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Thanks. So it sounds like North Kansas City would be a poor choice of place to make a drug deal.
Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2
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Thanks. So it sounds like North Kansas City would be a poor choice of place to make a drug deal.
Where can I see this? I did not see that in the video clip I watched.
yeah ask my hubby and his buddies how much fun they were having in one when they cruised thru a strip bar parking lot shining the spotlight. tons of fun untill they were surrounded bythree county boys and face down in the lot with strippers laughing from the doorways
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Could have sworn I saw the police car with light in the video. If not my bad.
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Especially since LE apparently hasn't bothered checking nearby surveillance footage on their own...the reporter getting footage from across the street blows me away. The cops should have had that already.
im pretty sure they have been looking at video from other businesses and locations.
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I have to say, the image quality from the surveillance cameras at J. D. Byrider is terrible. It's a car dealer and I swear, if any of their vehicles were ever stolen, they would be able to look at the video and say, "yep, it's stolen," and that's about it. It would be completely useless as far as identifying any perps goes.
Anyway, I have spent a ridiculous amount of time analyzing the video that J. D. Byrider so kindly provided for our use, and I have determined, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the traffic stop on Toni Anderson took place on W 26 Ave.
I have prepared 3 pictures to prove it. The key feature that ties these images together is a pedestal at the northeast corner of the dealer's parking lot. I have marked the pedestal with a green dot.
Here is the first image, simply for reference purposes. It is a raw capture of the traffic stop video. Without watching the video, you would never be able to spot the cars.
Anyway, I have spent a ridiculous amount of time analyzing the video that J. D. Byrider so kindly provided for our use, and I have determined, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the traffic stop on Toni Anderson took place on W 26 Ave.
I have prepared 3 pictures to prove it. The key feature that ties these images together is a pedestal at the northeast corner of the dealer's parking lot. I have marked the pedestal with a green dot.
Here is the first image, simply for reference purposes. It is a raw capture of the traffic stop video. Without watching the video, you would never be able to spot the cars.
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okay, after watching that video for like the hundreth time. he says the officer crosses the street, does a u-turn and pulls in behind her. she's in the left turn lane of w 26th ave facing east toward QT. after the stop, she puts right turn sigal on to switch to right lane. then proceeds over hw-9 heading east to make right turn into QT. now the new fricken question is, where was she coming from heading east on 26th, and why was she in the left turn lane to head north.
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Second image.
- The three white dots in the blue circle are the front, back, and top lights of the police car. (front of cars is to the right)
- The two white dots in the yellow circle are the front and back lights of Toni's car.
- The greed dot indicates the car pedestal.
- The red lines are rays from the camera. Note that the right ray touches the corner of the pedestal and the front of Toni's car.
- The three white dots in the blue circle are the front, back, and top lights of the police car. (front of cars is to the right)
- The two white dots in the yellow circle are the front and back lights of Toni's car.
- The greed dot indicates the car pedestal.
- The red lines are rays from the camera. Note that the right ray touches the corner of the pedestal and the front of Toni's car.
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Third image. This is my depiction of the traffic stop from overhead, to match the above 2nd image. The colors are the same as in the above image.
- Blue shows police car.
- Yellow shows Toni's car.
- Green dot shows pedestal.
- Red rays are from camera. Note again that the right ray touches the corner of the pedestal and the front of Toni's car.
I drew the cars in the middle of the road because I just can't figure out where on the road they actually are, frankly.
By the way, in the video, the police officer turns off his flashing lights before they leave.
Toni signals a right turn and starts to turn right. This would be a mistake, because you can't turn into the QuickTrip off of Burlington going north, as there's a median. It looks like she realizes her mistake and turns off her signal, but the video ends right there. I do believe she ended up going straight across Burlington on 26 Ave, but that's a bit of a guess. She may have driven north a block and then had to come back.
- Blue shows police car.
- Yellow shows Toni's car.
- Green dot shows pedestal.
- Red rays are from camera. Note again that the right ray touches the corner of the pedestal and the front of Toni's car.
I drew the cars in the middle of the road because I just can't figure out where on the road they actually are, frankly.
By the way, in the video, the police officer turns off his flashing lights before they leave.
Toni signals a right turn and starts to turn right. This would be a mistake, because you can't turn into the QuickTrip off of Burlington going north, as there's a median. It looks like she realizes her mistake and turns off her signal, but the video ends right there. I do believe she ended up going straight across Burlington on 26 Ave, but that's a bit of a guess. She may have driven north a block and then had to come back.
