Found Deceased MO - John Forsyth, 49, doctor, Mercy ER Clinic, Cassville, 21 May 2023 *car found*

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Everyone is speculating based solely on the very limited financial information we know (divorce settlement). I had sticker shock when I saw those numbers. However, after thinking about it, I realized that while those numbers seem astronomical to the average person, to a Dr making six figures with side businesses worth upwards of a million, there are not.

He was ordered to pay $5k a month in child support for 7 children. If he is making $300k a year salary, this would be 12% of his monthly gross income paid in child support. Or, the same as someone who makes $30k a year being ordered to pay $500 a month.

He was ordered to pay 15k a month in asset division. Again, if you make 30k a year, but have a house with 200k equity and a business worth 200k and don’t want to sell either, you would owe your ex 200k for 50% of your assets. If you pay 1500 a month for 10 years, you still would not satisfy your debt. Add a zero on the end of everything and you are in the Drs tax bracket.

From everything we have seen, he does not live an extravagant lifestyle. Personally, I have seen no evidence that he has money concerns. The only thing I have seen is numbers that are sticker shock to someone like me. JMOO
 
CryptoCurrency. Non-Liquid, or Liquid?
nhmemorymaker said:
Certainly we do have to consider the non-liquid assets as dictating this settlement....
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snipped for focus @nhmemorymaker Addressing only the above part of your post here.*
If crypto currencies are gen'ly non-liquid, then I'd agree that could be a major factor, a disadvantage to the holder, in negotiating a prop. settlement in Dis/Mar. or any lawsuit.

Been reading a bit on cryptocurrencies and NOT getting the impression that they are GENERALLY illiquid but could be missing authoritative sources making stmts. to that effect.

IDK how often Dr. F's cc was traded. Anyone know?? If a crypto currency is traded every day, would that indicate liquidity to you, iyo? Say, compared to selling real estate or a business, or even art, antiques, collectibles?

FWIW, ran across article on how to check liquidity of a SPECIFIC cryptocurrency.**

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*(I responded yesterday to other part about ct. order re continuing $ 15,000 payments until remarriage or death of husband or other ct. order).
** "How To Check Liquidity Of A Crypto: 3 Ways To Checks It"
^ BitKan - Buy Bitcoin, Ethereum and Altcoins With Ease. Appear BitKan is a cryptocurrency exchange and/or CC broker.
 
G.Keelie said:
This is perhaps a stretch, but we have seen something like this before. Could this possibly be a suicide disguised as a murder? I just saw a case on Forensic Files that put the idea in my head, but there are also other stories in this vein. I’m not really for or against this idea, it just came to mind.
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This is what I think, too, but maybe I've been watching too much YouTube: Joe Glinewicz.

If you have one gunshot wound to the head and a location in a a body of water, I suppose it's hard to distinguish between murder and suicide. An ER doc would know this!
 
RickshawFan said:
This is what I think, too, but maybe I've been watching too much YouTube: Joe Glinewicz.

If you have one gunshot wound to the head and a location in a a body of water, I suppose it's hard to distinguish between murder and suicide. An ER doc would know this!
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G.Keelie said:
This is perhaps a stretch, but we have seen something like this before. Could this possibly be a suicide disguised as a murder? I just saw a case on Forensic Files that put the idea in my head, but there are also other stories in this vein. I’m not really for or against this idea, it just came to mind.
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This is a re-post. My mind went there too:

There have been reported suicides that were made to look like murder. One strange case:

In February, police entertained the idea that Abrahamson's death might have been a suicide. The working theory became: He tied a gun to a string, attached it to the weather balloon, and once the shot was fired, the balloon carried the weapon away from the scene.

www.websleuths.com

Found Deceased - MO - John Forsyth, 49, doctor, Mercy ER Clinic, Cassville, 21 May 2023 *car found*

Has anyone found a plausible explanation for Dr. Forsyth leaving his RV unlocked and his car & RV keys, 2 cell phones, wallet, passport, driver’s license & briefcase in his unlocked car that isn't suicide? I can't. Were he planning to return to his life, neither vehicle would have been...
www.websleuths.com www.websleuths.com
 
Like many, I suspect this is money related.

It may be a cultural/religious thing, but JF's brother keeps going out of his way to point out his brother was wealthy.

