GUILTY CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #71

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Trial might lend some scrutiny on who gave MT the report.
Technicality. I agree she had it and read it because FD had it. Possibly he didn't show it to her but she found it. I think she had zero trust with him. I don't think she ever had a hard copy however or the media would have been saturated.

She was obviously was aware of its contents at her police interviews. Shared the content with her circle but probably selectively.

The real question is why a sealed document was saved on a laptop and who gave MT access to it? MamaT knew enough to tap MT on the shoulder. That's very telling. How would she know ... unless she knew.

Much collusion to broadcast that from the defense table.

Shameless. Indecent. Bottomless.

JMO
FWIW and it might not be worth much given the people that we are dealing with in the forms of MT an Mami Troconis. My strong suspicion is that as Mami Troconis had long played a role in 'advising' MT on any variety of issues regarding the divorce and custody case. Also, I believe that that FD and MT had Mami Troconis review the discredited report and they simply used the comments and suggestions from Mami Troconis to continue their longstanding plot to destablize JF along with the two oldest sons which had been going on since the divorce action was filed.. Even though Mami Troconis has the bare bones education in psychology possible, she has the basic tools to read the discredited report and make suggestions to FD and MT. I believe KM was involved with this process too as he was the one that drafted the protective order which MT apparently filed with the Farmington PD against JF.

Also, in the LE interviews MT goes on at length (one of her longer stories imo which I always thought quite interesting and possibly telling) that she compiled a list of questions for the psychologist that she and FD were going to see in order to make sure that she was 'safe' from JF. Now, knowing what is known about MT with her short attention span, suspect eduction, 'weak' grasp of english etc., who thinks that MT took the time to read the report and to come up with a list of questions? I certainly don't. My guess is she palmed it off on Mami Troconis or her sister that grifts the spectrum childrens parents who also has minimal psychology training but enough to read the report and compile a list of questions. MT also in the LE made the remark twice iirc that she was 'healthy' one (I guess in her mind vs JF based on what she read in the report). Her making this statement always struck me as quite odd as it was as if she were somehow pleased that she might have some 'proof' no matter how suspect, that she was in fact a 'healthy' person!

I keep going back to MT and her childhood and what prompted her two parents (not sure if they were together or divorced at the time) to pack up MT and put her on a plane by herself from Caracas to the horse farm in NY State as a TEEN? What happened to MT or what did she do that her parents were concerned enough about it that she needed help and therapy at the farm? Not many people would do this imo as its not like you are sending your child halfway across the world to boarding school which is not an atypical scenario imo. But, why did MT need to be removed from Caracas? Was it drugs, alcohol, hyper sexualization, crime/theft (which might make sense if she had any part of dark triad aspects imo) or something else? We see Mami Troconis treating MT like a child even as a 40 year old imo and apparently it was Mami Troconis that orchestrated the legal aspects of MT divorce in Miami from the moto cross racer who demanded that MT seek custodial support for her daughter even though she apparently never told Begue about Nicole Begue for 6 years!!! IDK, for some reason that isn't imo clear, MT was proudly waving around the idea in the LE interviews that she was 'healthy' whilst in her opinion based probably on FD misinformation or contents of discredited report that JF wasn't.

Curious state of affairs to say the least imo. Its also quite ironic that MT is making claims (yet again as she has done it now for 5 years) to shame and blame the victim JF. Atty McGuiness was correct that MT will simply not let JF RIP!

There was imo some ego driven need in MT in the LE interviews to actually lecture Det. Kimball and the group sitting there that MT was 'healthy' while the person that wasn't was the one that was missing and somehow it was the missing person that was responsible for whatever happened to them. Det Kimball had the patience of a saint imo as he sat there dead panned and simply listened to the MT drivel about the victim and then iirc very kindly told MT that they are simply trying to find JF. MT per usual didn't really want to hear this and clearly imo didn't care. She tried to circle back to her prior conversation thread but Det Kimball shut it down and circled her back to finding Jennifer.

