MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

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"Chambers died from injuries on Dec 6 when she was found still alive next to her burning car with burns over 98% of her body". From The Panolian, Jan 20, 2015, front page article.

http://www.panolian.com/editionviewer/default.aspx?Edition=d3ea5f4e-597d-48d9-8085-67a9c52046fd

Also - 98% may have been an approximation given by medical professionals/examiners using what's known as the Rule of Nines. More about that here: http://www.emedicinehealth.com/burn_percentage_in_adults_rule_of_nines/article_em.htm
 
I believe it quite possible, even probable, that even if Jessica had been rendered unconscious beforehand, the sheer pain of flames on 98% of her body would shock the CNS back into hyperdrive. It would be a whole different reaction than if her unconscious body was slipped underwater to drown or even manually suffocated. It makes me ill to think of it, but it somehow reminds me of the horror of watching my grandfather shoot the head off a chicken when I was 5. The horrific "running around headless" was explained to me as the central nervous system being on autopilot. Though my 5 year old brain didn't understand that then, it makes more sense to me now. The chicken's heart was still beating and there was still enough oxygen to keep certain functions alive.

Once JC was conscious again, I can only imagine how vehemently she might have tried to identify her killer/s and everything else she possibly could to insure their deserved fate. Of course, that assumes she was ever unconscious.

On identifying her at the scene: in a small town such as Courtland, people tend to be pretty familiar with who drives what kind of car. It's possible that any of the first responders recognized her car on first sight.

Also, have you ever noticed that license plate numbers and letters are raised or embossed from the level of the flat license plate? That is so the plate will be "readable" for identification purposes should the car burn and burn all the paint off the plate. The raised letters and numbers are still recognizable even though the plate is burnt crispy and all one charcoal color.

I have no problem believing she was readily identified very early on by legitimate, non-nefarious means.
 
Yes, but who did the "over 98% of her body" quote come from? (I tried to search for the source and get a million news aggregators. Ugh.)

In an online People article on December 10:

"We had to wait and wait," her father says. "Finally a doctor told us there was nothing they could do. I broke down. She was burnt on 98 percent of her body. The only part that wasn't burnt was the bottom of her feet."

http://www.people.com/article/missi...death-jessica-chambers-told-police-who-did-it
 
I believe it quite possible, even probable, that even if Jessica had been rendered unconscious beforehand, the sheer pain of flames on 98% of her body would shock the CNS back into hyperdrive. It would be a whole different reaction than if her unconscious body was slipped underwater to drown or even manually suffocated. It makes me ill to think of it, but it somehow reminds me of the horror of watching my grandfather shoot the head off a chicken when I was 5. The horrific "running around headless" was explained to me as the central nervous system being on autopilot. Though my 5 year old brain didn't understand that then, it makes more sense to me now. The chicken's heart was still beating and there was still enough oxygen to keep certain functions alive.

Once JC was conscious again, I can only imagine how vehemently she might have tried to identify her killer/s and everything else she possibly could to insure their deserved fate. Of course, that assumes she was ever unconscious.

On identifying her at the scene: in a small town such as Courtland, people tend to be pretty familiar with who drives what kind of car. It's possible that any of the first responders recognized her car on first sight.

Also, have you ever noticed that license plate numbers and letters are raised or embossed from the level of the flat license plate? That is so the plate will be "readable" for identification purposes should the car burn and burn all the paint off the plate. The raised letters and numbers are still recognizable even though the plate is burnt crispy and all one charcoal color.

I have no problem believing she was readily identified very early on by legitimate, non-nefarious means.

I am not questioning that the victim was Jessica..I am questioning if they ID'ed her based on an assumption...for example that it was her car...What if some one else had been driving her car...Would they still have assumed it was Jessica and went with it?

The family was contacted immediately.. and according to Ali's interview, within an hour or two the tow truck operator and LE were spreading the word it was Jessica...seems it would take a little longer than that to identify an unrecognizable person..
Just my opinion...