We are told he is a bitcoin millionaire, but we don't know the financials of his own cryptocurrency venture. Does he secretly have millions, or did he lose it all with bad investments?

His divorce decree implies that payments to his ex-wife were a distribution of assets and debts, but reads like alimony. If this was an actual distribution, there would be some mechanism to assure she got her share. There is also verbiage in the decree which implies that he didn't have a lawyer involved with this. The $15,000/month "distribution" attracts my attention because that is a lot of money for a 2-year marriage. Did his financial situation improve massively between the two divorces?

I also wonder about his will, if he has one. Assuming he did, did he change it after his separation? after the divorce? Does his ex get the money? or does it go to the fiancee? Is there a trust for the kids?

I suspect the money trail will lead to the killer.

I wonder if he didn't borrow money from "the wrong people".
 
Wallendo said:
Like many, I suspect this is money related.

It may be a cultural/religious thing, but JF's brother keeps going out of his way to point out his brother was wealthy.

We are told he is a bitcoin millionaire, but we don't know the financials of his own cryptocurrency venture. Does he secretly have millions, or did he lose it all with bad investments?

His divorce decree implies that payments to his ex-wife were a distribution of assets and debts, but reads like alimony. If this was an actual distribution, there would be some mechanism to assure she got her share. There is also verbiage in the decree which implies that he didn't have a lawyer involved with this. The $15,000/month "distribution" attracts my attention because that is a lot of money for a 2-year marriage. Did his financial situation improve massively between the two divorces?

I also wonder about his will, if he has one. Assuming he did, did he change it after his separation? after the divorce? Does his ex get the money? or does it go to the fiancee? Is there a trust for the kids?

I suspect the money trail will lead to the killer.

I wonder if he didn't borrow money from "the wrong people".
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When I have watched the brother’s interviews his affect seems flat to me, which I think is due to shock and grief, imo. I imagine he’s in a daze.

But I also wonder if he’s concerned there’s an active danger to the doctor’s loved ones. As you said he has repeated a few times that money isn’t an issue. If he believes there’s a killer out there and the motive is money, he wants them to know there’s a pool of money available. (For example if the killer suffered a cryptocurrency loss and is looking to recoup it.)

My 2cents
 
Wallendo said:
Like many, I suspect this is money related.

It may be a cultural/religious thing, but JF's brother keeps going out of his way to point out his brother was wealthy.

We are told he is a bitcoin millionaire, but we don't know the financials of his own cryptocurrency venture. Does he secretly have millions, or did he lose it all with bad investments?

His divorce decree implies that payments to his ex-wife were a distribution of assets and debts, but reads like alimony. If this was an actual distribution, there would be some mechanism to assure she got her share. There is also verbiage in the decree which implies that he didn't have a lawyer involved with this. The $15,000/month "distribution" attracts my attention because that is a lot of money for a 2-year marriage. Did his financial situation improve massively between the two divorces?

I also wonder about his will, if he has one. Assuming he did, did he change it after his separation? after the divorce? Does his ex get the money? or does it go to the fiancee? Is there a trust for the kids?

I suspect the money trail will lead to the killer.

I wonder if he didn't borrow money from "the wrong people".
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The more the brother crows about how rich JF was, the more I think he didn't have any money at all.

But you'd think his ex would know his financial situation, and would ask for an amount of money that he could feasibly pay in court. So, who knows.
 
RickshawFan said:
This is what I think, too, but maybe I've been watching too much YouTube: Joe Glinewicz.

If you have one gunshot wound to the head and a location in a a body of water, I suppose it's hard to distinguish between murder and suicide. An ER doc would know this!
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Yet he seemed to really love life. If course aA one of us know him personally, yet , that seems to be the general perception of those who did know him.
It’s hard for me to make sense of it, with him committing suicide.

<modsnip: Speculation on bipolar or any other specific mental health disorders is not based on any known fact>
 
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Wallendo said:
Like many, I suspect this is money related.

It may be a cultural/religious thing, but JF's brother keeps going out of his way to point out his brother was wealthy.

We are told he is a bitcoin millionaire, but we don't know the financials of his own cryptocurrency venture. Does he secretly have millions, or did he lose it all with bad investments?

His divorce decree implies that payments to his ex-wife were a distribution of assets and debts, but reads like alimony. If this was an actual distribution, there would be some mechanism to assure she got her share. There is also verbiage in the decree which implies that he didn't have a lawyer involved with this. The $15,000/month "distribution" attracts my attention because that is a lot of money for a 2-year marriage. Did his financial situation improve massively between the two divorces?

