Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #10

[carolinalady]

Not to be mean - then why bring it up ? Maybe Brad does make more on the face of it - what does that have to do with it ? Has it crossed your mind that perhaps the pensioner isn't in debt, owns his home and vehicles outright which in reality would put him well ahead of Brad.

I don't put alot of stock in everything said in those affidavits on either side but I disagree that they don't speak to his ability to care for his kids. I don't condone someone loosing their kids either but I do believe for the safety of the kids it is imperative to make the determination and that the determination be made by an independent third party. There are way too many kids that end up in a very bad way because no one did anything when perhaps they should have. The affidavit of the psych makes it clear that even they have a concern - and to be fair it is in both directions. At this point no one knows if he would be alright or not - no harm in finding out to protect the children.

Has the psych even spoken to Brad? Or is she going off of the info from the Ex Parte hearing and the statements of her family/friends?

 

[d99gr81]

What if someone were to set call-forwarding on their phone(#1) to the phone number of phone(#2)? Then someone calls phone(#1) from phone(#3)?
To phone(#2), it looks like a call from phone(#1).
Then, someone erases any logs that may have been made...

OK guys trying to catch up again today. Will take me a while...still on page 5.

It only looks like that to someone who doesn't understand. All calls have origins and hand offs. It's very easy to trace where a call came from. Even on analog line verse VOIP. OK, Say you call California from VA. That call will be handed off a few times going across due to multiple carriers involved. Since Verizon is the local phone company in VA they would take the first hand off and route it appropriately. Keep in mind this all happens in milliseconds. Verizon could A) have a direct hand off to AT&T in CA or may hand off to say Quest in Colorado and then they hand off to AT&T in CA. Everything is logged and detailed in all three LEC's equipment. And if the person used a cell phone to call a number that was forwarding from a home to another cell phone that is so much easier to see due to many different carriers and cell towers. Believe me theres no way to hide that kind of thing.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm thinking the complete autopsy report will not be available by tomorrow. I don't think the custody issue will be resolved tomorrow - unless LE has enough to make an arrest. I DO believe the damning evidence will have been found under her fingernails...

Reviewing other cases in the area, the average return time for an autopsy is at 2 months, although there is no doubt that the ME has discussed with LE the findings to this point. The complete report won't be ready for a while.

I do think the only reason it is wanted at this point in time is for the description of the clothing found on her body. The only reason that is wanted is because the ex parte made a statement that Nancy did not go running on Saturday morning. The lawyer wants to be able to say she was found in running clothes and therefore she did go running. Not that it really proves it but typical lawyer approach.

 

[raisincharlie]

Has the psych even spoken to Brad? Or is she going off of the info from the Ex Parte hearing and the statements of her family/friends?

I doubt she spoke with Brad. Reading her vitae she has expertise relating to children who wind up under trauma due to violence. I would say she read the same things the judge did but don't know for sure. Her report does state she has read the information supplied.

She does also present pros and cons on behalf of both parties but bottom line is she has concerns for the kids. It is posted in the legal docs thread.

 

[MCDRAW]

I respect that - but do you have any $200 jeans or get $200 pedicures?

Right now, I don't even have $200.

 

[macd]

OK guys trying to catch up again today. Will take me a while...still on page 5.

It only looks like that to someone who doesn't understand. All calls have origins and hand offs. It's very easy to trace where a call came from. Even on analog line verse VOIP. OK, Say you call California from VA. That call will be handed off a few times going across due to multiple carriers involved. Since Verizon is the local phone company in VA they would take the first hand off and route it appropriately. Keep in mind this all happens in milliseconds. Verizon could A) have a direct hand off to AT&T in CA or may hand off to say Quest in Colorado and then they hand off to AT&T in CA. Everything is logged and detailed in all three LEC's equipment. And if the person used a cell phone to call a number that was forwarding from a home to another cell phone that is so much easier to see due to many different carriers and cell towers. Believe me theres no way to hide that kind of thing.

Kind of moot now, since new information says they did not have a voip system in their home, but...
If he did have his own system in his home, he would be the sysadmin for the CM and could erase those records. Do local phone companies keep records of local calls?

 

[d99gr81]

I wasn't even thinking about that!! I bet you're right - I guess they just put everything on that card. Just boggles my mind.

I can tell you Cisco probably paid for it. He has stated that NC racked up the CC debt and thats easy to trace.

 

[christine2448]

At 8 am pdt the forum will go down, moving to new server...

If you all want to chat real time, chat is available

Originally Posted by animal04216
The chat room is open if anyone is interested in chatting about this case! Come in anytime you all want to talk real time! Open even if a mod is not present--just behave ok?

http://www.stormdancing.net/network/java/chat1.html

put your nick in the top space, then type websleuths in the place for channel.

 

[carolinalady]

I doubt she spoke with Brad. Reading her vitae she has expertise relating to children who wind up under trauma due to violence. I would say she read the same things the judge did but don't know for sure. Her report does state she has read the information supplied.

She does also present pros and cons on behalf of both parties but bottom line is she has concerns for the kids. It is posted in the legal docs thread.

I looked at the document and I see that she reviewed the original request by the plantiffs and the judges decision. I guess my problem w/ this is that BC had no chance to defend himself.

Much more info has come out (granted it's her friends/family vs. his friends/family perception) since these documents were presented to the court. Like I said, I sincerely hope, for the sake of those girls, that he had NOTHING to do w/ Nancy's murder.

 

[pamlet]

Write a check for the entire balance, 0 the account out and open a new account.

Not really that hard.

