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That's horrific!! You rape two tiny little girls and them terrify them by telling them that they may drown in their sleep. It's details like this that cause me to be way over the fence on the side of the alleged victims.
Also, notice that the two women do not remember the date exactly the same. Very telling. If they'd made up a story, they'd have the date down. JMO
This is all just so awful, I'm surprised there has been no mention of any of the wives. If they knew and did nothing they should also be charged imo.
Some of these churches do make fertile ground for these things to happen.
1. Because they brainwash women to believe men are head of the house and have authority over the family. Many times the women don't believe they have any rights.
2. When you have the above situation - it gives room for abuse to occur and not be reported.
I don't think the Mormon church encourages this type of behaviour, but just creates an environment where some of these guys think it's ok and their right as head of the house. Other weird church off shoots from other religions can do the same thing.
And Darrel Mohler was arrested today, too.Family: Mo. child sex abuse claims are `repulsive'
By DAVID TWIDDY and BILL DRAPER 2 hours ago
LEXINGTON, Mo. Family members of five men charged in a bizarre child sex abuse case reacted with disbelief and sadness Thursday to the "unspeakable" string of alleged atrocities spanning two decades.
"It's unspeakable. I can't think of words that would put this in perspective. I find it repulsive if it's true," said Darrel Mohler, a brother of one of the five men charged
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Darrel Mohler, brother of Burrell Mohler Sr., said Thursday that he hasn't seen his brother for years and the two were never close. "I'm 72, and this kind of struck me right in the gut," he said.
Merrill Clark, 63, a cousin of Burrell Mohler Sr.'s, said he attended the men's hearing hoping to get a sense "of their guilt or innocence."
"But I went away not much better than I was before," said Clark, of Lenexa, Kan. "Burrell looks like a broken old man. ... His hearing aid wasn't turned up quite enough. He never looked at me."
Clark said he did, however, make eye contact with David Mohler.
"I wanted to cry, and he appeared to be about the same way," Clark said. "But again, was he glad to see me for support, or was he embarrassed to see me? I can't really believe it. But I know it could be true."
Clark said when he heard about the charges against the five men his "chin kind of hit the floor
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icSy8xJFicnYGfHRB1LFS2xAXAewD9BUD2DG0
Fairy, Are you commenting on the fact that they were volunteers, or that the church allows unpaid volunteers to work? Could you clarify? Thanks
Pornographic pictures are not illegal and not evidence of anything unless it's child *advertiser censored*. Pornographic movies aren't illegal either. Marital-aid devices aren't illegal, and wedding dress could have been worn by anyone.I found another article about the Miller case out of Oregon:
http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/article_3a388056-b8f9-5ec5-9fa9-785e51355e0f.html
See some similarities:
"Statements from several of the children indicated that sexual contact between them occurred on a regular basis within the home, police said.
A search of the home Monday produced evidence supporting the children's' claims, according to police. Detectives found pornographic pictures, movies, marital-aid devices and the wedding dress reportedly worn by the 15-year-old girl, police said."
I started watching this case unfold from the beginning and I really don't know what to say about it. I guess we'll just have to wait until everything comes out. Wow, that other elder brother being arrested, that was a shocker. When I saw it today on here, I thought it was a mistake. Doesn't look like it though.
I get it about repressed memory and all that. So I know that this can be difficult to try if they don't have any 'evidence.' Hopefully they found some of those jars with notes. I'm praying they don't find any bodies, ......and that was just a story the men told the kids to scare them.
I do believe the accusers. I just don't know if they'll be able to prove it. I know, until then they're 'innocent until proven guilty.' But the men are still the 'accused' or 'alleged abusers.'
This is one of those cases you just stop and say, wth? What kind of people are these? Their own kids, their own grandchildren.
Good grief,
fran
Grandma was alive when this happened. That might be why they went next door to 'Uncle Darrel's'. What floors me is that there wasn't a single one who wasn't repulsed enough to turn them in.
Pornographic pictures are not illegal and not evidence of anything unless it's child *advertiser censored*. Pornographic movies aren't illegal either. Marital-aid devices aren't illegal, and wedding dress could have been worn by anyone.
Allegations are there should be glass jars (with notes) and bodies. Have they found anything they allege should be there?
Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.
The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.
If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?
Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.
The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.
If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?
Does anyone have any thoughts on Darrel Mohler and the cousin showing up in court? The reason I ask is I've remained very perplexed about an element of our trial. It lasted nine days and the courtroom was filled. Our children were held in a separate holding room until they testified but we were allowed to be in the court. We had a number of family members and friends but nothing like the rapist's family. His "side" was absolutely filled to overflowing. Many of his supporters sat around us, which was very disconcerting.
The thing that was odd was how many middle-aged businessmen (the age of the rapist's father) attended every day of the trial. I was really surprised that men would take off work to sit in on a juvenile's trial for nine days. They would stand in the hallways around the courtroom and we had to walk the gauntlet of men as we entered the court each day. It was very creepy. Many of the same men showed up at the Post-Conviction Trial also--nine years later. I've always found it strange that so many people (who I'd never seen visiting next door) were drawn to show up in court.
If Darrel is indeed guilty, what is the psychology behind coming to court?