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So she was stopped going East on W 26 Ave. This appears to deepen the mystery. I can't see a single place west of Burlington that a person would want to visit at 4:20 in the morning. That Scooter's Coffee doesn't open until 6 AM.
And it's very hard to tell where she was stopped in the lane, but just the fact that when she leaves she adjusts her lane, or starts to turn to the right; it kind of indicates she wasn't planning on going to that Kwik Trip until her contact with the police, doesn't it?
edit: I can't edit the above post previous to this one (with the 3rd image) anymore, but I just noticed I got the compass direction backwards when talking about the right turn onto Burlington. A right turn would have taken Toni *south*, obviously. Oops.
Here's the article with the video of the traffic stop, by the way:
http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/20/friend...ppearance-near-gas-station-she-was-last-seen/
And it's very hard to tell where she was stopped in the lane, but just the fact that when she leaves she adjusts her lane, or starts to turn to the right; it kind of indicates she wasn't planning on going to that Kwik Trip until her contact with the police, doesn't it?
edit: I can't edit the above post previous to this one (with the 3rd image) anymore, but I just noticed I got the compass direction backwards when talking about the right turn onto Burlington. A right turn would have taken Toni *south*, obviously. Oops.
Here's the article with the video of the traffic stop, by the way:
http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/20/friend...ppearance-near-gas-station-she-was-last-seen/
im not sure that the direction she headed when she left the quiktrip is the direction she really wanted to go, since the police stayed there and watched her she may have been aware of that and it influenced what she did next.
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So I keep watching the surveillance video and I have more questions. I should have listened more to the guy that's talking instead of just focusing on the visuals.
First, where did LE conduct the traffic stop? From all appearances in the video, it looks like they were stopped on the street, potentially blocking a lane of traffic(?). If so that seems pretty dangerous - especially for an illegal lane change stop. If they're stopped on the street in a lane of traffic, the stop would more of a danger to the general public than changing lanes without signaling. I've personally had a cop tell me to pull my car into the nearest parking lot following a traffic accident (or getting pulled over) to get my car out of the road so it isn't blocking traffic (as I'm sure we all have) - and this was a stop for a lane change(?). I've never seen or heard of a cop conducting a traffic stop in the street unless it was in a residential area with shoulder space or leeway by the curb for residents to park in. I can't see that there's any such space on this street looking at the pictures of the location where Toni was pulled over - at least not a space wide enough to stop in without impeding traffic. I may be wrong having to base this off of video and photos, but that's the conclusion I'm coming to based on the info that's been posted.
Second, in the video and pictures that have been posted it looks like the street she was traveling on has 3 lanes - 2 driving lanes and 1 left turn lane. There may be a bit of a buffer between the outside of a lane and the curb, but it doesn't appear that space is wide enough to accommodate the width of a car. So what lane change was she making? Unless I'm completely missing something here, there isn't a lane for her to change to unless she was using the turning lane to drive in - but that's a different traffic violation.
Third, the guy walking the journalist through the video tells her "you'll see him come across the street, do a u-turn, turn his lights on, and park behind her". So she was pulled over for an illegal lane change - I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around that when the officer wasn't near her (I always had it in my head she must have passed him or he was somehow behind her to give him a clear view of her driving). After finally paying attention to what the guy is saying in the playback of the video I'm scratching my head more than just a little bit. Not only, IMO, was the stop odd, but it's then followed by the unusual behavior of the officer following her to the convenience store and leaving his lights on the whole time she was there. I've never experienced anything remotely close to that, nor have I ever had any friends say they've experienced anything like this (and it seems like the kind of thing a person would tell someone). Also, I have a lot of friends who are cops and state troopers who I've talked to quite a bit about the stops they've made that stand out as unusual or unique and none have ever mentioned doing something like following a person to another location and leaving their lights on the whole time.
This all might be harmless and have nothing at all to do with Toni's current situation, but strange behavior from anyone in a MP case should be taken in to consideration, IMO.
