MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #10

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You mean like they've taken the parents into custody, the ones many speculate LE believe were somehow involved?

Sorry, your post is simply my jumping off point and prompting this thought and is not aimed at you or anyone specific.

We have all done a decent job of keeping a cool head in this case although occasionally some of us, myself included, have had our moments of frustration.

In a nutshell, the thought I am trying to express is that while LE may question many, including the parents, associates, neighbors, the mail man, and whoever. No person has been named a suspect or even a POI.

As this day progresses I hope that we can all keep our wits about us in our great concern over baby Lisa.

We are all going to have theories, ideas and things that make us go hmmmmmm . . . and that is the beauty of this site.

I learn the most from those with whom I disagree sometimes.

The post I was responding to was stating that perhaps the teen had refused to speak to the police further. I believe that if the teen weren't cooperating with the investigation, and the police believed he were involved, they likely would have taken him into custody. I don't believe the police would just move on if he weren't cooperating.

Even if the police believe the parents are involved, there isn't reason to take them into custody, because as far as we know they are still speaking with police, and cooperating.

That's the only point I was trying to make with my post. Just for the record, I don't believe this teen to be involved. Quite the opposite. I feel very bad for him because I see no reason to suspect him.
 
KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@KCjoker @lazlothebuzz (2) ...it remains an ongoing investigation. They have 50 detectives who have worked this case & not done yet.
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KrisKetz Kris Ketz
@KCjoker @lazlothebuzz there are NO suspects in this case but public confusion about the case comes from what little PD is saying.
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KrisKetz Kris Ketz
#LisaIrwin t-shirts available at Kansas Speedway today. post.ly/3XDgE
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KrisKetz Kris Ketz
Report: Teen Interviewed In Baby #LisaIrwin Case lsnlw.com/t/1874939358/ #fb
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kshbphotog Brandon Billinger
It appears as though police detectives are searching #lisairwin's home again. @NBCActionNews @todayshow
2 minutes ago

Police are back out at #lisairwins home. Odd that they have their flashing lights on. @nbcactionnews
12 minutes ago

Very interesting to hear what people at the local Wendy's about baby Lisa. Sure they are loving all the business from the tv crews!
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Brandon Billinger
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These were the exact words by "in da middle" when someone posted a picture of a home in question

"YES!!!!! that is exactly the house I was inquiring about if anybody had an image of. And yes I have my reasons and this is the teen that immediately that came to mind!!!! Yes it is a 'he' and yes lets just say this family has 'issues'. FYI house is on the other side of the street from them on the corner of lister and chelsea. "

Thats it. Nothing less. Nothing more. Hope that clears things up for everyone and thanks in da middle for your local help :seeya:
 
Hi all-
LONGTIME lurker....firstime poster. Just wanted to share a story with all of you. This is because until this (story) happened to a friend of mine, I ALWAYS had major doubts about the 'stranger came in the middle of the night', as statistics alone show this is very rare. BUT...this incident below happened to my friend just a few months ago, and about 30 days later, a similar circumstance at another home about 5 minutes away. These stories were not in our local news, or ANY reports anywhere. I just know about them first hand.....so there must be plenty of 'attempts' we just are never made aware of. I didn't use anyones actual names in this story to protect their privacy. Here is the story-

On Friday XXXX 24th at 1:00 am HUSBAND and I were sound asleep and I was awakened into a lighter sleep because I heard what I thought was HUSBAND opening our window. It seemed to be a struggle for him to get it open and was taking him forever. I asked him what he was doing and when he replied mumbling like he didn't know what I was talking about, I realized he was still sound asleep and that was not him trying to open our window. I jumped out of bed, turned on the flashlight and frantically kept saying HONEY, HONEY, HONEY, someone is opening our window. After HE woke up and him looking at me like I was crazy, we saw the window, which had been closed for the night, half open and the screen behind the window totally pulled up (which was also closed prior). The person must have ran off, but our blinds and drapes were closed so we couldn't see anything. We immediately called 911 while running into the girls rooms to make sure they were okay, thank God, they were. We also ran and locked all of our windows, which I never do...that will obviously change. When the police came to investigate, they saw the Little Tikes baby slide had been pushed up under our window as a ladder. They did fingerprinting on the window and took the screen and slide for fingerprinting. They brought a canine from the XXXX police department to come sniff and follow the person's scent. The canines showed that this person parked at the end of our street, hugged close to each house until it got to ours and went right into the backyard, to the slide, and to our window. Amazing that a dog can figure all of this out, but this made me more nervous because it obviously shows this person had intent in coming to our house and didn't even try a door. It's almost as if he had planned that he was coming through the window in advance. The police said it's a weird situation since it was obvious people were home since there were cars in the driveway. Again, which makes all of us nervous because it makes us think he wasn't looking to steal things, but more with an evil intent, as stealing is mostly done during the day when people are not home. I'm obviously upset and all I can keep thinking is this person wanted to hurt one of us or kidnap one of the girls. It is going to take a long time for me to get over this.

