jmflu
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He is saying suspicions doesn't confirm guilt. Evidence does.
Correct, and I agree. But our suspicions are based on evidence. Mounds and mounds of it.
He is saying suspicions doesn't confirm guilt. Evidence does.
Correct, and I agree. But our suspicions are based on evidence. Mounds and mounds of it.
I don't think I have seen any real evidence, lots of hints at evidence, but I really don't think I have seen any other than that Nancy was found and her death was ruled a homicide. Not being argumentative, just honest.
RC, about the keys. Did Garry Rentz specify how he taught Nancy to hold her keys? When I read that, I thought about the way I'd been taught: Keys are held with the keyring in your palm and each key poking out between your fingers, hand closed. (Like a spiked fist.)
If NC held her keys like that, I don't see the keys making the scratches. I was thinking more along the lines of BC being over NC -- choking? hitting? -- (facing each other) and her getting her arm around the back of his neck. Explains the scratches being light and the possible fingernail.
RC... I have newfound respect for you (not that I didn't already have plenty)![]()
I don't think I have seen any real evidence, lots of hints at evidence, but I really don't think I have seen any other than that Nancy was found and her death was ruled a homicide. Not being argumentative, just honest.
- His timeline and variations of that, including the fact that he has said he was 'up' at 4am.
I mostly agree, though I would include the following as items of evidence:
- his statements and contradictions of his own statements (both by him and by others) since that is evidence that can/will be used in a trial.
- The marks observed on the back of his neck.
- His timeline and variations of that, including the fact that he has said he was 'up' at 4am.
Daphne this question stayed in my mind for a while for some reason. Having slept on it, it dawned on me this morning why. Of course the statement in the Ex Parte comes to mind - that Nancy never went running. Since Mr. Rentz described to LE what he taught Nancy, I have to wonder if he also told LE what Nancy may have said to him to prompt him to teach her this defensive mechanism. Could be nothing, but am wondering if there is more reason for it to have been brought up in the sw affidavit than is being stated in the affidavit, that being a justification as to why she always carried her keys. Seems to me someone forgeting their keys isn't exactly a big deal. Pretty much a huge coincidence that she happened to forget them on the day she disappears however. Dunno, just studying and thanks for the thought![]()
Hmmm. Something to think about. It does seem odd that Mr. Rentz would mention it unless it is simply to disprove Brad's story that she went running. (Rentz: "Something's wrong. She wouldn't go running without her keys. I taught her how to use them for self-defense and she always takes them.")
Maybe NC had her house keys when she walked in Friday night/Sat morning and never sat them down?
To me the fact that he admitted to being up at 4am means little at this point. For me however, this admission does cast some doubt about a 420 trip to HT. Insanity to admit this if he can be seen on a video at HT at 420 am. JMO, it does suggest to me that if he murdered his wife it was after 4 am.
I'm not following you here. Doesn't admitting he was up at 4 am seem like some half-hearted (but not very smart) attempt to explian being seen around 4 am, trip to HT included? I admit he should've said he had to go the store for something for Katie then.
Also, I don't get how this would imply he murdered her (if he did :winkoafter 4 am. It's just his word that NC was also awake then. Nobody can verify except Katie, who is pre-verbal according to affidavits.
JBut I have a real problem thinking this guy is dumb enough to tell LE he went to the store twice - and in an affidavit for custody defines the time as between 6 and 7 am at the HT where it is being claimed he supposedly went at 420 am. This is based on all the conversations here about the surviellance - one can watch themselves enter the store according to locals. It does not make sense to me.
This is along the same lines as a general sticking point with me also: the apparent inconsistency between the timeline/noteworthy-events he knew LE to have, and the timeline/noteworthy-events he subsequently documented in the custody affidavit.
If guilty, why not do a better job of aligning those things, ensuring there were no apparent inconsistencies.
Seemingly 'smart' guys trip themselves up all the time....he could be subconsciously sabotaging himself for committing murder...or he could think that no one's keeping really close track of every thing he says. Or he is used to lying and thinks people will believe whatever he tells them because he's not used to being questioned/analyzed. Hard to say WHY, but he did and is tripping himself up.
I personally believe the murder happened around 1am and no later than 2am. I don't see how he accomplished a murder around 4am, getting her into the car, dumping her at the site AND getting to HT where he is allegedly seen buying laundry detergent at 4:20am. That doesn't sound right to me and I believe the 4:20am HT visit. IMHO, of course.
Some are assuming there are inconsistencies - the question is are there really ?
He tells police he was cleaning from 9am to 1pm
He says in his affidavit that at 12:30pm he goes looking for Nancy (he also told JA in a phone call he was doing this too).
In his affidavit he mentions a planned tennis game at 9:30, with postponement, then cancellation. In his statement to police he says nothing about plans to play tennis and keeps with the cleaning from 9am to 1pm.
Please refer to my post on the inconsistencies thread for additional timeline inconsistencies.
I respect that opinion but let me ask you - if he murdered her at 2 am how did he manage getting her into the car, taking her body to the disposal site and getting to HT by 420 am ? Is this any different than murdering her at 4 am, getting her into the car, taking her to the disposal site and getting to HT by 620 am ?