If the officer shot him in the back at 20 ft. away, he would have gone down, imo. I don't believe the story that the bullet struck him in the back and MB's response was to turn around and lift his hands in the air. That just isn't believable.
 
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