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A lot of us think Pam and James might've picked up a carjacker pretending to be a hitchhiker
Exactly!
A lot of us think Pam and James might've picked up a carjacker pretending to be a hitchhiker
To be clear, my reply about pot being in the system was intended to answer a question only and not to accuse anybody of anything. I’m brand new to this and don’t know enough to have an opinion on anything. I wasn’t aware of this thread and started a duplicate in another section by error.
Indeed. Whenever I go to cemeteries and visit family members (e.g. my mother, grandparents, etc.) I always place flowers. I even placed flowers for one of Mormon ancestor’s many wives LOL.Can we take a moment to appreciate people from Sumter County who made sure that Pam and James' graves are clean and taken care of all these years? And they did it for complete strangers! I think it's a beautiful lesson of humanity.
Nice post. Very nice. I like it. I used to have to hold the lighter in all the time for my dad while he was driving. Lighters weren’t around like now. There were no Bics. All we had were the old metal butane Zippos or Ronson. The flame was blue. I used to practice flipping my Zippo open with one hand holding a ciggy in my mouth trying to look cool. Matches are what we had. All the gas stations would give them to us free when they came out to wash our windows and fill up our car with gas. That’s way before self service. I have a huge collection of old matchbooks. Well, actually they are my sons now. I got up in the attic and found a couple of old cigar boxes full of them. I started collecting them in high school. Back then if you were a girl, you could go to the bars and drink at age 18. Boys couldn’t go. They had to wait until they were 21. That’s why so many of my generation married older people. All the bars had an endless supply. I still have several from the old Red Dog Saloon, an infamous bar. I saw my first and only beat down. Scared the **** out of me! I digress...sry. Now what were we talking about?Circa 1976 my Mom smoked Kents:
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Google is your friend. Cigarette ads were everywhere. TV characters smoked, movie characters smoked.
Cars has ashtrays.
That thing you used for your phone charger was a cigarette lighter:
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Cigarette commercials were outlawed in 1971, but print media -- magazines & newspapers -- continued.
You youngsters just missed this part of Popular Culture.
Matches meant cigarettes in my part of the universe. IMHO, more likely Army Vet JPF, not professional singer PMB.
jmho ymmv lrr
Circa 1976 my Mom smoked Kents:
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image from vintagepaperads.com
Google is your friend. Cigarette ads were everywhere. TV characters smoked, movie characters smoked.
Cars has ashtrays.
That thing you used for your phone charger was a cigarette lighter:
image from ebay.com
Cigarette commercials were outlawed in 1971, but print media -- magazines & newspapers -- continued.
You youngsters just missed this part of Popular Culture.
Matches meant cigarettes in my part of the universe. IMHO, more likely Army Vet JPF, not professional singer PMB.
jmho ymmv lrr
Also, the convicted killer of ringleader of the Columbia murders was a military policeman so he would know how to properly dispose of bodies and know how investigators could identify the body- this is why clothes are missing. Hope this makes sense.Could their murders be related to the Betty Swank/Tommy Taylor/ Carlotta Hartness murders that happened the next year in Columbia? The killers in those cases have been executed.
Also, the convicted killer or ringleader of the Columbia murders was a military policeman so he would know how to properly dispose of bodies and know how investigators could identify the body- this is why clothes are missing. Hope this makes sense.Could their murders be related to the Betty Swank/Tommy Taylor/ Carlotta Hartness murders that happened the next year in Columbia? The killers in those cases have been executed.
RSBMNice post. Very nice. I like it. I used to have to hold the lighter in all the time for my dad while he was driving. Lighters weren’t around like now. There were no Bics. All we had were the old metal butane Zippos or Ronson. The flame was blue.
Freund graduated from McCaskey High School in 1964. He played JV sports and joined various clubs, including English Study, Baseball, and Pinochle. The school's yearbook indicated he wanted to pursue a career as an accountant. To his friends, Freund was known as "J.P." According to newspaper records, he lived on West Walnut Street in Lancaster.
RSBM
Bic disposable lighters came out in 1973.
When Were Bic Lighters Invented - Vision Launch Media
Who Invented the Lighter? A History of Handheld Flame
Good investigators would have driven a few hours in each direction on I 95 to see if any exits had an advertised ice cream shop on a sign. Wonder if that happened. Also lots of ice cream is fruit ice cream.Here's an updated timeline for Pam
- December 16, 1951: Pam is born in Redwood County, MN.
- June 6, 1956: Pam's sister, "Jane" is born in Redwood County, MN.
- September 13, 1959: Pam's sister, "Doe" is born in Redwood County, MN.
- c. August 1966 - May 1970: Pam is apart of the Redwood Falls High School choir.
- December 20, 1970: Pam performs with Sunlending in Chanhassen, MN.
- March 11, 1971: Pam performs with Sunlending in Morris, MN.
- April 5, 1971 @7:00 PM: Pam performs with Sunlending in Morris, MN.
- October 14, 1971: Pam performs with Sunlending in Minneapolis, MN.
- October 14, 1972: Pam marries GCK in Manitou Springs, CO.
- c. December 1975: Pam disappears from Colorado Springs, CO.
- August 8 - 9, 1976 @5:00 PM - 1:00 AM: Pam and James eat ice cream or fruit.
- August 9, 1976 @1:00 AM: Pam and James are murdered and likely carjacked.
- August 9, 1976 @6:20 AM: Pam and James are found murdered in Sumter County, SC.
Totally agree, that's why I did mention it, I do think they were camping and James did have the matches in his jeans to use it.If these people were traveling and camping, I’d be surprised if the didn’t have matches, or the preferred Zippo lighter. I’m also lost on how IF they smoked pot, why this would be a surprise or issue with 2 young people in the mid 70s. I’d be surprised if they didn’t actually.