MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #7

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RE: two gas cans - I remember reading it somewhere, but don't want to rely on that, but it jogged something in my mind. Here's my twisted wildass crazy thought after watching marathon Forensic Files today. (gotta love the Roku)

Extra gas can stashed at that alcove where she was found.

Jessica gets pressured into giving someone a ride to a "party". When she wants to leave, someone pressures her into giving them a ride home by saying they're too loaded or feel sick and that's why the passenger side seat was down. "Hey, I gotta pee or barf NOW can't wait pull over here where I can have privacy". Passenger conks her on the head, gets out retrieves flammable liquid and douses Jessica and the car...

Or, she's conked on the head and knocked out before leaving the "party" and they put her in the passenger seat with it reclining so she'd be less visible if someone should look in or see them passing by. Same thing then, driver/suspect pulls in alcove, retrieves flammable liquid and douses Jessica still unconscious in the car.

I SO hate being this clinical and cold typing these words and hope the family never reads some of the things we write here.

Someone already at the "party" had the flammable liquid with them and pressured her into giving them a ride to where their car was already parked near the alcove by saying it was out of gas. Then continue the horrendous

My annoying use of the word party in quotes is because I really don't believe she wanted to go to any party. If there was one.

My opinions, my thoughts with a tenuous connection to reality.
 
MotherOcean said:
I think there are two perps. One rode with or drove JC to the place where the car was found. Someone else followed (or led) in another vehicle. One perp. doused the car with gasoline and set it on fire while another perp. doused JC, who was not in the car at the time, with lighter fluid, and set her on fire. I think a male took care of the car and a female dealt with Jessica. Both perps. left in the other vehicle. It's very possible that no one else knows, though some may expect involvement. Two deranged, hateful people who are totally consumed with one another may have not told anyone else or involved anyone else in any way. I think they were looking for a target to unleash their hate and Jessica fit the bill. I think it's very possible that a sexual crime occurred, but probably not where the car was found. Could be though - maybe one perp., presumably the female, acted as a look out right there on Herron.

I think LE may know who they are dealing with, but they need something or someone to give them a stronger basis for arrests. I don't think the perps. are smarter than LE. I know the state of M-i-crooked letter-crooked letter-i-hump back-hump back-i has a rep. as being all backwards and ignorant. The citizens' casual dress, laid back mannerisms, and low level of higher education among some sectors of the smaller communities do reinforce that rep., but some of the smartest men I know (I live in a neighboring state) are "good 'ole boys" who care passionately about their neighbors. There are some fine men and women involved in small town LE, volunteer fire depts., and other community entities. I think those handling this case with Jessica are good 'ole boys who talk and move slow, but that doesn't mean they think slow and it doesn't mean they don't know how to investigate a crime of this nature. I think they care very much about justice, and they aren't nearly as inept as it may appear.

All just IMO, of course.
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Very, VERY good post MotherOcean :fireworks: :fireworks:
 
MotherOcean said:
I think there are two perps. One rode with or drove JC to the place where the car was found. Someone else followed (or led) in another vehicle. One perp. doused the car with gasoline and set it on fire while another perp. doused JC, who was not in the car at the time, with lighter fluid, and set her on fire. I think a male took care of the car and a female dealt with Jessica. Both perps. left in the other vehicle. It's very possible that no one else knows, though some may expect involvement. Two deranged, hateful people who are totally consumed with one another may have not told anyone else or involved anyone else in any way. I think they were looking for a target to unleash their hate and Jessica fit the bill. I think it's very possible that a sexual crime occurred, but probably not where the car was found. Could be though - maybe one perp., presumably the female, acted as a look out right there on Herron.

I think LE may know who they are dealing with, but they need something or someone to give them a stronger basis for arrests. I don't think the perps. are smarter than LE. I know the state of M-i-crooked letter-crooked letter-i-hump back-hump back-i has a rep. as being all backwards and ignorant. The citizens' casual dress, laid back mannerisms, and low level of higher education among some sectors of the smaller communities do reinforce that rep., but some of the smartest men I know (I live in a neighboring state) are "good 'ole boys" who care passionately about their neighbors. There are some fine men and women involved in small town LE, volunteer fire depts., and other community entities. I think those handling this case with Jessica are good 'ole boys who talk and move slow, but that doesn't mean they think slow and it doesn't mean they don't know how to investigate a crime of this nature. I think they care very much about justice, and they aren't nearly as inept as it may appear.

