MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

[tlcya]

Thank you In da Middle, for your clarification.

House is house of a male teen who was questioned.

I imagine many folks, particularly neighbors have been interviewed and questioned by LE (I sure would hope so anyway - SOP)

This teen neighbor angle could be something or nothing and my posts will carefully reflect that.
JMO

 

[alwayslooking]

I only verified this as the house where 'a teen' was questioned and it was a 'he'.

Thank God you are back! :seeya:

 

[Tuffy]

If in fact the police asked the teen if they could take him to the police station to be questioned - he may have declined.

So, I believe that if they had reasonable cause to believe the teen was involved in any way, they would have taken him/her into custody.

 

[BeanE]

I thought your question was about which house it was. I'm verifying that the verified local (lol) has verified that's the house.

Our local can verify if that's the teen. Not sure about that.

My concern is the person on the steps being pointed to as the DNA teen, along with implications that the person on the steps was involved in a baby's kidnapping.

Perhaps our local will pop by and let us know if he/she is willing to point the finger at the person on the steps and say that's the DNA teen. I'm going to bet not, as in the local's post, it seemed to me that our local was trying to be careful not to point fingers at any person. I dunno though.

Thanks for your help, Shelby. :grouphug:

ETA: Posted this before I saw that In Da Middle had posted just above. Thank you to In Da Middle! The person on the steps is off the table as the DNA teen.

 

[IAM]

I have not heard much about the teen recently, is there a link I can go to?

Two more thoughts: I find the timing and location of the dumpster fire and the timing of phone call from cell phone far too much of a coincidence. Possibly just a diversion or perhaps the perp thought that LE would connect it and cast off suspicion of them.

And, has LE asked the 6 year old if he ever sleeps in his mom's bed and who's idea it was. If this child was not yet asleep, or he woke up for some reason and they did not need him up possibly discovering something, having him sleep with her would be the solution. I think in the diagram of the house I saw that his room was right next to Lisa's.

1 more thought: it is puzzling to me that the dad was not requested to take a poly.

 

[Shelby1]

I am going to move it up to the timeline forum so it is always available.
Lisa Irwin-Timeline - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Should I quit putting my updated ones down here and always put the updated ones up there?

 

[momtective]

Thank God you are back! :seeya:

Indeed! :great:

 

[Patty G]

It appears to me that the indiviudual sitting on the steps, is the same individual standing with the other people. Take notice of black shirt and jeans and this individual is rather tall.

 

[raeann]

Garage is far from the home. Not attached. It is in the backyard and attached to garage is fence with dog.

Not that one....if you look at the pictures of the BACK of the house you will see the lower level ATTACHED garage. The large building behind is a workshop or extra garage but there is definitely a drive in attached garage on the back of the house clearly visible in the photos posted here.

 

[Gardenlady]

I have not heard much about the teen recently, is there a link I can go to?

Two more thoughts: I find the timing and location of the dumpster fire and the timing of phone call from cell phone far too much of a coincidence. Possibly just a diversion or perhaps the perp thought that LE would connect it and cast off suspicion of them.

And, has LE asked the 6 year old if he ever sleeps in his mom's bed and who's idea it was. If this child was not yet asleep, or he woke up for some reason and they did not need him up possibly discovering something, having him sleep with her would be the solution. I think in the diagram of the house I saw that his room was right next to Lisa's.

1 more thought: it is puzzling to me that the dad was not requested to take a poly.

Link for the teen info (still in my clipboard lol):
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-teen-questioned-police-california-tip/t/story?id=14695496

 

[curiousc]

My thinking is that whomever took Baby Lisa knew that the father would not be home that night and knew his hours of work. First time on night shifts? Seriously, the biggest chance that a stranger would abduct Lisa is if they watched the house for a few weeks to grasp the routines of the household.

To me that limits possibilities of who did this.