I will say, I have so many praises from this situation because I have no doubt that God was protecting us. Praise God he tried to come in through our window, one window over and it was baby's room. Honestly, I can't even let myself think about what would have happened. Praise God our windows stink and are really hard and loud to open because if we had nice new windows, I don't think I would have heard it. Thank God I woke up when I did and realized that it was not HUSBAND opening the window, honestly one minute later would have made this story different.

So, what's next? We met with an alarm company yesterday and are getting a hard-core alarm system installed. Something we never thought we'd do is that we are seriously considering buying a dog, because we have read it's the number one way of preventing intruders from entering your home. We are pretty much willing to spend whatever we need to in order to protect our family. So sad that this happened, we are forever changed. I hope I can get over this fear and I am sure I will, with time. I never thought this would happen to us, but it's always one of those irrational fears that you think about, but push to the side.

Hope everyone locks your doors and windows at night!



That being said....one of the major red flags for me with Baby Lisa's case is from the FIRST interview I saw with the parents where they mentioned the missing cell phones...'they took them so we couldn't call 911'. I think it was a pre-planned answer. Maybe the dad asked the mom (if he truly came home and found Lisa missing)....why the he77 would they take the phones??....and she had already had an answer to offer up to him, mom desperately hoping dad would 'buy it'. Or, Lisa was not kidnapped, they needed to hide cells to hide something...and they discussed an excuse in advance together. I think it was the first HUGE stumbling block for LE in believing the story. Either parent could have easily said....'that's good, that's good!!!!' It's a way for the police to track them!!!

There's so much MORE to say and to find out. I pray there is some new info today!!
 
Hello kmartin96, and welcome to the world of posting at WS.
 
CliffJudy Cliff Judy
#LisaIrwin family & friends handing out fliers, selling shirts right now at KS Speedway. Corner of Daytona & Talladega. g.co/maps/uhqzy
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I have a possibly dumb, possibly irrelevant question about the list of 9 or so people drawn up by JI. Why would a woman cheating on her husband kidnap a baby? Sorry, not trying to be dumb or snarky here, but I do not see how those 2 ideas are even related. I understood the other things, like a woman who has recently lost a child, but this one escapes me. Maybe it's because I am happily childfree, or because I've never cheated, I dunno...sometimes I think my tagline should be "expert in neuroscience, generally clueless otherwise." :rolleyes:

Yeah, I don't get the whole divorced, or cheating on the husband thing either. If the police asked me right now who I would suspect in my life of such a thing, I doubt I could name one person. I don't really associate with anyone that I believe would be capable of hurting my kids.

I don't think I would come up with "well let me think if I know of anyone who's been cheating on their husband..." :waitasec:
 
Time for Gardenlady to get some work done in the garden while the weather is so beautiful!

Hoping to come back and see good news for baby Lisa!

I will be doing that tomorrow; we had our first official snow yesterday so garden time is near the end. :( Food freezing time coming up. :)
 
You mean like they've taken the parents into custody, the ones many speculate LE believe were somehow involved?

Sorry, your post is simply my jumping off point and prompting this thought and is not aimed at you or anyone specific.

We have all done a decent job of keeping a cool head in this case although occasionally some of us, myself included, have had our moments of frustration.

In a nutshell, the thought I am trying to express is that while LE may question many, including the parents, associates, neighbors, the mail man, and whoever. No person has been named a suspect or even a POI.