All just IMO, of course.
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Well said. I tend to agree. Thank you for pointing this out.
 
flatfootjoe said:
The thing that is still chewing away at me, is that vaporous Tom Dees tweet. You're not going to find what you're looking for on any video, it's not in any interview, you have to be on foot. On foot Still driving me crazy. Almost crazy enough to make a road trip to Courtland crazy.
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I know! It's hard to shake the idea that it was a crazed perp or perps who got away on foot because of the location and the back ways leading away from it, but perhaps the comment is more symbolic?

Glad to see you. Hope you feel better soon and thank you for your posts. Always make me think.
 
imkeylime said:
I appreciate you sharing this information about inhalants (and flash fires) and will share it. It never ceases to amaze me how kids can even begin to think that inhaling chemical substances could be safe or a feasible thing to do. The same goes for drinking bottles of cough syrup. Just no.

In terms of this case, however, I remain skeptical. When I first heard of JC's horrible death, I did consider that her car had a mechanical failure/flash fire. When I was her age, I drove a red Ford Pinto that ended up having a fiery reputation. And I do think that her model car has had some issues. Also, you bring up good points about huffing. But for whatever reason, LE was quick to label this a homicide, and now the FBI and ATF (etc.) are involved. These agencies have had one month to ascertain what caused JC (and her car) to catch on fire. While a possible first response might have been mechanical failure or even a rolling meth lab, that it was so quickly labeled homicide strikes me as significant. I truly think that LE (and the FBI, ATF, etc.) know something that we don't. JMO.
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BBM

The 2003 & 2004 Kia Rio both had multiple safety recalls, including a fuel system delivery recall.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2003/kia/rio/recalls/
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2004/kia/rio/recalls/

The 2005 Kia Rio which Jessica owned did not share that distinction. It had a single recall for a child seat issue. It had no documented problems with the fuel delivery system, after a period of 10 years, that would be something Kia would be well aware of and compensating.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2005/kia/rio/recalls/

LE knows everything we don't, literally. :)
 
absentia said:
his words are what make me question him. too much unnecessary detailed info. no one asked how he knew. he offered it as if he felt the need to explain it. like someone who wants you to believe something that isn't the truth.
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Actually absentia, the people who were threatening his life were asking (demanding to know) just that. They wanted to know how he knew a detail like that he posted it on social media, with the crime just hours old. He was in a position, albeit one of his own making, where he had to exonerate himself with the source of that knowledge.
 
MizStery said:
:offtopic:
Sorry to hear you are still under the weather!

i laughted the other day. We were like :flashback: time.

You were like Bob Sieger,"Night Moves" about the best stealthy way to 'park'with your future wife.

And

I was like, Stop!Hammer! Yeah,I was breakin' into all my outstanding dance moves ifrom the 80's .MC Hammer's,"Don't Touch This" ,Wow,did I ever love that music video!

Get better! I hope I made you :smile:

'Nite. :bed:
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Oh noooo, not the heinous parking incident... lol

Smiled brightly and still beaming. Thank you and rest well.
 
machiado said:
BBM. Pure speculation here, but could this be for an offense that occurred, say, 5 weeks ago, when JC was alleged to have been choked? Perhaps enough evidence was obtained to question him? JMO, MOO, IMO, etc.
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This would actually make sense about Mister.
 
MotherOcean said:
I think there are two perps. One rode with or drove JC to the place where the car was found. Someone else followed (or led) in another vehicle. One perp. doused the car with gasoline and set it on fire while another perp. doused JC, who was not in the car at the time, with lighter fluid, and set her on fire. I think a male took care of the car and a female dealt with Jessica. Both perps. left in the other vehicle. It's very possible that no one else knows, though some may expect involvement. Two deranged, hateful people who are totally consumed with one another may have not told anyone else or involved anyone else in any way. I think they were looking for a target to unleash their hate and Jessica fit the bill. I think it's very possible that a sexual crime occurred, but probably not where the car was found. Could be though - maybe one perp., presumably the female, acted as a look out right there on Herron.

<joesnip>

All just IMO, of course.
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I'm in partial agreement. I believe Jessica wasn't in the car at all. I find a problem with that though. How do you control someone who's on fire. I'm guessing restraints. Maybe that's why LE ruled it a homicide so quickly, she had some sort of ligature, or evidence of ligatures even though they were destroyed by fire. I guess you could use large wire wraps like LE do in mass arrest situations. How long would those last directly exposed to flame though? I guess you could use metal cuffs, but assuming they were trying to make it look like an accidental car fire, those would really stand out. I think there were at least three people there though. I can't see Jessica being contained by Just two people if she were struggling for her life. That level of adrenaline would have afforded her the strength I think to at least break free from her assailants. One perp manages the car, another manages Jessica, the third acts a lookout and also as a failsafe to restrain, or recapture the victim.

