From my understanding, yes it is, and that's the reason I haven't (and won't) watch it. I obviously support having recognizable post mortems of UIDs available, but that photo is of a headless child, there is no reason for that and I do not want to see it. I appreciate the reminder.
Hey stated it wrong. Bothe had passed when they were a hundred years old
The documentary on her bought up that she may have been measured incorrectly (I have a post about it on page 7 of this thread), so while she may have been 4'10 to 5'6, she may have possibly been about 5 inches shorter than that. I'm not ruling out that the listed height is correct and she may in fact have been a late bloomer and older, I just feel like it's an interesting point to bring up
Maybe. It’s definitely harder to estimate her height because she was decapitated.
I'm sure I'm in the minority in saying this but even if she was between 4'10 and 5'6 and not measured incorrectly, I really don't think it's that unusual. I was 5'6 at 12 years old, 5'2 at 10, about 4'10 at 8/9 (I had a big growth spurt lol) and I'm 5'8 as an adult, taller than the average American woman but not by that much, and I see a lot of women taller than me out there. I was one of the taller kids in my classes around that age, but never the tallest, not even the tallest girl. Since she was estimated at 8-11 y/o I don't think her height was anything crazy. I think it is possible either way that the height may have been measured incorrectly or that she may have just been on the taller side.
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She was thought to be actually 9
You're absolutely correct. We really have no right or wrong statements on her true height, she may have been very tall for her age, she may have not. I think the key thing we need to remember is that she didn't reach puberty, so she wouldn't have had the growth spurt from that. Unfortunately we just can't 100% confirm her height
I have always wondered if they took delayed puberty or other genetic or environmental conditions into account when making these observations about her development into guesses about her age.You're absolutely correct. We really have no right or wrong statements on her true height, she may have been very tall for her age, she may have not. I think the key thing we need to remember is that she didn't reach puberty, so she wouldn't have had the growth spurt from that. Unfortunately we just can't 100% confirm her height
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So Cece Moore is working on the St Louis Jane Doe of’83? I just heard about this case and it is devastating. Where can I catch the interview off CeCe talking about it? Thank you!!
The discovery of the body was not what really happened.On a mild winter day in February 1983, two men rummaged through the basement of a vacant apartment building at 5635 Clemens Avenue in northwest St. Louis. Their purpose, they would later tell police, was to find a metal pipe they could use to fix their broken-down jalopy.
After searching the main floor, the men crept downstairs into the basement. Blinded by the darkness, one of the men flicked a cigarette lighter. The horror revealed by the flame sent them running for the police.
Facedown amid the boiler-room rubble lay the headless body of an African-American female. Naked from the waist down, she wore only a yellow V-neck sweater fitted loosely around her torso. Fingers flecked with chipped crimson-red nail polish, her hands were bound behind her back with a strand of red-and-white nylon rope. Between her shoulders, where her neck used to be, there was only a hack-sawed hole.
When St. Louis homicide detectives Joe Burgoon and Herb Riley arrived, the building was teeming with police. Awaiting crime-scene technicians, the two veteran detectives speculated on the corpse's identity. Maybe, they guessed, she was a prostitute or drug addict from nearby Cabanne Courts, a housing project with a murderous past. It wasn't until technicians at last rolled the body over that they realized she was not a woman, but a pre-pubescent child. Instantly, the mood in that damp cellar turned from morbid curiosity to disgust. A child-killer.
At the time, the FBI called it the only decapitation in the nation involving someone so young.
As police officers searched a sixteen-block area for the girl's head, Burgoon and Riley returned to headquarters to check missing-persons reports. Surely, they thought, the girl's parents or relatives -- someone -- would call to report her missing. With any luck, they'd establish her identity that night and draw up a list of suspects.
The body went unclaimed on a slab in the city morgue for more than a week before it was given the name Jane Doe. For nine months she lay frozen. Finally, on a glum, rainy day in December 1983, she was buried in a pauper's grave in an historic black graveyard in north St. Louis county. At the funeral were a few homicide detectives, the chief medical examiner, and a half-dozen news reporters. Four muddy gravediggers served as pallbearers.
As he was leaving, Herb Riley told a reporter, "I've been involved with her since the day she was found, and I'll be damned if I'm going to stop looking for her killer."
*more at link:
The Case That Haunts
The most notorious cold case in the history of the St. Louis Police Department still haunts homicide detectiveswww.riverfronttimes.com
Also why would the FBI say that when Adam Walsh was younger and 2 years earlier? so the quote is taken out of context Ed for the purposes of the articleOn a mild winter day in February 1983, two men rummaged through the basement of a vacant apartment building at 5635 Clemens Avenue in northwest St. Louis. Their purpose, they would later tell police, was to find a metal pipe they could use to fix their broken-down jalopy.
After searching the main floor, the men crept downstairs into the basement. Blinded by the darkness, one of the men flicked a cigarette lighter. The horror revealed by the flame sent them running for the police.
Facedown amid the boiler-room rubble lay the headless body of an African-American female. Naked from the waist down, she wore only a yellow V-neck sweater fitted loosely around her torso. Fingers flecked with chipped crimson-red nail polish, her hands were bound behind her back with a strand of red-and-white nylon rope. Between her shoulders, where her neck used to be, there was only a hack-sawed hole.
When St. Louis homicide detectives Joe Burgoon and Herb Riley arrived, the building was teeming with police. Awaiting crime-scene technicians, the two veteran detectives speculated on the corpse's identity. Maybe, they guessed, she was a prostitute or drug addict from nearby Cabanne Courts, a housing project with a murderous past. It wasn't until technicians at last rolled the body over that they realized she was not a woman, but a pre-pubescent child. Instantly, the mood in that damp cellar turned from morbid curiosity to disgust. A child-killer.
At the time, the FBI called it the only decapitation in the nation involving someone so young.
As police officers searched a sixteen-block area for the girl's head, Burgoon and Riley returned to headquarters to check missing-persons reports. Surely, they thought, the girl's parents or relatives -- someone -- would call to report her missing. With any luck, they'd establish her identity that night and draw up a list of suspects.
The body went unclaimed on a slab in the city morgue for more than a week before it was given the name Jane Doe. For nine months she lay frozen. Finally, on a glum, rainy day in December 1983, she was buried in a pauper's grave in an historic black graveyard in north St. Louis county. At the funeral were a few homicide detectives, the chief medical examiner, and a half-dozen news reporters. Four muddy gravediggers served as pallbearers.
As he was leaving, Herb Riley told a reporter, "I've been involved with her since the day she was found, and I'll be damned if I'm going to stop looking for her killer."
*more at link:
The Case That Haunts
The most notorious cold case in the history of the St. Louis Police Department still haunts homicide detectives
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The hair was determined no to be from a suspect.