I also wonder about his will, if he has one. Assuming he did, did he change it after his separation? after the divorce? Does his ex get the money? or does it go to the fiancee? Is there a trust for the kids?

I suspect the money trail will lead to the killer.

I wonder if he didn't borrow money from "the wrong people".
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where can I read about his two-year marriage please?
 
LadyL said:
where can I read about his two-year marriage please?
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He divorced his wife (he filed for divorce), and then remarried her and she eventually filed for divorce.

It is reported that after his first divorce his wife received $4000/month alimony, But after the second divorce, she received $14000/month. The second marriage didn't last long.
 
LadyL said:
where can I read about his two-year marriage please?
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Click on the Case.Net hyperlinks for JOHN R FORSYTH V PENNY L FORSYTH and PENNY L FORSYTH V JOHN R FORSYTH, then click on the heading "Docket Entries".

The marriage records are available online but you have to search by the county where the marriage took place.
 
Vresia said:
CAUSE OF DEATH "CUT AND DRY"!!!

Elizabeth VanMetre responded to questions in the FB thread associated with this video. In one response, she said "the coroner for this case told me the cause of death is “cut and dry” and they have it but will not release details yet." This leads me to move from likely suicide to 100% homicide.
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I watched the video, but didn’t catch if they definitely have ruled the *manner* of death. I understood it is being investigated as a homicide, but suicide hasn’t been ruled out, if I heard it correctly.

I’ll have to listen to it again. There were many details.
 
<modsnip: Referenced info was modsnipped> I know that risky behaviour is a possible sign of someone who is suicidal. IMO, his behaviour seemed risky. (Choosing to continue living in an RV after an alleged kidnapping seems like an unsafe choice, imo. If the kidnapping story isn’t true, that’s a red flag.)

He just seemed to have many significant life changes in a short amount of time and what looks to be a crushing amount of responsibilities.
 
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Puzzles8 said:
The subject of Life Insurance has come up.

At this point, I don't think we know if there was any Life Insurance on JF or not.

I found an interesting article detailing Life Insurance. Here are some highlights.
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Although you cannot take a life insurance policy out on just anyone, you can take a life insurance policy out on another person under certain circumstances. Life insurance is typically purchased to provide financial security to dependents or beneficiaries in the event of an untimely death of an insured individual. To purchase a policy on another person, you must have their consent while simultaneously proving that their loss could put a negative strain on your current financial situation.
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When purchasing a life insurance policy, there are three parties involved:


  • Policyholder: The policyholder is the owner of the policy, makes premium payments and is authorized to make changes.
  • Insured: This is the person whose life is insured by the policy. The policy’s death benefit will typically be paid out upon the insured’s death, given the death occurs within the policy period and there is no evidence of fraud, criminal activity or non-payment of premium.
  • Beneficiary: This is the person or people listed on the life insurance policy who will receive the death benefit when the insured dies. Beneficiaries can also be trusts, estates or organizations.
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It is possible to take out life insurance on someone else only if there is some relationship between you, such as a business partner, spouse or parent — and only if the person being insured consents to a life insurance policy being taken out on them.
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However, you must be able to demonstrate that the person’s earning potential impacts your life. For example, you likely will not be able to take out a policy on a friend whose finances do not have any affect on your life or everyday wellbeing. However, you can probably take out a policy on a spouse whose income you rely on since their death could cause a financial hardship on your life
.....
www.bankrate.com

Can you take a life insurance policy out on anyone? | Bankrate

Bankrate explains when you can take a life insurance policy out on someone else.
www.bankrate.com

There is much more detail in the article, but you get the gist. There might have been several people that could have had policies on JF.

JMO

Pardon my formatting!
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Perhaps an insurance expert can clarify, but my understanding is that in Missouri, signatures are required for life insurance policies, so anyone who has a policy on Dr. F, would have had to have done so with his consent.
 
Wallendo said:
He divorced his wife (he filed for divorce), and then remarried her and she eventually filed for divorce.

It is reported that after his first divorce his wife received $4000/month alimony, But after the second divorce, she received $14000/month. The second marriage didn't last long.
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thank you I knew about his first wife but I was thinking you were referring to another person
 
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