MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #4

[CHERIE.T]

And? Pot is now legal in some states.. It is harmless now..

I want to see a link and article that states pot is now harmless, tia.

 

[cocomod]

Has anyone ever heard about a suspect that is on drugs and can keep on walking/running even after being shot, tazed, or beat? I have! I have heard that certain drugs can make a suspect especially strong and almost unstoppable. We have a suspect here that is very large, tried to take an officers gun, and was shot and killed. Is it justifiable? I am not yet going to make that determination because I do not yet have all of the facts. I cannot and will not rely on rumors or even certain witnesses statements (as they have already been discredited, are biased, and are trying to cover their own @55). But, the witness unknowingly recorded on the latest video seems to me to confirm that MB was running back towards the cop (maybe aggressively), not just putting his hands in the air in surrender.

Now, again, I have to say that if this was a white boy that had been shot and killed, we would have heard SO little about this incident. The investigation would have still taken place, but it would have been done in the proper order and without media pressure - or pressure from people in power (not LE related) that have no business making statements against without all of the facts.

This is my post from a previous thread (I don't know how to bring it over without cut/paste:
I have not commented on this case, but have watched from afar. What I feel is sad, is that the Black Panthers and Rev Jackson and the like are typically the ones that incite discord and racial tensions. Can I just say that it is a terrible thing that a young man lost his life. But, I fear for the safety of our police officers as well. They have a very tough job to do. Often times, the riots and the public judgement of the police officer's conduct is quick and without all of the facts being laid out. We do have those "witness" accounts, but as one who has followed WS for years, witness accounts can be SO wrong SO often.

Here in Utah, last year (or maybe the year before), a young girl was shot and killed by police officers. She was white, the officer was white. It didn't make the national news. No big riots. No big scene. His claim was that he thought she was going to run him over with her car. He actually was eventually charged and found guilty in her death. The charges didn't come immediately. They also didn't come because of pressure from the press. They came about from the normal course of an investigation that took time.

Also here in Utah, just the other day, a young white boy was shot and killed by a white police officer. Once again, no press. No yelling or riots. Was it a tragedy? Absolutely! Does the family think it was unjustified? I am not certain yet, but I believe that they do based upon their claims that he was unarmed.

There is reverse racism in America all of the time unfortunately. Those that claim that they want equality are often the ones that create the divide. When during one of the past riots (I believe over Trayvon Martin) happened, and a very innocent elderly woman was killed by a black man during those riots; where was the outrage?! I was outraged!! Those kinds of acts, the looting, the violence - these never bring back the dead. They just cause more to be injured - unnecessarily! They do not bring about justice. They just continue the divide that shouldn't exist.

I believe that police officers make mistakes. After all, they are human. But, I also believe that they put their lives on the line every day for us - the public. I respect them and I appreciate their service. I hope that there are not mistakes made, but we are all human. How many police officers are killed in the line of duty every week? How many times are there protests and huge informational, nationwide incidents made out of these deaths?

I hope that justice will be served either way. My personal belief in this case is that the officer will eventually be cleared. It sounds to me like he was threatened, and the suspect was fleeing (at least initially). Deadly force is not something to be used lightly, but public safety is supposed to be the officer's first concern.

Stepping down now off of my soap box! Sorry for the long post!!

I made a post in a previous thread, but here is MSM to back up my statements about white teens shot without the national media attention or presidential outrage:
White teen shot by LE: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58287556-78/taylor-lake-police-salt.html.csp
White young woman shot by LE: http://www.ksl.com/?sid=22804743 (the officer was eventually charged http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58089112-78/gill-cowley-police-willard.html.csp)


Bottom line, I do NOT think that we have all of the facts yet. I think that the media and the family have convicted this officer - and they claim it is because of racism - but NONE of that has been proven yet. If this had been reversed and MB had killed the officer, the family would have been screaming at the top of their lungs "Innocent until proven guilty". However, there is a reverse discrimination here that really bothers me against the LE officer.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I do think it is interesting that he had pot in his system and everyone says all pot does is make you passive.

The guy in the store video was anything but passive.

It is mellow..

What happened in the store, is terrible. I don't condone those actions but he shouldn't be dead either.

He should have been arrested and charged for that, not given the death penalty.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

No curfew tonight....

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Anyone watching CNN right now. hearing friend recall officers account of events?

 

[katydid23]

I don't see proof of that yet. Only the officers word. I need more back up for that. Some kind of proof of those events to believe it. I want to. I want to believe it. But right now I think this officer just lost control of the situation and overreacted.IMO

That is odd because we have video of a stoned teen, OVERREACTING AGGRESSIVELY, just 10 minutes before the shooting. There is no evidence that the officer was stoned, and no evidence that he was pushing a store clerk up against a wall, and stealing. Yet, you assume it was the officer that was aggressive and lost control, and not the stoned teen that had just committed a felony and was confronted by a cop. :waitasec:

 

[cady]

I know, makes no sense to me.

