MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 10/29/11

[cachmo]

You know what cachmo? I stand corrected. The Sunshine Laws do apply to LE in Missouri, however, 911 calls are an exception in some states.



http://www.newsroomlawblog.com/2010...s/states-move-to-curtail-access-to-911-calls/

Thanks Velouria. I wasnt going to disagree with you. I thought I was misunderstanding. I learn so much on WS.

 

[Sigh Sister]

How did she contact the brother for a ride if phones did not work? Drinking buddy phone? I wish we could hear from her and for once I wish I could hear the 911 call...burglary in progress. :waitasec:

That's a pretty big mix up on the dispatcher's part if she was given accurate information during the call.

 

[In da Middle]

I have searched high and low for the video I believe I saw her in. I think it was either day 1 or day 2 and it may have been on one of the live streaming feeds, but there was a teenage boy interviewed as well as other neighbors, she was in that video. The pink hair really stood out.

I would be VERY interested in seeing that. I don't remember one where a teenage boy was interviewed. I would be very interested in seeing who she is with and where she was at.

I was speaking only of the girl with pink highlights in her hair when it was revealed by the media that a teens dna was taken.

 

[MissJames]

I guess they have looked into an abduction scenario. After all, they recreated the crime by having a tall, muscular police officer try getting into the window. Interesting, they didn't let the woman officer try going in to see if they got the same results or a shorter guy.....a teen perhaps? Oh and the white "figure" that was seen across the street from that gas station. SY said it was amateur and rogue reporting even though the gas station manager was the one who brought the video forward because he thought it was suspicious. Yes, they are looking at everything <insert sarcasm>.

Strange. I tried to look for the video but all the sites I tried say the video is no longer available. I'll keep trying to locate it or if anyone has it handy if they can post it.

JMO,but we don't know what LE knows ,either way. The search of the home could lead to evidence of someone else in the home that night . It would be to LE's advantage to keep it quiet if they are investigating someone outside the family.

 

[LancelotLink]

That's a pretty big mix up on the dispatcher's part if she was given accurate information during the call.

Yes. And dispatchers know to listen carefully and put the correct code in.
Kidnapping would have its own code.
Burglary in progress would have its own code.

Burglary in progress sounds like the burglar is still on the scene.

 

[LancelotLink]

And watching last night, it dawned on me what was bothering me so much about the interview DB and JI gave reporters the night of Oct. 4.
When asked why anyone would take Lisa, DB said she had no idea why, maybe this, maybe that. But they had a ready reason for why the cell phones were taken. So we couldn't call 911. They took our phones so we couldn't call.
That has always bothered me. It just falls into the "Here's some more of my alibi" category, IMO.
Seems like, if you wanted people to think some intruder stole your stuff, you would have to guess they took it for money, or you would say, heck if I know. But for them to assign a reason behind a cell phone abduction...:waitasec:

 

[stilettos]

And watching last night, it dawned on me what was bothering me so much about the interview DB and JI gave reporters the night of Oct. 4.
When asked why anyone would take Lisa, DB said she had no idea why, maybe this, maybe that. But they had a ready reason for why the cell phones were taken. So we couldn't call 911. They took our phones so we couldn't call.
That has always bothered me. It just falls into the "Here's some more of my alibi" category, IMO.
Seems like, if you wanted people to think some intruder stole your stuff, you would have to guess they took it for money, or you would say, heck if I know. But for them to assign a reason behind a cell phone abduction...:waitasec:

Very good point..Monkey! This falls in the category of stating an alibi on a 911 call or interview...not about the baby...more about alibi for the parents. Great find.

 

[In da Middle]

And watching last night, it dawned on me what was bothering me so much about the interview DB and JI gave reporters the night of Oct. 4.
When asked why anyone would take Lisa, DB said she had no idea why, maybe this, maybe that. But they had a ready reason for why the cell phones were taken. So we couldn't call 911. They took our phones so we couldn't call.
That has always bothered me. It just falls into the "Here's some more of my alibi" category, IMO.
Seems like, if you wanted people to think some intruder stole your stuff, you would have to guess they took it for money, or you would say, heck if I know. But for them to assign a reason behind a cell phone abduction...:waitasec:

I didn't take it that way.I took it as when they went to call 911 they couldn't find their cell phones and then they realized they were gone.