JMHO
fran

And what about amounts left outstanding?... Checks, etc? I just thought it was interesting when everyone said "she was taken off the account" ... not "he opened a new account without her name on it" ... Just that semantic thing again I suppose ... I sounds so much more dramatic to say "he took her off the account without her knowledge" ... tho' I suspect it was discussed ... that old "the truth is in the middle somewhere" I think.

 

[carolinalady]

I know there was speculation as to whether or not the children would be back in town for the custody hearing today. Here's video of their arrival at the airport on Thursday.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3267428/

 

[raisincharlie]

I looked at the document and I see that she reviewed the original request by the plantiffs and the judges decision. I guess my problem w/ this is that BC had no chance to defend himself.

Much more info has come out (granted it's her friends/family vs. his friends/family perception) since these documents were presented to the court. Like I said, I sincerely hope, for the sake of those girls, that he had NOTHING to do w/ Nancy's murder.

I agree. I don't have a problem with BC not being able to defend himself on this temporary basis. He needs to be able to do so today however. The most objectionable thing about it to me is the real truth will never be presented. Lots of opinions from friends etc and no way to prove some of Brad's allegations since Nancy is deceased - seems like the hamster on the wheel thing. That is why I am in favor of a real psych evaluation of him by a totally independent party before those kids are returned.

 

[pamlet]

I kinda hate to say it, but i'm an NC State grad too.

1- Jason Young, BA killed his wife and baby
2- Ann Miller, MA killed her husband
3- Brad Cooper, MBA killed his wife

Notice all 3 are professional , in their early 30's with young kids.
Also, all 3 lived within a 10 mile radius

Must be something in the water ... good thing we got outta there... ha

 

[carolinalady]

I agree. I don't have a problem with BC not being able to defend himself on this temporary basis. He needs to be able to do so today however. The most objectionable thing about it to me is the real truth will never be presented. Lots of opinions from friends etc and no way to prove some of Brad's allegations since Nancy is deceased - seems like the hamster on the wheel thing. That is why I am in favor of a real psych evaluation of him by a totally independent party before those kids are returned.

I agree. I do see in the plantiff's request for the psych eval they specifically list the docs they want to perform the services. I am in no way doubting their credentials or what not, but I really don't like it when one side or the other requests a certain party to do the eval. I, too, would prefer that the court decide on an independent party.

 

[raisincharlie]

I agree. I do see in the plantiff's request for the psych eval they specifically list the docs they want to perform the services. I am in no way doubting their credentials or what not, but I really don't like it when one side or the other requests a certain party to do the eval. I, too, would prefer that the court decide on an independent party.

For fairness - court appointed - agree.

 

[fran]

Kind of moot now, since new information says they did not have a voip system in their home, but...
If he did have his own system in his home, he would be the sysadmin for the CM and could erase those records. Do local phone companies keep records of local calls?

Now you have your thinkin' cap on!

JUST HOW MUCH CONTROL DOES THE HUSBAND HAVE OVER THE 'HISTORY' OR 'RECORDS' of their home phone system?

Would he know how to change computer harddrive data?

We're not dealing with a dummy here. He's got an MBA, after all.

Hope LE brings in the top computer people. THIS could be interesting and very drawn out.

Hmmmm........it was pretty late last night when WRAL brought up the shelter information. Wonder if Brad saw it?

Think he got any sleep last night or had he anticipated the possibility Nancy had seeked counsel outside? :waitasec:

Is there some unknown party who's aware of what went on behind those closed doors? :bang:

This could be interesting.

JMO
fran

 

[fran]

For fairness - court appointed - agree.

I thought that was why they chose this particular doctor. Because she already works with the courts?

fran

 

[raisincharlie]

Now you have your thinkin' cap on!

JUST HOW MUCH CONTROL DOES THE HUSBAND HAVE OVER THE 'HISTORY' OR 'RECORDS' of their home phone system?

Would he know how to change computer harddrive data?

We're not dealing with a dummy here. He's got an MBA, after all.

Hope LE brings in the top computer people. THIS could be interesting and very drawn out.

Hmmmm........it was pretty late last night when WRAL brought up the shelter information. Wonder if Brad saw it?

Think he got any sleep last night or had he anticipated the possibility Nancy had seeked counsel outside? :waitasec:

Is there some unknown party who's aware of what went on behind those closed doors? :bang:

This could be interesting.

JMO
fran

Fran

I've thought about that subpeona served on Interact. I have ruled out it was served to gain expert testimony - a subpeona would not be necessary for that.

Something tells me perhaps there was some consuling involved and the subpeona relates to those records. There is something to it, just dunno what. One or both contacted this organization...it will be interesting indeed.

 

[raisincharlie]

I thought that was why they chose this particular doctor. Because she already works with the courts?

fran

In the Rentz's petition for a psych eval - it recommended two doctors but left it open to the court to appoint if those were unavailable. The psych who signed an affidavit for the ex parte temp custody appears to be court appointed. Two different items.

 

[piedmontmom]

If he were any kind of father, he might temporarily step aside, but they're his kids and I have no reason to believe that he doesn't love or want them and we've seen no allegations of child abuse, so why would he give up permanently?

BTW: It's the grandparents who have filed for permanent custody, so they're the ones responsible for the case.

I just posted on another thread. ITA, in that I have not seen evidence of child abuse. Afterall...NC did leave her kids with him whenever she went jogging...and on the eve of her death...she remained at this party and left him home with the girls...that just spells trust to me. In particular on the eve of her death...when things could have been at their worst. If she were worried she wouldn't have left them with him.

I am also saddened at how the police had to take the girls from him.