MO - Police officer fatally shoots Vonderrick Myers in south St. Louis #1

[tlcya]

I am so over St. Louis and its burbs. Seriously over it. To me this is simple. HOW NOT TO GET SHOT BY AUTHORITIES IN AMERICA:

1) Don't be out engaged in criminal activity or engage in furtive behaviors which suggests some sort of criminal activity.

2) When confronted by someone, LE, property owner or private security working for property owner or neighborhood governing body DO NOT PULL A GUN AND PROCEED TO FIRE AT THEM!

 

[popsicle]

joelcurrier @joelcurrier · 2h2 hours ago

Mgr of Shaw Market says surveillance vid shows Vonderick Myers (blk tshirt) had no gun when he bought sandwich.



joelcurrier @joelcurrier · 1h1 hour ago

Berhe Beyent, Shaw Market mgr, disputes @SLMPD's acct of #shawshooting 10 min after Myers left store. "That's not the way he was," he said.

Clarifying: Market mgr saying Myers had no gun in store is HIS opinion based on surveillance video. #shawshooting

 

[popsicle]

So, since he didn't rob the store or steal the sandwich... he didn't have a gun?

 

[jennapuppy]

As I was watching the livestream last night, protesters were blocking an intersection and a protester fired a gun at a police SUV after it made its way through the crowd, and shattered the back glass. I hope that's not a prelude to what's in store for LE this weekend when the large protests begin.

 

[krimekat]

joelcurrier @joelcurrier · 2h2 hours ago

Mgr of Shaw Market says surveillance vid shows Vonderick Myers (blk tshirt) had no gun when he bought sandwich.
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joelcurrier @joelcurrier · 1h1 hour ago

Berhe Beyent, Shaw Market mgr, disputes @SLMPD's acct of #shawshooting 10 min after Myers left store. "That's not the way he was," he said.

Clarifying: Market mgr saying Myers had no gun in store is HIS opinion based on surveillance video. #shawshooting

snitches get stitches

business in urban America today

 

[MyBelle]

The walker/s didn't stop and shoot at a security guard. The walker/s ran from the security guard still in his company car who hadn't spoken a word to them yet. The 18 yo fled until the security guard left his vehicle, ran him down, and grappled with him ... perhaps over control on the officer's gun. I don't question the security guard's ultimate need to shoot the man; only the justification for his initial suspicion and pursuit.

The fact that he "fled" made him suspicious, imo. That's what security guards do is patrol and make sure those in the area are there for a legitimate reason.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

SO is the suggestion that since the young man did not rob the store or steal the sandwich he could not possibly have had the gun on his person or later gone on to fire upon an off-duty LE?

If this is the "logic" being used by the protesters in general it explains an awful lot.

 

[CHERIE.T]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_2d5a8c2a-97db-5cec-a477-1130d7d26f7e.html

Dotson said the officer was in a car when he saw three males and one of them started to run away but stopped. The officer did a U-turn and then all three ran. He drove through streets following them and then chased them on foot. He then got into a physical confrontation with one that escalated into gunfire.

The teenager had a gun and fired at least three shots at the officer, who returned fire, the chief said. The teenager attempted to fire more but his gun jammed, Dotson said.

Hope this 'tidbit ' of information is not ignored or overlooked by non-law enforcement. :websleuther:

 

[CHERIE.T]

SO is the suggestion that since the young man did not rob the store or steal the sandwich he could not possibly have had the gun on his person or later gone on to fire upon an off-duty LE?

If this is the "logic" being used by the protesters in general it explains an awful lot.

cbm
That appears to be the consensus for some.

 

[CHERIE.T]

As I was watching the livestream last night, protesters were blocking an intersection and a protester fired a gun at a police SUV after it made its way through the crowd, and shattered the back glass. I hope that's not a prelude to what's in store for LE this weekend when the large protests begin.

THANKS for reporting that Jennapuppy.
Scary for LEO's imo.

 

[CHERIE.T]

So, since he didn't rob the store or steal the sandwich... he didn't have a gun?

IKR? I must be missing something when watching the video because I can't tell if any of the guys had guns just by looking at them. :thinking:

It is a horrible thing imo that so many folks have guns and think it is Okay to shoot LE. There is no respect for LE shown by many.
It simply isn't ok to shoot at a cop who ask you to stop>>
or to shoot at a cop who is chasing you under some suspicion.

 

[prayers4missing]

It is being overlooked by those who want to be believe all LE are bad and racist.

 

[prayers4missing]

The fact that he "fled" made him suspicious, imo. That's what security guards do is patrol and make sure those in the area are there for a legitimate reason.

JMO

Exactly what MyBelle said.