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First, where did LE conduct the traffic stop? From all appearances in the video, it looks like they were stopped on the street, potentially blocking a lane of traffic(?). If so that seems pretty dangerous - especially for an illegal lane change stop. If they're stopped on the street in a lane of traffic, the stop would more of a danger to the general public than changing lanes without signaling. I've personally had a cop tell me to pull my car into the nearest parking lot following a traffic accident (or getting pulled over) to get my car out of the road so it isn't blocking traffic (as I'm sure we all have) - and this was a stop for a lane change(?). I've never seen or heard of a cop conducting a traffic stop in the street unless it was in a residential area with shoulder space or leeway by the curb for residents to park in. I can't see that there's any such space on this street looking at the pictures of the location where Toni was pulled over - at least not a space wide enough to stop in without impeding traffic. I may be wrong having to base this off of video and photos, but that's the conclusion I'm coming to based on the info that's been posted.
Second, in the video and pictures that have been posted it looks like the street she was traveling on has 3 lanes - 2 driving lanes and 1 left turn lane. There may be a bit of a buffer between the outside of a lane and the curb, but it doesn't appear that space is wide enough to accommodate the width of a car. So what lane change was she making? Unless I'm completely missing something here, there isn't a lane for her to change to unless she was using the turning lane to drive in - but that's a different traffic violation.
Third, the guy walking the journalist through the video tells her "you'll see him come across the street, do a u-turn, turn his lights on, and park behind her". So she was pulled over for an illegal lane change - I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around that when the officer wasn't near her (I always had it in my head she must have passed him or he was somehow behind her to give him a clear view of her driving). After finally paying attention to what the guy is saying in the playback of the video I'm scratching my head more than just a little bit. Not only, IMO, was the stop odd, but it's then followed by the unusual behavior of the officer following her to the convenience store and leaving his lights on the whole time she was there. I've never experienced anything remotely close to that, nor have I ever had any friends say they've experienced anything like this (and it seems like the kind of thing a person would tell someone). Also, I have a lot of friends who are cops and state troopers who I've talked to quite a bit about the stops they've made that stand out as unusual or unique and none have ever mentioned doing something like following a person to another location and leaving their lights on the whole time.
This all might be harmless and have nothing at all to do with Toni's current situation, but strange behavior from anyone in a MP case should be taken in to consideration, IMO.
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Why do folks think the flashing lights were left on the whole time he was there? I'm not seeing it. A snowplow goes by with lights on, but that about it.
What I'm seeing is the officer shuts off his lights when the traffic stop ends, and they both leave.
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edit to add: I agree the lane change ticket seems strange. How do you make an illegal lane change when there's one lane and no lines? If she was driving on the wrong side of the road, that's a different ticket.
What I'm seeing is the officer shuts off his lights when the traffic stop ends, and they both leave.
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edit to add: I agree the lane change ticket seems strange. How do you make an illegal lane change when there's one lane and no lines? If she was driving on the wrong side of the road, that's a different ticket.
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She was stopped at Burlington and 20th, according to LE. Did I miss something new?
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In the video, it looks like she is going to the south side of the quiktrip, which is ironic because you cannot take a left out of that exit. You have to take a right. The median blocks a left turn. You could take the Buchanan back street down to 23rd and then take a left, but I'm not sure if she was aware of that.
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Red: Where the car is seen in the video and the direction it is driving.
Blue: Possible turn locations. You can see that the median blocks the left turn
Video Referenced: http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/20/friend...ppearance-near-gas-station-she-was-last-seen/
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Catching up here....
From watching "Cops" and being stopped, police usually scan the backseat/floor when stepping up to a car. At night, they usually scan it with their flashlights; so personally, I don't believe there was anyone in the backseat/floorboard of her car. But that's JMHO! Oops - I see this was already answered....
I'm taking that as, she sent the text, while pumping gas, friend says "why" (as people have said here was sent at 9:19am), but she's getting into her car and driving away (as we see on the video). After that?? :dunno:
Okay me too - I saw a news article (and of course, I can't find it now - it was in the very beginning of this case), but it read something like "the police officer "saw" that Toni was low on gas", which I assumed meant he saw her gas gauge.... but we will never know if she did "fake" pumping gas, until we see an actually receipt.... and we also :waiting: for her phone pings....