I do think those 6 hrs of MT interviews told us all pretty much there is to know about MT and I believe Colangelo when he said he tried to work with Atty Bowman on a deal but it became clear that it would never be possible. Its mind blowing imo to think that MT had a connected attorney in the person of Bowman who had a personal relationship with the Chief State Prosector AND STILL she believes she is the smartest person in the room and continues to lie and blow up any possibility of a deal.

Who does this and WHY???? But, its not just MT imo as I don't think its possible to disconnect MT from Mami Troconis which then leads me to the question of why wouldn't Mami Troconis want MT to seek a deal and speak honestly to LE?

On the laptop version of the report my guess is that MT digitized the document at some point so she could share it. I do wonder if she got it in digital form from Horn as going back to the Judge Heller order, the report was not to be copied and the only original copy was to be held by GAL Michael Meehan who we know know most likely gave a copy of it or possibly even a digital copy to Atty Michael Rose who was the person that most likely then gave it to FD. I do suspect that the report might have been digitized by phone or scanner by Atty Michael Rose and perhaps was done when GAL Michael Meehan 'conveniently' left the room (nod nod wink wink!). FD had a hard copy and now I suspect that he had a digital copy as well as he and MT had the report in hand when they went to the Hartford psychologist meeting iirc.


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Somehow MT lost her access to the document how ever she came to possess it. I don't MamaT or the BFF had physical copies or they'd have magically appeared at NBC's news desk. I believe they only knew what MT chose to share and the only way for them -- and the Defense -- to authenticate it was to show it, ergo the collusion we witnessed whereby it magically appeared on the laptop in front of MT beside her watchful bestie attorney, the same document JS tried to sneak into the court record. Pretty hard to make the case for right hand not knowing what the left hand was doing.

MT knew what it was. MamaT know what it was. AF knew what it was.

It remains indecent.

It was never going to diffuse motive anyway. If anything, it would have highlighted it.

I wish the judge would have recognized MT's true colors. She stops at nothing.

JMO
 
FWIW and it might not be worth much given the people that we are dealing with in the forms of MT an Mami Troconis. My strong suspicion is that as Mami Troconis had long played a role in 'advising' MT on any variety of issues regarding the divorce and custody case. Also, I believe that that FD and MT had Mami Troconis review the discredited report and they simply used the comments and suggestions from Mami Troconis to continue their longstanding plot to destablize JF along with the two oldest sons which had been going on since the divorce action was filed.. Even though Mami Troconis has the bare bones education in psychology possible, she has the basic tools to read the discredited report and make suggestions to FD and MT. I believe KM was involved with this process too as he was the one that drafted the protective order which MT apparently filed with the Farmington PD against JF.

Also, in the LE interviews MT goes on at length (one of her longer stories imo which I always thought quite interesting and possibly telling) that she compiled a list of questions for the psychologist that she and FD were going to see in order to make sure that she was 'safe' from JF. Now, knowing what is known about MT with her short attention span, suspect eduction, 'weak' grasp of english etc., who thinks that MT took the time to read the report and to come up with a list of questions? I certainly don't. My guess is she palmed it off on Mami Troconis or her sister that grifts the spectrum childrens parents who also has minimal psychology training but enough to read the report and compile a list of questions. MT also in the LE made the remark twice iirc that she was 'healthy' one (I guess in her mind vs JF based on what she read in the report). Her making this statement always struck me as quite odd as it was as if she were somehow pleased that she might have some 'proof' no matter how suspect, that she was in fact a 'healthy' person!

