MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[liz b.]

7:30 pm by mom and brothers. That is when she was put to bed.

10:30 pm mom checked on baby Lisa before she went to bed. Closed her bedroom door following and went to bed with her six year old son, the new stray kitten while the 8 year old son of Jeremy went to bed in the other bedroom. (his and six year old's bedroom.Albeit, as stated above six year old went with mom.)

Lavanda,
Do you have a link which states that the 6 year old went to bed when Deb did ? TIA I've not seen it mentioned when either boy went to bed ? TY

 

[BeanE]

The local/WS member was very careful not to say that the person on the steps is the teen in question. The member only verified that the house in the picture had been of some unmentioned type of interest to the WS member. The member also stated the location and proximity of that house but was very careful about mentioning specific people at the house. Only said it was not abandoned and that there were "issues" at that house.

Thanks, Just K.

 

[Gardenlady]

If I understand the information we have available everyone the parents listed as possible suspects have been questioned and theoretically cleared (for now, obviously). We know this kid had DNA drawn, but this doesn't mean anything in terms of guilt or even suspicion of guilt -- the crime scene guys would want his DNA to help them identify samples. They likely secured DNA from everyone who has visited the home and was willing to provide a sample. Right now they are looking for DNA that they cannot identify.

Consider what we (think we) know. Do you really believe this kid walked in the unlocked front door of the home (how did he know it was unlocked?), turned on the lights (because why would he want to be sneaky right?), grabbed a few cellphones and maybe make a call on one (probably updating his twitter account: "lulz breaking into the neighbors house now lulz!"), maybe paused to grab some milk (the jerk probably drank it straight from the bottle!), then for no particular reason he decides to kidnap and murder a kid (if the teen did it the infant is dead, right?). Does this scenario make even the slightest bit of sense?

To me it does not. To me it sounds ridiculous. Your mileage may vary.

Hey Chris, likely they have talked to others, but none have been mentioned in MSM. Same with taking DNA samples. As I said before, since what we can go on here is what is reported in MSM, that's what I'm going on. If they mention someone else specifically, I'll probably have an opinion on that too, when it happens.

Right now, given the people we know who are have been interviewed (parents and the teen), had DNA samples taken (the teen), I think the teen fits better. I see no motive for mom or dad, nor do I get a guilty vibe from either of them. I can think of several scenarios for the unnamed (and, gender unknown - so far I thi you are the only one who has assigned him a gender) teen, and yes, I see him or her fitting with what we know (familiar with house, comings/goings of parents, familiar to baby, familiar to the dog that didn't bark).

 

[JBean]

Someone posted a link last night to a news update which revealed DB is still married. There was supposed to be an update at 10 revealing DB's checkered past - I've spent an hour trying to find the first news update in order to watch the second news update.....HELP please....anyone remember this and where I might find the first one? Thanks

if you do a search on chequered and checkered in the past threads you will find just about everything we know--and more LOL!

 

[Patty G]

Has it been mention if they used baby monitors?

According to the mother when she was on Judge Jeannie's show last night, the baby monitor was on in Lisa's room.

 

[BeanE]

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That's not the picture of the person on the steps. That's a completely different - and VERY blurred picture. There are 4 or 5 people in that picture, all extremely blurred.

I'm not getting the connection. Would appreciate if someone would tell me in terms a 6 year old would understand, because it's just not sinking in to my old brain.

 

[alwayslooking]

Someone posted a link last night to a news update which revealed DB is still married. There was supposed to be an update at 10 revealing DB's checkered past - I've spent an hour trying to find the first news update in order to watch the second news update.....HELP please....anyone remember this and where I might find the first one? Thanks

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-bradleys-family-talks-about-past-20111008,0,1316565.story

It was carp, just trying to get viewer's!

 

[SyraKelly]

I think that some people, when they go out in public, have a steely face which they put on, as a form of protection. He isn't just out in public he is out on television. He may just have decided to steel himself a certain way, in order to keep a barrier up and not allow people in, to speculate.

yes.I understand what your saying,maybe what I am trying to say is..is the reason he is somewhat unemotional towards her-is B/C he saw her face or behavior that night and something did not sit well with him and he is trying hard to believe she had nothing to do with it.but his heart just won't let him forget how he saw her that night...KWIM

 

[jadejazzkayla]

The only problem I have with it being the teen is that there has been no reporting of the teen being taken to the PD and questioned. With all the reporters milling around I would expect one of them to mention it, if it was a fact.

If they are truly looking at the teen why haven't they done that? We did hear of an hour long interview in a neighbors home.

If in fact the police asked the teen if they could take him to the police station to be questioned - he may have declined.