I think the Guard is there in limited capacity to protect the hiway patrol. The no curfew thing might be a good idea in that the peaceful people will go home early and the <modsnip> will be there to disrupt and hopefully get cleaned out by the Guard and H Patrol.............maybe...........JMO. NPR discussion was interesting. Looks like they think McCullough (sp?) won't bring charges, and may not assemble a GJ. We'll see. JMO

 

[Spellbound]

I have not heard that he was running at the officer. I have heard over and over that he put his hands up and was walking.

Fair enough --- I do not know if he was running or walking or standing, of moving toward or away from the officer. I do know there are conflicting reports. Seems to me most eyewitnesses may not be accurate as to the moment of the shooting, unless they were totally focused on the officer and the boy. Who really can say what is most accurate?

I have to to give a bit of doubt to both sides at this point. I see more conflict with the boy's side, JMO.

Missed the beginning, but CNN is reporting a caller (Josie) to a radio station is giving Wilson's account of the shooting with Michael grabbing for the gun. Will have the radio interview later today.

 

[oh_gal]

If our President was a white man, would you even think of "taking sides"? I am insulted at the suggestion! ^i^

I know this is probably terribly politically incorrect, but isn't he bi-racial? If you are bi-racial, do you identify yourself as one race or another?

 

[Ladylub]

That's your description, no one I heard said he was charging like a bull..only here..

What's been said as he was falling (has abrasions on his face where he hit the ground)..

Listen to the PC yourself, I posted it upthread, it might clear up things that are being said.

Did you watch the video that was posted repeatedly that has a gentleman stating he (MB) turned back to the officer and rushed him? Or the video of the female friend of the officer who told his side of the story? Both have said that MB rushed the officer. Its not just here. Now while you can put one account ( the friend) on the back burner for a second b/c she was never verified and cop might be lying. The one hanging out on the street has no reason to lie.

 

[nightwatch]

Oh My Lord. NOW the UN wants to get involved. CNN just read a UN PROCLAMATION urging the USA to investigate this tragic incident. :facepalm:

IMO the UN needs to turn their attention to Africa be busy with that emergency. Jmo

ciao

 

[liloleme]

Firing wildly in that manner could have gotten an innocent person shot dead.

I'm wondering how many shots were fired in total from Wilson's weapon, that hasn't been told.

Do you have a link saying that he "fired wildly"? Thanks!

 

[Ladylub]

I keep seeing this fought over the weapon, where is the proof? No other witness saw that, Wilson states that but is it the truth? Or is it just words to justify the killing?

But you can not just out right dismiss it.

 

[Jacie Estes]

How is the President taking sides?

I'm usually a pretty peaceful person. But when enough is enough I will do something. Peacefulness is not working here.The president needs to put and end to this and not take sides and no racial issues.

Personally I would have Bikers (out laws, Hells angels,all bikers ect... to keep the peace in as peaceful manner as possible.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I keep seeing this fought over the weapon, where is the proof? No other witness saw that, Wilson states that but is it the truth? Or is it just words to justify the killing?

Most witnesses claim to witness some sort of struggle with Wilson as Wilson was still in his vehicle.

Do you believe that little cop would actually reach up from a sitting position to grab a 300 pound 6 foot something man by the throat and attempt to pull him through the window?

Which scenario makes more sense to you.?????


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

Fair enough --- I do not know if he was running or walking or standing, of moving toward or away from the officer. I do know there are conflicting reports. Seems to me most eyewitnesses may not be accurate as to the moment of the shooting, unless they were totally focused on the officer and the boy. Who really can say what is most accurate?

I have to to give a bit of doubt to both sides at this point. I see more conflict with the boy's side, JMO.

Missed the beginning, but CNN is reporting a caller (Josie) to a radio station is giving Wilson's account of the shooting with Michael grabbing for the gun. Will have the radio interview later today.

I hear you.
What I heard is that It was DORIAN that went for the gun first. And if this is the case, Why is that guy not in jail or under arrest for his part in this situation.

Im still torn but I have to work backwards in cases like this.

I think the worst is trying to weed through the mess of reporting and grandstanding to get to the truth.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

NO< he was not out of danger. It doesnt work that way for Law Enforcement officers. If someone jumps them and tries to steal their weapon, assaults them physically, then that person cannot be allowed to just walk off into the crowd. Far too many killings of LE that happen out in broad daylight, no provocation. So if someone attacks a cop, they are not considered 'safe' to be out in the community.

Exactly, because if someone is in a state of mind to attack an armed LEO, what might they do to an innocent, unarmed citizen? (And in this case, we KNOW what this person would do...strong-arm robbery). IMO the LEO had an obligation to protect the public from a loose cannon, and he did.

 

[Phoebeb]

I think you're right in that he will end up being charged for it.

But, not because he SHOULD be. But, because if he isn't, there will be even bigger massacres. I mean, Obama's already in on this...

I wish someone that the protesters trust (maybe Ron Johnson) would clearly explain to the people how police shooting investigations work. They seem to think that the officer should be arrested for murder immediately (as they believe they would be). It may be frustrating, but they need to understand there is a procedure that has to play out, they need to hear THIS and that the investigation IS ongoing and that justice IS NOT being denied.

 

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