I keep going back to MT and her childhood and what prompted her two parents (not sure if they were together or divorced at the time) to pack up MT and put her on a plane by herself from Caracas to the horse farm in NY State as a TEEN? What happened to MT or what did she do that her parents were concerned enough about it that she needed help and therapy at the farm? Not many people would do this imo as its not like you are sending your child halfway across the world to boarding school which is not an atypical scenario imo. But, why did MT need to be removed from Caracas? Was it drugs, alcohol, hyper sexualization, crime/theft (which might make sense if she had any part of dark triad aspects imo) or something else? We see Mami Troconis treating MT like a child even as a 40 year old imo and apparently it was Mami Troconis that orchestrated the legal aspects of MT divorce in Miami from the moto cross racer who demanded that MT seek custodial support for her daughter even though she apparently never told Begue about Nicole Begue for 6 years!!! IDK, for some reason that isn't imo clear, MT was proudly waving around the idea in the LE interviews that she was 'healthy' whilst in her opinion based probably on FD misinformation or contents of discredited report that JF wasn't.

Curious state of affairs to say the least imo. Its also quite ironic that MT is making claims (yet again as she has done it now for 5 years) to shame and blame the victim JF. Atty McGuiness was correct that MT will simply not let JF RIP!

There was imo some ego driven need in MT in the LE interviews to actually lecture Det. Kimball and the group sitting there that MT was 'healthy' while the person that wasn't was the one that was missing and somehow it was the missing person that was responsible for whatever happened to them. Det Kimball had the patience of a saint imo as he sat there dead panned and simply listened to the MT drivel about the victim and then iirc very kindly told MT that they are simply trying to find JF. MT per usual didn't really want to hear this and clearly imo didn't care. She tried to circle back to her prior conversation thread but Det Kimball shut it down and circled her back to finding Jennifer.

I do think those 6 hrs of MT interviews told us all pretty much there is to know about MT and I believe Colangelo when he said he tried to work with Atty Bowman on a deal but it became clear that it would never be possible. Its mind blowing imo to think that MT had a connected attorney in the person of Bowman who had a personal relationship with the Chief State Prosector AND STILL she believes she is the smartest person in the room and continues to lie and blow up any possibility of a deal.

Who does this and WHY???? But, its not just MT imo as I don't think its possible to disconnect MT from Mami Troconis which then leads me to the question of why wouldn't Mami Troconis want MT to seek a deal and speak honestly to LE?

On the laptop version of the report my guess is that MT digitized the document at some point so she could share it. I do wonder if she got it in digital form from Horn as going back to the Judge Heller order, the report was not to be copied and the only original copy was to be held by GAL Michael Meehan who we know know most likely gave a copy of it or possibly even a digital copy to Atty Michael Rose who was the person that most likely then gave it to FD. I do suspect that the report might have been digitized by phone or scanner by Atty Michael Rose and perhaps was done when GAL Michael Meehan 'conveniently' left the room (nod nod wink wink!). FD had a hard copy and now I suspect that he had a digital copy as well as he and MT had the report in hand when they went to the Hartford psychologist meeting iirc.


MOO
Nice summary here BJarv!….. and IMO there are only a few questions the commonwealth and prosecutors need to ask and have answered. Under oath and on the record. And they relate to the electronic report version shown (was it a displayed / scanned pdf format) on the monitor of MT’s computer in the courtroom?

What is the electronic and forensic analysis of that displayed document? What is it’s origin and with whom has it been transmitted, transferred, or shared?

These questions need answers. But I am not holding my breath nor hope out. AFAIK I’ve seen no indication that a good analysis of that laptop computer, its files, or registry files has even been conducted? Was the computer even seized from MT or her family to analyze? SMH. IANAL. MOO

Lastly there is that little thing about MT defense counsel JS and AF and their possible involvement in this matter. Appalling conduct IMO by all. MOO
 
Nice summary here BJarv!….. and IMO there are only a few questions the commonwealth and prosecutors need to ask and have answered. Under oath and on the record. And they relate to the electronic report version shown (was it a displayed / scanned pdf format) on the monitor of MT’s computer in the courtroom?

What is the electronic and forensic analysis of that displayed document? What is it’s origin and with whom has it been transmitted, transferred, or shared?