If I were going to attempt such a crime the minimum people I'd have is 4. Two for the main crime, two shooters in case anyone stops by to assist the victim or to act as backup or lookouts.

All MOO.
 
Been wondering about this for a while. Does the gas can guy at the counter look the same to anybody as this guy BB, who was interviewed? I just don't see the resemblance but it's hard to with these kinds of videos. What happened to all his hair? The guy paying at the station doesn't look to me as having all that hair BB does in the video. I know, LE may have it confirmed it was BB buying the gas from eyewitnesses as well, but I still think that he doesn't look like himself by height or resemblance.
 
FindHG said:
Been wondering this for a while. Does the gas can guy at the counter look the same to anybody as this guy BB, who was interviewed? I just don't see the resemblance but it's hard to with these kinds of videos. What happened to all his hair? The guy at the paying at station doesn't look to me as having all that hair BB does in the video. I know, LE has may have it confirmed it was BB buying the gas from eyewitnesses as well, but I still that he looks like himself by height or resemblance.
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I believe that he does. The resolution is so poor on those security cameras is so poor though it's hard to give a conclusive answer to your question. The goatee is present and the hair looks similar to me.
 
&#8203;I thought about what I said & when I went back to revise my post #644 but the edit fuction had timed out.

In my last post #644 I paraphrased the actual sentence from the Clarion-Ledger:
I wrote,"We at Webseluths have looked for a consistent source as to how 1st responders found Jessica on Dec.6th.

The article I paraphrased does not say 'who' found Jessica. That is an unknown. For me to say it was 1st responders is absurd. Because,the sentence does not have that information
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Chambers was found on Herron Road in Courtland a little after 8 p.m. on Dec.6, walking away from her burning vehicle.
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http://www.clarionledger.com/story/n...3000/21649029/

As many have pointed out major news sources have been inconsistent in exactlly 'who' first rendered assistance to Jessica.The 'who' or identity is being kept close to the chest. They might want that kept under wraps for GJ testimony.:moo:
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My family is from Mississippi. My brother lives in a major city several states away where a coworker of the same descent as AA often brings up this case and how crazy and racist everyone here has to be. I believe someone in LE overshared with AA, and when he realized how serious this situation is he got very anxious, overexplained and wanted to sound credible.
 
See, I have a hard time seeing her anywhere other than inside that car. Where do you think she was? I'm not being smart. I am truly interested. And thanks for the welcome the other day!
This was in response to FFJ.
I always forget something.
 
Once he signed the paper stating that she was missing; Then that should have been enough to give LE carte blanche to search anything and everything on the property. Now if he said my wife isnt missing; then they wouldnt have been able to search the car, basement, etc. You cant say my wife is missing but you cant search for her here. So why did they not search the victims car.
 
Took me awhile to catch up on all of these great posts. I've been wondering why LE was so confident since the beginning that someone was with JC and that it was murder, and not suicide or accident of some kind. Been wracking my brain for weeks. Is it possible she wasn't fully clothed? Like maybe her pants were off to the side untouched by the fire? I don't know. Probably a dumb thought. Carry on with the great discussion :)
 
absentia said:
So, IF this isn't gang related and the crime was intentional, WHO could do this kind of thing? I mean, someone jealous of more than JC's beauty and life path, right? Wouldn't it have to be something really personal? a perceived attack to their life, livelihood/family etc? or just a really crazy, narcisstistic, psychopathic person?
Just trying to think about the kind of person who would do this or the type of situation that would instigate this type of reaction.
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I don't think this is gang related. I think the situation escalated because a vindictive, manipulative, irrational female who probably has few, if any, girl friends felt Jessica "disrespected" her. Maybe Jessica ignored her phone calls. Maybe nutso female felt Jessica smiled at her man too much or not enough and was a snob slumming around to smoke pot and to act all street as the mood hit. Maybe Jessia was tired of loaning nutso female clothes, her car or being her taxi service and nutso female eventually trash-talked Jessica enough to some soft brained guy who felt he had something to prove or lose so he did what he had to do to pacify nutso female.
It's way past my bed time.
Did Jessica ever hang around with the girls that talked about her in interviews?
 
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