Classito
 
In an online People article on December 10:

"We had to wait and wait," her father says. "Finally a doctor told us there was nothing they could do. I broke down. She was burnt on 98 percent of her body. The only part that wasn't burnt was the bottom of her feet."

http://www.people.com/article/missi...death-jessica-chambers-told-police-who-did-it

They normally refer 98% burns when a patient can't be saved. The outside skin is the only barrier against pathogens and if it burns, the whole body is exposed with blood streams which might develop b- clots and complications arising due to it (cardiacarrest). the skin burns quicker than anything you can imagine and with an accelerant (inside her throat and nostrils) - there would be more complications that is simply not feasible to save a person from with existing technologies.
 
I am not questioning that the victim was Jessica..I am questioning if they ID'ed her based on an assumption...for example that it was her car...What if some one else had been driving her car...Would they still have assumed it was Jessica and went with it?

The family was contacted immediately.. and according to Ali's interview, within an hour or two the tow truck operator and LE were spreading the word it was Jessica...seems it would take a little longer than that to identify an unrecognizable person..
Just my opinion...


Classito

In a small town, everybody knows each other. It's why they hangout at the gas-station (one of the few in that area?). One of the few social places to get to greet everyone.
 
In a small town, everybody knows each other. It's why they hangout at the gas-station (one of the few in that area?). One of the few social places to get to greet everyone.

You lost me here...Exactly how does this positively identify a "burned beyond recognition" victim...?

Classito
 
You lost me here...Exactly how does this positively identify a "burned beyond recognition" victim...?

Classito

Probably the first responders knew her before. (Her dad works in the Sherrif's office). She also had some troubles in her past and would have known more first responders about her case or her.

She was able to talk/respond to first responders and they would have identified her (through talking or by waving motion or whatever - I will just take the info from the different MSM sources that she was able to respond for some time)

P.S. Burned beyond recognition does not mean you can't identify a person. Her mom did say that in the interview but that's how every loving mom talks about her child. To be burned completely without recognition would be a dead person. She was able to respond that just tells you something right there. Since we were not at the scene, I will allow you to speculate.
 
P.S. Burned beyond recognition does not mean you can't identify a person. Her mom did say that in the interview but that's how every loving mom talks about her child. To be burned completely without recognition would be a dead person. She was able to respond that just tells you something right there. Since we are not at the scene, I will allow you to speculate.
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Her mom did not say it because its what a loving mom would say...She and the dad were told that by the same LE department that ID'ed her..and by the doctors...

Classito

P.S. We are talking about a dead person...she was burned beyond recognition....
 
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Her mom did not say it because its what a loving mom would say...She and the dad were told that by the same LE department that ID'ed her..and by the doctors...

Classito

P.S. We are talking about a dead person...she was burned beyond recognition....


Well by now the DNA result should have confirmed her identity (& what she responded with first responders) without a doubt.

IMO, If a dying person says something I would honestly believe that person 99% of the times.
 
I am not questioning that the victim was Jessica..I am questioning if they ID'ed her based on an assumption...for example that it was her car...What if some one else had been driving her car...Would they still have assumed it was Jessica and went with it?

The family was contacted immediately.. and according to Ali's interview, within an hour or two the tow truck operator and LE were spreading the word it was Jessica...seems it would take a little longer than that to identify an unrecognizable person..
Just my opinion...

Classito
I don't believe the identification was based on an assumption. I believe they had positive verification in addition to plenty of substantive evidence. IMO
 
Even if JC could not speak when found by first responders, the likelihood of another female of her weight and height being burned "beyond recognition" right next to her car is pretty slim to none. It's also entirely possible that either a first responder or someone close to one had seen JC driving her car within the hour of its burning, further reducing the likelihood a female of the same height and weight being found mortally wounded next to her car. It's a guess, but I think it likely that fire fighters can access technology to identify burned license plates and have an id within 2 minutes.
 
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Her mom did not say it because its what a loving mom would say...She and the dad were told that by the same LE department that ID'ed her..and by the doctors...

Classito

P.S. We are talking about a dead person...she was burned beyond recognition....
If you know her mom did not say it for that reason, do you have knowledge of why the mom DID say it?

I haven't been privy to the reasoning behind any comments made by friends and family. I can only surmise some things and always keep in mind that I am just guessing based on a multitude of factors.
 