These questions need answers. But I am not holding my breath nor hope out. AFAIK I’ve seen no indication that a good analysis of that laptop computer, its files, or registry files has even been conducted? Was the computer even seized from MT or her family to analyze? SMH. IANAL. MOO

Lastly there is that little thing about MT defense counsel JS and AF and their possible involvement in this matter. Appalling conduct IMO by all. MOO
Exactly. And both the Judiciary and the State's Atty's Office appears to me to be covering it up but pushing for a "settlement" between the State and MT--so there's no scrutiny of any and all lawyers involved.
 
Exactly. And both the Judiciary and the State's Atty's Office appears to me to be covering it up but pushing for a "settlement" between the State and MT--so there's no scrutiny of any and all lawyers involved.
@pernickety I keep thinking about your comment here about the attorneys and given the long history we have all seen of them doing exactly this on the Dulos case imo going back to the days of Pattis/Smith show and FD and all through the MT case with one attorney infraction per Court rules after another, I think you are probably correct about this. But, I also think what is going on might have something to do with the rules of evidence as it relates to the discredited report too. I don't fully understand the rules of evidence but imo anytime we see Prosecutors making a seemingly simple open and shut case difficult (seems to be happening here as this is all on video and easy to see what was done by MT) then there is more at play.

I also wonder if they are delaying this perjury matter due to the the pending appeal. I'm not sure this makes sense as the appeal will take years unfortunately. We also could just have a junior states atty handling this matter and they are inept? I'm discounting this because no matter who they have on this perjury matter they are still being supervised by the Head Atty and person that imo loves to hide under his desk in Stamford/Norwalk and not do anything to discipline attorneys as he complained on the record for years about Pattis and Horn and did zero and also didnt argue to impose a gag which imo he should have done DAY 1 in this tragic case simply to protect JF and her children.

I wish I understood all the legal issues surrounding the report becoming part of the record in the perjury case and how or even if it could impact the MT appeal? We saw Horn trying every legal trick and motion in the book for nearly 4 years to first get the report and then get the report unsealed and on the record. He then went to the imo waste of time approach of suing the Family Court Clerk as an individual. We saw both Jon Schoenhorn and Audrey Felson then during the trial try everything possible to get any aspect of the report on the record to the point where it became a game of 'whack a mole' and the State had to stay on top of things as it was a persistent campaign that the weak Judge Randolph didn't imo clearly control. Judge Randolph was nearly himself tricked by Audrey Felson regarding this matter and it was only when Atty Manning jumped up and saved the situation that he realised that he had almost been hoodwinked.

But, it always goes back to the issue imo of WHY? Why all this effort to get the report on the record? Its also mind blowing to me that the legal focus moved to the report as the defense team put up no exculpatory evidence, successfully fought to have MT cell phone eliminated from trial and offered no alternative theory.

Why was all of this done? Was it as simply as his working overtime to pacify a demanding and irrational client in the form of Mami Troconis and MT? OR, is there some viable legal claim at play in the mind of Horn? I wish I were an attorney that could answer this question.

Truly I think one of the hints we have about it all goes to MT and the LE interviews where she makes the claim that she is 'healthy' with the implication being that the victim in this case who she had DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY for assisting in her murder, was not. This all seems quite important to MT and Mami Troconis. I've never understood why or even if this fact is important.

I guess working with DV victims I've seen so much psychological abuse and mental health issues across a whole spectrum that Id actually be SURPRISED to learn that JF wasn't adversely impacted by the many years of psychological abuse of FD and then the joint campaign of abuse against JF and her children by the 'tag team' of MT and FD. All this being said though I'm not sure what difference any of this makes to any legal case as JF has a huge file in Family Court of doing a remarkable job providing for every aspect of the physical and mental well being of each of her 5 children?