As this day progresses I hope that we can all keep our wits about us in our great concern over baby Lisa.

We are all going to have theories, ideas and things that make us go hmmmmmm . . . and that is the beauty of this site.

I learn the most from those with whom I disagree sometimes.

BEM: Isn't that the truth. If we all thought alike and agreed with everything and everyone, we'd soon die of boredom and learn nothing. There used to be a poster on a forum for JonBenet, 1999, I believe - and one of the posters and I used to throw down in the private area over Bill Clinton and other issues political - but I fondly remember that poster to this day as someone who challenged me to research and fact find before I started running off at the mouth. I learned a great deal from her and think of her often.. :seeya: Cher.

Sorry for going on, but your one line stuck out for me. We can agree to disagree, or even end up agreeing, but it should never be personal.
 
Welcome, kmartin96! Scary story, I'm glad you're all ok.

btw- I like your user name. I saw it as kmart! :D
 
Yeah, I don't get the whole divorced, or cheating on the husband thing either. If the police asked me right now who I would suspect in my life of such a thing, I doubt I could name one person. I don't really associate with anyone that I believe would be capable of hurting my kids.

I don't think I would come up with "well let me think if I know of anyone who's been cheating on their husband..." :waitasec:

The only connection I could think of is someone cheating on their H with the kidnapped child's father - as a sort of revenge thing against her lover's wife, or to create drama and swoop to the rescue or a la Fatal Attraction or similar. However not seeming to be the case here, so I'm also not sure why a random affair would lead to kidnap either.
 
kshbphotog Brandon Billinger
It appears as though police detectives are searching #lisairwin's home again. @NBCActionNews @todayshow
2 minutes ago

Police are back out at #lisairwins home. Odd that they have their flashing lights on. @nbcactionnews
12 minutes ago

Very interesting to hear what people at the local Wendy's about baby Lisa. Sure they are loving all the business from the tv crews!
34 minutes ago


Brandon Billinger
@kshbphotog Kansas
News Photojournalist, father, and Daddy Blogger. The views and opinions on this account do not reflect the views of KSHB-TV.
http://twitter.com/#!/kshbphotog

LE having their lights flashing as they return to the home is interesting...
 
A post awhile back (this thread) indicated that mom had been on the computer that night and left the window open in the computer room. I may have missed this in MSM - anybody recall this being reported in MSM?

Do we know if any computers have been removed from the house for investigative purposes? This could be a good lead if mom was in contact with someone on the computer that night.

TY Elepher, that is news to me, and it answers a question I had about the window being left open... I have never heard anything about her being on the computer before...MOO
 
Deb said on the show last night that on Thurs after the LDT, as well as on Tues, LE said to her, "You killed her".

There's also another video - I *think* it's an ABC news video - where Deb discusses LE having said to her, "You killed her", but I can't remember if she gave the timeframe in which they'd said it.

ETA: This is the video:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/inside-baby-lisas-home-14693905?tab=9482931&section=1206833

ETA again: Just listened to video again. Reference is to hours after Lisa went missing, on Tuesday, that LE said "You killed her" to Deb.

thanks, BeanE, you are so efficient! I still wonder , though, because DB SAID that they accused her directly; did they or is this how she took it? Guess I will just leave it at that and take her at her word; it came from her mouth to my eyes and ears.
I'm on "the Great Wall" right now and take everything that comes from the media spokespersons with a grain of salt and a wait and see attitude but thankfully they are getting Lisa's case out there!
Someone PLEASE TELL WHERE LISA IS!!!
 
The post I was responding to was stating that perhaps the teen had refused to speak to the police further. I believe that if the teen weren't cooperating with the investigation, and the police believed he were involved, they likely would have taken him into custody. I don't believe the police would just move on if he weren't cooperating.

Even if the police believe the parents are involved, there isn't reason to take them into custody, because as far as we know they are still speaking with police, and cooperating.

That's the only point I was trying to make with my post. Just for the record, I don't believe this teen to be involved. Quite the opposite. I feel very bad for him because I see no reason to suspect him.

aw dang it. I know that Tuffy. Like I said, your post just prompted the thought, I wasn't disagreeing with you or challenging your line of reasoning in any way.

It was simply that your thought prompted mine. Sorry if you thought anything else.
 
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