 

[cluciano63]

Personally I think the media ran with the story about the teen because it is so eye-catching...he/she may be one of many people who gave DNA, but look at how much excitement was caused by the fact that a "teen" was among them...JMO.

 

[tlcya]

I think, since it is still being debated and it is obviously unclear if the pictured teen is the DNA sampled teen, I will avoid the topic of the teen or the verified house altogether as topic in my posts. I will keep any posts about possible involvement by a neighbor/teen general and not cite the video footage or stills therefrom as I speculate on the possibility of a neighbor/teen's involvement.

For me, that would seem to be the safest tact while remaining within TOS.

 

[wfgodot]

I think, since it is still being debated and it is obviously unclear if the pictured teen is the DNA sampled teen, I will avoid the topic of the teen or the verified house altogether as topic in my posts. I will keep any posts about possible involvement by a neighbor/teen general and not cite the video footage or stills therefrom as I speculate on the possibility of a neighbor/teen's involvement.

For me, that would seem to be the safest tact while remaining within TOS.

Amen, tlcox. I'll sign that pledge.

 

[tlcya]

Just wanted to take a moment to offer a big shoutout to Shelby1 who has worked so tirelessly to be the keeper of our timeline. Thank you so much for all the hard work!

 

[JBean]

Just wanted to take a moment to offer a big shoutout to Shelby1 who has worked so tirelessly to be the keeper of our timeline. Thank you so much for all the hard work!

I am going to move it up to the timeline forum so it is always available.
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150977"]Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[mentalsolstice]

I hate to even say this-but I have been trying to figure out why this weight issue is bothering me. It seems so basic to know your childs weight and to make sure it is accurate on a missing flyer.
Didn't we see that on the missing flyers for Caylee Anthony? I think her weight was overstated by quite a bit-am I remembering that correctly?

Could be something-could be nothing.

I think it could be an unfortunate typo that wasn't caught before it was printed. I'm not reading anything into it all.

 

[BeanE]

Someone posted a link last night to a news update which revealed DB is still married. There was supposed to be an update at 10 revealing DB's checkered past - I've spent an hour trying to find the first news update in order to watch the second news update.....HELP please....anyone remember this and where I might find the first one? Thanks

I tried to find the update too, and couldn't. I also tried to find the checkers, and couldn't find a single one.

 

[Gardenlady]

Just wanted to take a moment to offer a big shoutout to Shelby1 who has worked so tirelessly to be the keeper of our timeline. Thank you so much for all the hard work!

Was just going to post the same thing. Shelbys timeline has saved me soooo many hours of catch up! :blowkiss: thanks so much!! :blowkiss:

 

[CHICANA]

If I understand the information we have available everyone the parents listed as possible suspects have been questioned and theoretically cleared (for now, obviously). We know this kid had DNA drawn, but this doesn't mean anything in terms of guilt or even suspicion of guilt -- the crime scene guys would want his DNA to help them identify samples. They likely secured DNA from everyone who has visited the home and was willing to provide a sample. Right now they are looking for DNA that they cannot identify.

Consider what we (think we) know. Do you really believe this kid walked in the unlocked front door of the home (how did he know it was unlocked?), turned on the lights (because why would he want to be sneaky right?), grabbed a few cellphones and maybe make a call on one (probably updating his twitter account: "lulz breaking into the neighbors house now lulz!"), maybe paused to grab some milk (the jerk probably drank it straight from the bottle!), then for no particular reason he decides to kidnap and murder a kid (if the teen did it the infant is dead, right?). Does this scenario make even the slightest bit of sense?

To me it does not. To me it sounds ridiculous. Your mileage may vary.

Could it be possible this teen had problems at home & they let him sleep on their couch at times ? Maybe even left the door unlocked for him ? This would explain the lights being on & the boldness of the crime. If mom had woke up he could have explained his presence. Maybe he was in the house for awhile & realized that nobody had woke up or knew he was there. Maybe this wasn't planned at all & he used the phone before deciding to take her. Lots of wild speculation here. Sorry

 

[In da Middle]

Our verified local ID'd the house as the one the teen lives in.

I only verified this as the house where 'a teen' was questioned and it was a 'he'.

 

[BeanE]

Well there is only one "HE" in that picture and the local verified that the teen is a he. I don't see the pic as very blurred.

hmmm... maybe I need new glasses (or even new eyes!) then because I can't even tell if there are 4 or 5 people in that picture. It is *very* blurred to me, and of the people I can see, I couldn't begin to tell you if they're male or female. I even enlarged the pic and applied some filters to it to try to clarify it.