Regarding your map mrsu - but according to the CCTV - my explaination of "where" is this camera:
Okay - just figured out "where" this CCTV coverage is from - J.D. Byrider (auto sales) - they are located at 2520 Burlington Rd. So... from the looks of the CCTV the stop happened on Burlington - so the camera was pointed towards corner of W. 26th & Burlington; do I have that right. I don't know "how" to add red lines or lines for that matter on IrfanView, but I've added the map of that corner. BUT - it looks like the lights are coming straight at the camera when it turns - doesn't it? Now I'm totally confused in which way she was traveling on Burlington - going up on the map or down.... ?? Where would this CCTV be for that to happen? Anyone? TIA!
Okay - thanks for posting the police interview about her going into the QT - so - as they show a car pulling into the QT, does that mean Toni actually drove her car in the same manner? What side of the car is her gas tank on? According to eBay link 2012-2014 cars the gas tank is on the driver's side (left). So if she pulled in as the video shows (.46 to .52 - post #573) - she would drive to the right of the first pumps, but still pulling away - she goes in the opposite direction. Meaning she made a u-turn somewhere in the gas station and headed out the way the video shows. I hope that makes sense - wish someone would teach me HOW to draw on the IrfanView, so I can actually show you all what I mean....
k- this is long post - sorry - will continue reading...
alimybecsloveme said:
From watching "Cops" and being stopped, police usually scan the backseat/floor when stepping up to a car. At night, they usually scan it with their flashlights; so personally, I don't believe there was anyone in the backseat/floorboard of her car. But that's JMHO! Oops - I see this was already answered....
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I'm taking that as, she sent the text, while pumping gas, friend says "why" (as people have said here was sent at 9:19am), but she's getting into her car and driving away (as we see on the video). After that?? :dunno:
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osu said:
Okay me too - I saw a news article (and of course, I can't find it now - it was in the very beginning of this case), but it read something like "the police officer "saw" that Toni was low on gas", which I assumed meant he saw her gas gauge.... but we will never know if she did "fake" pumping gas, until we see an actually receipt.... and we also :waiting: for her phone pings....
Regarding your map mrsu - but according to the CCTV - my explaination of "where" is this camera:
Okay - just figured out "where" this CCTV coverage is from - J.D. Byrider (auto sales) - they are located at 2520 Burlington Rd. So... from the looks of the CCTV the stop happened on Burlington - so the camera was pointed towards corner of W. 26th & Burlington; do I have that right. I don't know "how" to add red lines or lines for that matter on IrfanView, but I've added the map of that corner. BUT - it looks like the lights are coming straight at the camera when it turns - doesn't it? Now I'm totally confused in which way she was traveling on Burlington - going up on the map or down.... ?? Where would this CCTV be for that to happen? Anyone? TIA!
Okay - thanks for posting the police interview about her going into the QT - so - as they show a car pulling into the QT, does that mean Toni actually drove her car in the same manner? What side of the car is her gas tank on? According to eBay link 2012-2014 cars the gas tank is on the driver's side (left). So if she pulled in as the video shows (.46 to .52 - post #573) - she would drive to the right of the first pumps, but still pulling away - she goes in the opposite direction. Meaning she made a u-turn somewhere in the gas station and headed out the way the video shows. I hope that makes sense - wish someone would teach me HOW to draw on the IrfanView, so I can actually show you all what I mean....
k- this is long post - sorry - will continue reading...
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This was addressed further back in the thread.
We do not know for sure but it appears she headed towards Buchanan
Of course if this is in fact her car we see in the parking lot leaving.
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Third image. This is my depiction of the traffic stop from overhead, to match the above 2nd image. The colors are the same as in the above image.
- Blue shows police car.
- Yellow shows Toni's car.
- Green dot shows pedestal.
- Red rays are from camera. Note again that the right ray touches the corner of the pedestal and the front of Toni's car.
I drew the cars in the middle of the road because I just can't figure out where on the road they actually are, frankly.
By the way, in the video, the police officer turns off his flashing lights before they leave.
Toni signals a right turn and starts to turn right. This would be a mistake, because you can't turn into the QuickTrip off of Burlington going north, as there's a median. It looks like she realizes her mistake and turns off her signal, but the video ends right there. I do believe she ended up going straight across Burlington on 26 Ave, but that's a bit of a guess. She may have driven north a block and then had to come back.
I think you answered one of my questions regarding "where" this CCTV camera is. But I thought she was pulled over ON Buchanan, and not E. 26th?? So, if like you say - she pulls across Buchanan and pulls into the QT on her right. That would explain when she left, she went straight like the video of her leaving shows.
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