Is the report important to MT simply because it provided ego gratification for something that was included about her? Is there something in there that for whatever reason might prove in her mind that she wasn't capable per the assessment of the now imo discredited Dr Herman of what she was accused of doing as a co conspirator?

IDK, at this point I think its fair to say that Dr Herman was not a true professional in terms of his conduct so imo I believe is probably safe to put the entire report under a cloud as this was what Judge Heller did by sealing it and sending the trial to mistrial status after 2 years. We also know Atty Midler filed a motion to dismiss GAL Michael Meehan for his role in a variety of things dealing with the report, favoring FD and providing him with the report (most likely via FD Atty Michael Rose who was dismissed from Family Court by Judge Heller) and his inept and unprofessional handling of the Dulos children.

The sustained abuse inflicted imo on the 2 older children was the creation of FD and MT and had zero to do with JF. I do think its criminal that DV charges were never assessed against FD AND MT (much high probability charge imo vs kidnapping) as such charges would have sent a message that this behaviour is a true criminal offense!

As the MT trial went on and the evidence unfolded, it became clearer and clearer exactly how involved MT and her mother were with the divorce and the FD activities in Family Court to disrupt and delay as well as his interaction with the children. The recent Colangelo tidbit about MT sending texts using the "F bomb" to FD shows she knew where he was and what he was doing and directly contradicts her lies imo in the LE Interviews. We know MT was angry and resentful about having to leave when the children visited and imo she got her revenge on JF by using her daughter Nicole Begue during the period when FD had lost access to illegally communicate with the Dulos children. We also saw MT and her daughter not leaving 4JX when the Dulos children visited and then having FD pressure the children to lie to JF. This behaviour imo was petty, no doubt mean as well as against court orders but it also was psychologically stressful and damaging to the children and also served to undermine their relationahip imo with JF. Classic mean girl petty stuff imo but I also think that this is simply who MT is as she never really emotionally evolved beyond when she was shipped from Caracas to Upstate NY to the horse farm and imo she is stuck in her emotional development as a mid teen and simply approaches life and decisions from this early/low level. It makes her imo a immature, petty, angry, and mean person constantly involved in games of 'tit for tat' with people and usually using underhanded passive aggressive tactics or standing behind FD. But, the other key component of MT psych makeup is chronic/pathological lying. Its almost as MT lives in a world of her own and will say or do anything to simply get what she wants. The extent of her lying in the LE Interviews was a masterclass on deception and lying and was incredible to see over such a long period of time. What also seems clearer now is that MT always just wants what she wants without really caring anything at all about those around her. It became obvious that her target was hurting JF and so she didn't really care whether the children were impacted at all and this is what makes her evil and its this issue that I cannot understand why Judge Randolph chose to not see it as to me its the essence of who MT is as an awful human.

I clearly have many questions about Mami Troconis and why if she knew the psychological challenges or issues present with her daughter then why not redirect her to seek a deal as was being offered to her? Why pander to the lies of your daughter when you know she has a long history of lying and about big issues as well? Why support defending FD even after his death when it was clear via the evidence that he was a manipulator and liar on the same spectrum as your daughter? Why lie to the public and on the stand in the pretrial period and say your daughter 'was an innocent victim of circumstances and was in the wrong place at the wrong time' when you knew this was a lie? Why defame Atty Bowman when you knew what he was doing to try and assist your daughter with a plea and not encourage your lying daughter TO TELL THE TRUTH? FWIW I have long wished that Mami Troconis was charged for aiding and abetting as imo she has done precisely this from Day 1 in this tragedy. Her tap on the shoulder of MT during the report display even showed imo how closely she watches and directs her daughter every step of the day!

Also given the overall high stress and mentally taxing scenario that the divorce created and for such a long time I'd be very surprised to not see JF in therapy for support or even taking anti anxiety meds to cope and survive the worst of the experience. Seeing mental health support during periods of high stress imo is a healthy thing to do simply from a survival standpoint as JF experienced master level gaslighting for years! Friends and family no doubt supported also but most dont have any experience with the abuse aspects of what JF was experiencing imo along with the no doubt terror she felt regarding the well being of her 5 children. This is purely speculation on my part.