A burned tag that can be ID'ed does not ID the person burned in a car (or beside a car in this case)..It identifies who the vehicle is registered to and not who is driving/riding in it...To note also...In this case it has been said she was in the passenger side, not the drivers side...

People would probably be amazed at how many around them fit their profile...especially height/weight...Going by the people I know in a small town of about 300..I would say there are at least 8 with the same height and build as me...We all know each other at the very least by sight..and some of us have even driven or ridden in each others car at one time or another...

At any rate..It was just an observation I made...

If you know her mom did not say it for that reason, do you have knowledge of why the mom DID say it?

I haven't been privy to the reasoning behind any comments made by friends and family. I can only surmise some things and always keep in mind that I am just guessing based on a multitude of factors.

I cannot say her mom said it for any reason..or even that her mom said it at all...reports only say she had been told she was burned beyond recognition...She was not quoted as saying it...

"She summoned the courage to walk into Jessica's hospital room, having been told her 19-year-old daughter was burned beyond recognition."
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/14/moms-last-words-jessica-chambers/23442951/

Classito
 
Check FB--apparently there's trouble in paradise for gas can man and his woman. She publicly humiliated him, put him on blast and is already in a new relationship. Maybe this will shake some information loose.
 
Check FB--apparently there's trouble in paradise for gas can man and his woman. She publicly humiliated him, put him on blast and is already in a new relationship. Maybe this will shake some information loose.

Wow...didn't they announce their "marriage" in January? That didn't even last as long as Kim Kardashian's marriage to Kris Humphries. JMO
 
Family and others may not discuss everything publicly and Jessica may have not shared all her teenage problems. But some of Jessica's acquaintances/former acquaintances were/are involved in dangerous activity (gangs are not safe, acquaintance or otherwise), so it's not difficult to understand her fear imo. Another observation- I think it is interesting that most people have said Jessica was a very sweet girl. I believe this, but there are some pretty nasty SM comments about her from two males in particular regarding her promiscuity posted after her death. Now, I find it odd and verbally abusive what these gentlemen posted, yet it was somehow acceptable to comment on her "promiscuity" and specific acts. So it got me thinking if people can say that kind of stuff about Jessica in death (even if true), how were people REALLY treating her while she was alive (especially males who post disparaging SM comments about a female's promiscuity, it's improper)? And why do these gentlemen think that they have the power to say very inappropriate things on SM no less? Maybe Jessica rejected them or maybe that's how some guys treat girls or maybe it's some ulterior reason. Regardless, there is something off, but to me it's really easy to see why Jessica may have been afraid or paranoid (even if it was just rumor/gossiping about her). Jmo/

Boy howdy, do I agree with you on this! I also think those "men" using the term promiscuity tells more about themselves than anything. I don't see that Jessica was loose. Guys will describe a girl that way for reasons other than her number of sexual partners. Rejected? Jealous? Based on the color of her boyfriends? Living at the boyfriend's mother's house doesn't make her promiscuous (as I saw on one site who also cited her age as 14 then. 14 is a child) and in fact, makes me wonder more than ever about Jessica's protection and guidance from parents. How is it okay or even legal to let your 14 year old live at a non-relative's house? Makes me angry and sad.

Depression often presents in the behavior attributed to her and it's not uncommon for depressed and even suicidal people to be described by friends and coworkers as loving, generous, sweet, upbeat, funny and happy. Anger and unhappiness would be expressed in front of parents, not unusual. Drugs, drinking and sex symptoms of depression. Sex can be used as to get the lacking male attention (absent father), affection and love when it's not about the sex act per se. I remember as a girl reading that Boys play at love when what they want is sex, and Girls play at sex when what they want is love. That has stayed with me for decades.

That culture appears to be a whole lot of territorial, jealous girls and women, and immature, irresponsible males who are either whipped or doing the whipping. I have yet to see any of them in grown up relationships. Granted, I'm seeing an extremely narrow slice of life. Fascinating, terrifying. I wouldn't want my car to break down there and be stuck. I feel like it's Twilight Zone.

Of course, this is all my opinion and I'm getting more jaded and judgmental as this goes along.
 
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