Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #7

[n_6CC]

Why would the Missouri highway patrol not remove the black SUV that was next to Toni's car when many fishermen were telling LE there was a vehicle in the water on Feb 12th?

Had they investigated it then, they would have found Toni's car- if it was there..................


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[cnmccarthy]

Lincoln Navigator SUV as it emerged, for what it's worth.

This is what baffles me. They were able to pull up that vehicle right side up but Toni's upside down all the while scraping on the ground destroying evidence?


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[n_6CC]

Lol. You are right. Because it does look like the suv airbags are deployed. Lol

But was this done prior to being ditched there?

I don't know.

But good observation.

It does not look wrecked in a way that I can see. I will look for front end and back end picks. This is interesting because Toni's were not deployed that I can see.


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[DexterMorgan]

I think the Highway Patrol doesn't have any say on removing anything from the river.

But hopefully they passed the word along to the proper authorities.

 

[MaxManning]

Something like this :

http://www.kctv5.com/story/32804754...d-from-apparent-homicide-along-missouri-river

It's so weird how in KC, you so rarely get news on results of anything. You get the original reporting when they find a body etc, but seems rare that you'll ever get an update on a given case.

In this one, they imply that he was likely homeless and killed not too far from where he was found on the river bank. They talk about a makeshift house that was nearby. But can't find any conclusive outcome. If he was homeless, probably not a high priority to investigate.

Not saying this is connected, but if a body was found downstream from that SUV, there could potentially be a link.

 

[perfectingpink]

The passenger side of Toni's car can be seen in this video at the 1:50 mark.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/34724154...-while-law-enforcementconducts-search-in-area

 

[sophie taylor]

Missouri HP had searched that area a minimum of 4 four times. I witnessed a couple of them. I would expect the number to be higher. The MHP knew the SUV was in the water. Team Watters found Toni's vehicle in minimal time. This leads me to believe her car was placed in in the water shortly before she was found.

I know we can all agree that if Toni was able, she would've opened her door before sliding down the ramp. How long is that ramp? I'm guessing around 80 feet.

 

[DexterMorgan]

It does not look wrecked in a way that I can see. I will look for front end and back end picks. This is interesting because Toni's were not deployed that I can see.


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All windows down or blown out says they wanted that suv to sink.

And Toni's window was down as well. Jmo

 

[MaxManning]

In case you are wondering how far a body can go in the a river :

http://cjonline.com/news-state/2015-06-08/body-30-year-old-kansas-city-kan-man-found-missouri-river

That one one went 60 miles.

So makes you wonder if any of the number of bodies found in the missouri river the past 2 years could have originated from that SUV

ie

http://fox2now.com/2015/06/30/body-pulled-from-missouri-river-near-kansas-city/
http://www.kmbc.com/article/man-s-body-found-in-missouri-river-near-sibley/3689937

Not saying any of these started in that SUV, but just an example of how it's not crazy to think that could be the case when bodies are factually traveling 60 miles in the river.

But one thing is for sure... If no one is trying to connect a body to that SUV, it'll likely never happen, even if it is the case.

 

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[SouthernCutie]

Okay. My friend Google just told me that Kentucky doesn't recognize Common Law Marriage.

So never mind.

Nope neither does TN. IDK too many states that still do.

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[DexterMorgan]

Nope neither does TN. IDK too many states that still do.

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Lol.

I guess its for the better.

Because we do not want everyone to say thats my wife or husband.

So I'm ok with that.

 

[n_6CC]

Had they investigated it then, they would have found Toni's car- if it was there..................


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On another note, it is very expensive to pull a vehicle out for just "being there". My concern is the equipment that was used for prior water searches by LE or Agency used to search water in regards to Toni's case, and the difference of the equipment used by Team Watters. That is another fact that needs to be noted to find out LE involvement and foul play.


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[n_6CC]

Does anyone have a view of the BACK right hand (passenger side) of Toni's vehicle?


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Thanks Pink- I'm not understanding the level of damage to Toni's vehicle vs SUV .

If there is that much debris in the river, you would think the SUV would be quite damaged as well.


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[AceDetective]

Well, I just went out and tested my window rolling down theory on my own vehicle. After the window is jammed for a couple seconds, the auto-down cancels itself. I thought it might do that, but it cancelled way quicker than I expected. My vehicle is not a Ford Focus, though, but this is looking unlikely as an explanation.

Back to the drawing board.