Hard to say why all this happened as I'm not an attorney. My guess from a logic standpoint is that the report is something that is legally inaccessible by virtue of being sealed and so what better item to claim is case critical than something that cannot be had. I have no idea if this is true and I do wish we had an attorney here to opine as for now at least I'm out of ideas.

MOO
 
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Truly I think one of the hints we have about it all goes to MT and the LE interviews where she makes the claim that she is 'healthy' with the implication being that the victim in this case who she had DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY for assisting in her murder, was not. This all seems quite important to MT and Mami Troconis. I've never understood why or even if this fact is important.
This is it, in my opinion.
 
Is this new, or from earlier?
Can't tell. No new content so I think it's the letter she wrote a while ago. The same four page letter --


JMO
 
As the MT trial went on and the evidence unfolded, it became clearer and clearer exactly how involved MT and her mother were with the divorce and the FD activities in Family Court to disrupt and delay as well as his interaction with the children. The recent Colangelo tidbit about MT sending texts using the "F bomb" to FD shows she knew where he was and what he was doing and directly contradicts her lies imo in the LE Interviews.
Colangelo also said she sent an email to FD telling him she hoped he'd die. Wonder how she felt when he did die. Vindicated?
 

Aug 26, 2024 Inside the Trial of Michelle Troconis
The four-page letter details in part how Michelle Troconis claims Fotis Dulos, her then boyfriend, deceived her and other people who were a part of his ongoing divorce and custody case. The letter addressed further details about who else Troconis believes her then-boyfriend Fotis Dulos had fooled.

Same 4 pg letter previously reported -- YT promoting their podcast.
 
This is it, in my opinion.
I think it was a childlike response, for example, you walk into the kitchen and a child says "I didn't eat the cookie" before you even knew that a cookie was missing. Insisting you are "healthy", even though the interview doesn't even cover your mental health on that occasion, is very telling that she's probably not very "healthy." I realize that she's a mother, yet, she really hasn't "adulted", so therefore, does what she has learned from her parents to survive and Grift. She's a Flim Flam artist. IMO.
 
I think it was a childlike response, for example, you walk into the kitchen and a child says "I didn't eat the cookie" before you even knew that a cookie was missing. Insisting you are "healthy", even though the interview doesn't even cover your mental health on that occasion, is very telling that she's probably not very "healthy." I realize that she's a mother, yet, she really hasn't "adulted", so therefore, does what she has learned from her parents to survive and Grift. She's a Flim Flam artist. IMO.
Yes! MT seems rooted in her life as a teenager imo. Colangelo did say that there were some truthful statements by MT but they seemed to be few in number and possibly buried within her elaborate multihoured charade of interviews.

I dont think we as outsiders knew the true state of the FD/MT relationship around the time prior to the murder and then after the murder. The footage we saw of MT/FD in Starbucks imo spoke volumes as did the still shots of 4JS during the time of the LE raid when FD/MT were hauled off to Litchfield for processing.

If FD was running out of cash prior to the murder and the couple possibly living on MT child support to keep the lights on and food on the table, my guess is that the relationship was strained to the max. Colangelo talked about the angry FD texts when MT found out he was in NC. "I hope you die" message to FD from MT doesn't sound like a love note imo unless these two spoke a love language I don't understand! Does MT know when she sent these texts that FD had delayed the Family Court yet again and had lied yet again about his financials and that Judge Heller had dismissed his corrupt Atty Rose who helped prepare the false documents and was enraged about a 2 year case basically going back to day 1? My guess is that MT might have found out about what FD did and sure she was angry that he was in NC but what really frosted her cupcake was being with no cash and back to the beginning again in Family Court and with FD losing his attorney?