Those 3 young men saw what they believed was a police officer and ran. That is what made them look suspicious. Law abiding citizens don't take off running at the sight of someone in a police uniform.

 

[popsicle]

Rachel Lippmann @rlippmann · 8m8 minutes ago

Underway with @JenniferJoyceCA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzh2uURIEAEPJi2.jpg:large

.@JenniferJoyceCA - my heartfelt condolences to the family of VonDerrit Myers.

.@JenniferJoyceCA - openness, transparency, urgency will be the keys here.
An assistant US atty (fed prosecutor) will be a part of the team evaluating the evidence in the shooting of VonDerrit Myers. #shawshooting

.@JenniferJoyceCA - no plans to take this case to a grand jury at this moment.
.@JenniferJoyceCA - I don't know what happened in this case yet. I haven't seen the evidence.
.@JenniferJoyceCA - we will make a decision in #shawshooting case based on what happened last night, not VonDerrit's record.
.@JenniferJoyceCA - my reviews do not just look at police reports. I will look at anything @SLMPD looked at to write those rpts.
That can include physical evidence, interviewing witnesses, etc. #shawshooting
The federal prosecutor has not been named yet for the #shawshooting team.
.@JenniferJoyceCA says the only contact she has had w/ @SLMPD @slmpdwas to tell @ChiefSLMPD the policy her office will follow.
She has not gotten any details about the case.
.@JenniferJoyceCA - the fed prosecutor can bring in addtl resources if s/he wants. Too premature to say if that will be needed.
Heading over to City Hall now to hear from @MayorSlay

 

[scmom]

And what is the stock answer given when LE catches up with someone fleeing when the officer asks why they ran? "I was scared."

 

[CHERIE.T]

The walker/s didn't stop and shoot at a security guard. The walker/s ran from the security guard still in his company car who hadn't spoken a word to them yet. The 18 yo fled until the security guard left his vehicle, ran him down, and grappled with him ... perhaps over control on the officer's gun. I don't question the security guard's ultimate need to shoot the man; only the justification for his initial suspicion and pursuit.

Omo but in general INNOCENT people do not run..... They don't.

 

[noZme]

Wearing an ankle monitor because of previous charges: Not making Granny proud, but if he was not out after curfew, we shall give him a pass.

Paid for his sandwich: no points from here. I always have to pay. He gets no credit for not having stolen from the store.

Carrying a stolen weapon, attempting to evade & firing at an officer of the law; Not acceptable. Never! Ever! No sympathy.

 

[LaLaw2000]

For those of you in LE or with family in LE, couple of questions regarding this other incident. Before I ask, I'll make it clear, by all accounts, the guy was fired on and by being fired on was justified in firing back, no doubt.

When working side jobs as security, which I understand many cops do, are they allowed to wear their uniforms? I have no point of reference on it beyond other jobs or sports, where they don't want you wearing a company/team's uniform when doing other things because what you do outside of work would then reflect on the company/team, not to mention the liability issues.

Second, does the fact that he was off duty change which statutes apply as far as justification goes? In other words, does the so called "fleeing felon" rule still apply and so forth?

I guess there's no way around it, but I also wish that they'd stop referring to him as an officer. He was not an officer at the time of the shooting. He was a guard or whatever. Point is, he wasn't acting in his capacity as an officer and calling him an officer gives the impression he was. Is that line of thinking wrong?

My late husband was retired LE (police) and I was a deputy sheriff for 10 years. I can answer from what our respective departments policies are.

Many LE officers work private security details as a second job. My late husband would work security at concerts, boxing matches, and wrestling matches. He would wear his uniform but not be on actual police department time or duty. Wearing your uniform, badge, and weapon was permissible but you were not on official duty.

I would escort the college or high school football, baseball, and basketball teams in uniform to their out of town games in uniform, badge, and weapon.

You do still have arrest power if needed, even off duty.

* If you are fired upon at any time you are certainly free to protect yourself whether on duty or not. This officer was not officially on duty except for the security company. Still, you do have your police/deputy powers 24/7.

IMO, they do need to stress that he was on private security rather than on police department duty. He is also an officer in both capacities. Clear as mud, right? BUT, if anyone is sued over this shooting, it would be the private security company it would seem.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

All of these officers NEED body cams. They should not be on duty without protecting themselves. jmo

 

[popsicle]

An autopsy has shown that Vonderrit Myers Jr. was shot from five to seven times during a fatal encounter with an off-duty police officer Wednesday, police sources said.

There were seven wounds to the teen's body, five of which are clearly bullet holes. Investigators still are trying to determine if the other wounds are exit wounds, sources said.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_2d5a8c2a-97db-5cec-a477-1130d7d26f7e.html#.VDbrL4voF8c.twitter

None to the back of the head hmm