MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #6

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#Ferguson prosecutor: “We will be presenting absolutely everything to this grand jury. Every statement that a witness made..."

curious- Would people that saw, let's say, two minutes after the shooting be considered witnesses? Or would the witnesses be the people the saw anything leading up to the shooting? Would that just be the officer and the friend? Would that include the store clerk, the witness that called 911, MB's grandmother who saw him running down the street? TIA
 
curious- Would people that saw, let's say, two minutes after the shooting be considered witnesses? Or would the witnesses be the people the saw anything leading up to the shooting? Would that just be the officer and the friend? Would that include the store clerk, the witness that called 911, MB's grandmother who saw him running down the street? TIA

Ya, this kind of stuff is what I've been asking about...if there is anyone here that can help out, especially a verified attorney, that would be great.
 
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I have the same questions. It can't be as you described can it? You have brought up some very important questions in your post.

Also, didn't the prosecutor have a choice to proceed with a grand jury right now? Like today? Could he have waited in order to gain more time to collect evidence, statements and all of that? I wish that a verified attorney was here to help us.

I don't know how to feel about any of this GJ stuff either. I'm so confused.

I do know he could have waited. The political climate though is preventing that. I know for a fact that even a lawyer doesn't necessarily know the answers and would love to know if any of the posters are actually prosecutors/former prosecutors.
 
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Fox News Megyn Kelly & Confronts Pastor for Reversing Al Sharpton Criticism

White, though, said that he believes Officer Darren Wilson &#8220;is guilty.&#8221;

&#8220;He&#8217;s guilty of the unrest that has been caused by his actions,&#8221; he said, with Kelly pressing him to explain how he can be so sure. White continued, &#8220;Well, I know that because six shots, two to the head over an unarmed suspect who put his hands up.&#8221;

Kelly, though, vehemently disagreed.

&#8220;You cannot stand up and assert as fact as [Sharpton] did that Michael Brown posed no deadly threat,&#8221; she said. &#8220;If you had the answers, if Al Sharpton did, if the governor did, we wouldn&#8217;t need these 12 people to convene tomorrow and tell us whether this case should proceed.&#8221;

Watch the exchange below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKkbieKkliI
 
Reporter on Fox news said that Officer Wilson's report and pictures of injuries WILL be included in what they present to the Grand Jury today.
 
Holder meeting with community leaders. Okay, good first step.

Are all the heads of the various LE and national guard meeting to prepare for riot control when the GJ makes their announcement? They need to be proactive on this!

There is just no reasonable way the GJ can charge Officer Wilson. Using the GJ is a legal step where others are involved in making the decision and not the cops! Hope they have protection for those on the GJ in this small community. The smaller the community, the bigger the grape vine!

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Imo, USAG Eric Holder has about as much credibility as Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...er-dropping-new-black-panther-case-political/

Former Justice Department Lawyer Accuses Holder of Dropping New Black Panther Case for Racial Reasons
Black Panther Party voter intimidation case is accusing Attorney General Eric Holder of dropping the charges for racially motivated reasons.
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Foxfire, please open a thread in the PP for the political ramifications. Thanks!
 
Thanks betty. Does that mean the 12 witnesses that supposedly support the police officer won't be presented, nor evidence of the assault or the prior robbery? Surely that can't be the case, but all of that evidence is more in line with a "defense", not a prosecution of charges. If that's what we're saying, there is no way he isn't indicted if the prosecuting attorney does his job. Some may feel that, given all the evidence, that the cop was justified, but from what we're saying, that isn't even the question. The question of justification only comes later at trial/motions after charges are brought.

I just don't know how I feel about that.

Catching up, I'm not sure if my original answer has been expanded on.

How Does a Grand Jury Operate?
Q: How does a grand jury operate?
A: In carrying out its two functions of reviewing criminal charges which have been brought by police and prosecutors and conducting investigations of possible criminal behavior, the grand jury meets in secret, behind closed doors. Its proceedings are usually one-sided, and are very different from a trial. Unlike a public trial, the accused person is not present (unless he or she is called as a witness), nor is his/her counsel present (even if he is called as a witness). Also, witnesses are not cross-examined. Not even a judge is present in the grand jury room, although a judge will be contacted if a witness refuses to answer a question and the prosecutor wishes to cite the witness for contempt.

The prosecutor presents the state's case by asking the witness questions. The grand jurors also may ask questions, but neither the actual eyewitness to an alleged crime nor the alleged victim of that crime need to appear as witnesses. The rules that apply in court to exclude most hearsay evidence (evidence provided by someone who did not actually witness the crime) do not apply in the grand jury room. Therefore, a police officer may simply testify as to what eye-witnesses and alleged victims have said.

Further, information obtained by illegal police investigation, unconstitutional surveillance, or by unreliable means, can be heard and relied upon by grand jurors, even though that information would not be admissible if the case proceeded to trial. Finally, even if a prosecutor knows of information which would help show that the accused person is innocent, he is not required to present it to the grand jury. So, while two sides are presented in a trial, it may be that only one side will be presented in a grand jury proceeding.

https://www.ohiobar.org/forpublic/resources/lawyoucanuse/pages/lawyoucanuse-86.aspx

BBM

This case will be interesting, b/c some of what a prosecutor typically relies upon to seek an indictment might actually absolve Wilson of any wrong doing. Forensics, autopsy, etc., etc., usually point toward guilt of the "defendant."
 
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