I stated a theory last night about perhaps DB being overwhelmed (dad gone for the first night) with three kids and one being sick. Babies who have a cold and a cough tend to wake up a lot in the night. Perhaps she was sleep deprived and snapped. Perhaps she has PND.

I am still on the fence about DB but what she's said and the dad has said about the circumstances that night just seem off.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

They need to change the "please drop her off at a church, fire station or police station and just walk away...no questions asked." If a kidnapper had second thoughts, not one of those places is a "safe place" to leave Baby Lisa because they all have video cameras. People are not dumb.

Better chance for them to walk in a mom/pop restaurant, gas station with outdoor bathroom, an older church or building in a rural area that may not have a video camera with baby carrier and leave baby in a locked bathroom and carry baby carrier out the door as if a baby still in it. Or for that matter leave the baby at a campground bathroom...I"ve never seen video cameras at any of those. Then make call to restaurant (or wherever they left baby) from a throw away phone to tell them where baby is.

 

[Patty G]

Not that one....if you look at the pictures of the BACK of the house you will see the lower level ATTACHED garage. The large building behind is a workshop or extra garage but there is definitely a drive in attached garage on the back of the house clearly visible in the photos posted here.

Would you kindly post the link that shows the photo of the garage. Thanks.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Good morning all ....I see that sadly there is nothing new...

 

[jadejazzkayla]

So, I believe that if they had reasonable cause to believe the teen was involved in any way, they would have taken him/her into custody.

that is a given and the same goes for the parents - If LE has any probable cause, it is not enough to arrest anyone.

 

[In da Middle]

Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7207450#post7207450"]

[/ame]
So the person in the pic is the teen that had the DNA taken? How do we know that?

TIA

It's been vetted locally.

I never stated that is where the DNA came from because I don't know that it was, only that they were questioning 'a teen' from that house and it fit into my theory that it was not random. I clearly stated that I was not saying anything more about 'this teen' other than there are some known 'issues' and by proximity and personal relationship to the family only this family should be questioned more.

 

[yllek]

When it was first reported that a teen neighbor was being questioned, it was stated that the teen was believed to have been in the house earlier in the day. Could be a million reasons for that. Our verified local says it's a "he", don't know if LE or press ever mentioned the sex? In any case, if the teen was in the house that day; the teen must be questioned and DNA taken as a matter of routine imo. Until noted otherwise, I'm assuming anyone in that house that day is a potential information source when there are gaps in the time line. Never hurts to keep asking questions hoping some helpful detail may be remembered. Waiting for more info to see if there's anything more to the story with the teen. MOO.

According to the report, investigators questioned and took DNA samples from a teenage neighbor whom they believe was in the Irwin home earlier in the day that Lisa disappeared.

Snipped from: http://www.kmbc.com/news/29428139/detail.html#ixzz1aImD4k3T

P.s. What does concern me is that investigators "believe" the teen may have been in the house that day. Wouldn't the parents and the teen be able to confirm or deny, or is that part of the gap in the time line (or is there some reason to believe the teen was in the house and the parents did not know or will not say?). Or, could just be vague wording in the reporting. Waiting...

 

[matou]

Another weird thought: Why would anyone who is abducting a child light almost all the lights in the house? Wouldn't this increase the chances of anyone being able to see inside of the house? The husband could have come home at any point, assuming the abductor knew the people who lived there and their routine. What if the husband was going out for a drink that night or meeting friends? Either the person who did this knew the husband was at work and when he would be home or it's totally random and the abductor did all sorts of crazy things that would normally wake someone up (my opinion) or this is an inside job. Tampering with a window would make noise, and the window is facing the street. Was the porch light on too? I heard that the husband stated that there was more than one window open when he got home. Anyone remember that?

 

[BeanE]

I only verified this as the house where 'a teen' was questioned and it was a 'he'.

Thanks, Middle.

 

[SuziQ]

I only verified this as the house where 'a teen' was questioned and it was a 'he'.

Thank you for clarifying. I hate to put words in other peoples mouths.