 

[~n/t~]

I didn't take it that way.I took it as when they went to call 911 they couldn't find their cell phones and then they realized they were gone.

That is what I remember as well.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Jeremy had has his work cell phone on his person. There was no need to look for another phone or to go outside and ask to use a neighbor's phone (which version are we talking about lol).

 

[In da Middle]

Jeremy had has his work cell phone on his person. There was no need to look for another phone or to go outside and ask to use a neighbor's phone (which version are we talking about lol).

Just because you have a work cell phone on you, doesn't mean you didn't look for your own phones first. It was stated that he went to the neighbors to make sure the baby wasn't there. I never heard that he went there to make a phone call - only speculation that he did.

 

[vlpate]

And watching last night, it dawned on me what was bothering me so much about the interview DB and JI gave reporters the night of Oct. 4.
When asked why anyone would take Lisa, DB said she had no idea why, maybe this, maybe that. But they had a ready reason for why the cell phones were taken. So we couldn't call 911. They took our phones so we couldn't call.
That has always bothered me. It just falls into the "Here's some more of my alibi" category, IMO.
Seems like, if you wanted people to think some intruder stole your stuff, you would have to guess they took it for money, or you would say, heck if I know. But for them to assign a reason behind a cell phone abduction...:waitasec:

I agree, the 911 excuse was for a reason. I'm not clear yet on when they told LE about the phones being taken. Did JI start asking questions about where they went? LE didn't know either way that night. Is this another case of DB getting caught and then admitting to something?

Besides, why take the cell phones to keep her from dialing 911 if she was passed out drunk??

 

[katshep]

Just because you have a work cell phone on you, doesn't mean you didn't look for your own phones first. It was stated that he went to the neighbors to make sure the baby wasn't there. I never heard that he went there to make a phone call - only speculation that he did.

IDM, am I correct that the neighbor he went to was the one across the street, not the next door neighbor? I recall that from an interview. Thanks.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Yes. And dispatchers know to listen carefully and put the correct code in.
Kidnapping would have its own code.
Burglary in progress would have its own code.

Burglary in progress sounds like the burglar is still on the scene.

Dispatchers do not start calls out as the worst scenario (such as kidnapping). The call starts out as whatever the dispatcher puts in from the initial report and then is supposed to change it later if it becomes something else. I would have put it in initially as a "check welfare" and then changed it to "missing." The call should have been changed by the dispatcher, and we don't know if maybe it was. Also, it definitely was not a burglary in progress, so this would not have been an option unless JI told them that there was someone in the house currently. Just some info on dispatching...

 

[Sigh Sister]

I agree, the 911 excuse was for a reason. I'm not clear yet on when they told LE about the phones being taken. Did JI start asking questions about where they went? LE didn't know either way that night. Is this another case of DB getting caught and then admitting to something?

Besides, why take the cell phones to keep her from dialing 911 if she was passed out drunk??

Because she would wake up at some point?

 

[grandmaj]

The original call should have been for missing child/Not kidnapping, if indeed the caller stated that they could not find their child.

If the only thing that was stated was that a screen was removed then the dispatched call would have been correct, that the home appeared to have a break in.

 

[norest4thewicked]

When I was a 911 dispatcher, I was taught to start with the lowest type of call and then it can be escalated from there. However, it is all very subjective and a dispatcher can really put it in as anything she wants. She will get in trouble for putting in wrong codes, but it occasionally happens.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I would think if the parents could not find a child, they would report it as a kidnapping.

If they didn't take her somewhere and she can't walk out the door, IMO a 911 call to report a kidnapping would be the correct call.

JMO

 

[Sigh Sister]

The original call should have been for missing child/Not kidnapping, if indeed the caller stated that they could not find their child.

If the only thing that was stated was that a screen was removed then the dispatched call would have been correct, that the home appeared to have a break in.

Could there actually be two 911 calls from them? One to report missing cell phones and a second to report Lisa missing? That could possibly explain the initial dispatch being for a break in?

 

[vlpate]

Because she would wake up at some point?

Yes, she likely would, most drunks do - but not likely until morning or to take a pee.

Hard to figure the same guy who grabbed the phones to make sure he could get far away before DB called 911 was the same dude walking (not running), down the street, at a leisurely pace, for hours on end with a baby in a diaper?