This whole thing does raise the possibility that Toni might have rolled the window down after the car was submerged and the pressure was equalized, though. That Mythbusters thing posted earlier noted that power windows work for quite some time after being submerged in water. According to this quote from a Honda spokesperson, they're designed that way. (Yes, different brand, but I would expect Ford to be the same.)

“There is no automatic function to lower the windows when a car is submerged,” he wrote. “But the Honda window switch spec for many years has required that our power window switches will operate to open the window even when the car is submerged. Thus, someone could still open the window as normal” if that someone was still in the car, and conscious, after it had become submerged.

source: https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/20...t-automatically-lower-under-water-honda-says/

 

[bartleyjcpd807]

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[heartgoesout]

Ace, you have had suicide as your theory and were quite adamant about it. Have you changed your position?

 

[BaileyC]

After the recent talk about Toni's car, how long it had been in the river and why LE didn't find it but Watters did, here's my opinion.
I looked at images of cars pulled out of bodies of water and rivers preferably. Looks like a car has to be submerged for months or years to do damage to the paint and be covered in silt. Toni's car was submerged in sand and Watters said the sand was covering about 2/3 of Toni's car. I'm sure as the car was being pulled through the water the sand and silt got washed off. Watters gave the reason he was able to find the car and LE wasn't able to. Here's what he had to say
"[FONT=&quot]Knowing Anderson’s phone was last pinged near the Parkville area before she vanished, they began searching retention ponds in the area Wednesday afternoon. But it was their first sweep of the Missouri River near Platte Landing Park between 4:30 and 5:00 p.m. when they came across what would eventually be identified as Anderson’s 2014 black Ford Focus.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]"Even when we found it was still very hard to see,” said Dennis Watters.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Watters told 41 Action News he isn’t surprised that previous agencies weren’t able to locate Anderson’s vehicle. He said considering many factors, including the murkiness of the water, the car would have been easy to miss.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"I'm gonna say about half to two-thirds of the car was already under sand,” said Watters. "We could see that the sand was already up over the front bumper and encroaching on the hood."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The co-owner of Team Watters Sonar said a variety of factors led to the discovery of Anderson’s car.[/FONT]

• Watters believes he has advanced sonar equipment that other agencies used by police may not have had.
• Using sonar to find cars since 2005, he believes he has a trained eye to spot such cars that may be under water. Watters says many times a submerged car will only develop a ‘flash’ when picked up by sonar. Since it won’t look like a car on the image, you have to know what to look for.
• Watters says cars that have recently been submerged are much harder for sonar to discover. The fact Anderson’s car likely sat underwater for several weeks collecting dirt and sand helped Watters pick up a slightly better image.

[FONT=&quot]"When it's brand new and it's all slick and smooth, the sound will hit that car and instead of returning and showing me a perfect car, it will often just give me a weird looking flash,” said Watters.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]KCPD told 41 Action News they should be able to confirm the identity of the female body found in Anderson’s car early this upcoming week. They also say they still don’t suspect foul play and that the black SUV also found in the Missouri River next to Anderson’s car has no ties to any investigation they are working on.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Team Watters Sonar is a non-profit which runs solely on donations. You can read more about their search and recovery here.[/FONT]

 

[DexterMorgan]

Ooops. Kansas City does recognize common law marriage. Lol. But I googled Kentucky. Lol

I was watching Justified while searching and posting. Lol.

Sorry.

 

[AceDetective]

Ace, you have had suicide as your theory and were quite adamant about it. Have you changed your position?

Not really. I still think it is a good fit. However, until it is ruled out, I think playing Pokemon Go is a better fit. I know it sounds crazy, but it is just such a good fit.

Every theory has problems. The Pokemon Go theory has only one big problem: motivation. What might have motivated her to play that morning and head to Parkville to do so? There's really only one possible answer: she wanted new types of Pokemon. That does seem far-fetched but you never know. I can imagine some circumstances where that could be the case.

A minor problem for the suicide theory is that she still had her phone with her, and on. I feel she would have tossed it, or at least turned it off.

The total accident theory is preposterous, imho. There's no way she was in the park because she was lost.

And any theory involving foul play has a huge problem: the police saying all along that there are no signs of foul play. If the cause of death comes back as drowning, which I think we can reasonably expect, that all but shuts the door. We do already know, via the family, that there was no trauma to her body. The vast majority of murders involve a bullet, knife, or beating. Also, defensive wounds.

Toxicology results are going to be interesting, no matter what they are.