The "Murders Eve" dinner seemed to have been put on for a show and as part of a broader alibi charade and I really do wonder why MT left the dinner early? It seems like she would have detailed knowledge of the murder plan and timing and what her tasks were for the tragic event. Was she simply angry that FD had the dinner at the house when she had thought they were going out and that she was put in position of having to cook and clean and play host? Something was up but I'm not sure we know what exactly it was.

Even with all that was going on at the time in Family Court and FORE financially collapsing, MT continues to push her attorneys to fight hard to get the discredited report into the record by hook or crook. Why? We've debated this endlessly.

I can't see discredited report having any value to MT as Judge Heller removed it and sealed it for valid reasons. By that time (or even now for that matter) whatever was in the report most likely would be contradicted by the reality of what was revealed simply by the passage of time. Who cares if MT was deemed 'healthy' or that the discredited Dr thought the children were 'safe' with her? Those issues are specific to MT imo and have zero to do with the larger picture going forward. Also, I find it unlikely that Judge Heller would have approved any custody sharing absent the financial disclosure issues from FD being resolved and we know on the record that FD had just lied yet again on the record about his finances and so another long delay would happen until the court resolves this issue. IDK, just seems like FD blew up the Family Court case intentionally to create even more delay and this was no different from what he had been doing already for 2 years. Judge Heller was enraged but FD knew she probably wouldn't impose consequences and so the case would just grind on and on. I also don't think FD cared about MT to any degree and she was just an inconvenient sex partner by this point of the situation. I also don't think he was at all sorry to see her depart as she had nothing he needed which was money and alot of it imo.

Question is though, what story did FD spin to get MT to commit to being a ride or die co conspirator and ditto for KM?

The bigger issue imo was FD lying on the record about his finances and having his attorney dismissed for facilitating the false reporting being filed with the Court. The impact of all of this would have been months of delay, finding new attorney that he didn't have money to pay for and dealing with a no doubt infuriated MT who had previously been told that things would be settled by now. I do now think that when FD told MT that things would be settled that what he meant was that JF would be murdered. I also wonder whether Anna Curry was well inside the picture at this point and FD would be happy to see the back of MT leaving 4Jx as she was simply a thorn in the side of his plans? By then, FD knew he needed money and alot of it and that he wouldn't have anything quickly unless he had the children. I simply don't see MT fitting into the longer term picture for FD as she had no money, didn't have a viable business going to contribute to their lifestyle and also seemed to get in the way of FD future plans in many respects.

Pieces of the relationship puzzle seem to be missing imo. Its safe to assume that FD was lying to all parties including MT. But, from Colangelo we know MT was angry the day FD was in NC. But, what exactly was she angry about?

MOO
 
Untangling the lies of MT from the truth (if any) in her statements is a challenge.

I would like to ask Atty Colangelo which statements that MT made over the 6 hours were confirmed to be true and which might have been true and which were false?

LE wasted alot of time working on the MT interview content and so they must have the answers.

MOO
 
Yes! MT seems rooted in her life as a teenager imo. Colangelo did say that there were some truthful statements by MT but they seemed to be few in number and possibly buried within her elaborate multihoured charade of interviews.

I dont think we as outsiders knew the true state of the FD/MT relationship around the time prior to the murder and then after the murder. The footage we saw of MT/FD in Starbucks imo spoke volumes as did the still shots of 4JS during the time of the LE raid when FD/MT were hauled off to Litchfield for processing.

If FD was running out of cash prior to the murder and the couple possibly living on MT child support to keep the lights on and food on the table, my guess is that the relationship was strained to the max. Colangelo talked about the angry FD texts when MT found out he was in NC. "I hope you die" message to FD from MT doesn't sound like a love note imo unless these two spoke a love language I don't understand! Does MT know when she sent these texts that FD had delayed the Family Court yet again and had lied yet again about his financials and that Judge Heller had dismissed his corrupt Atty Rose who helped prepare the false documents and was enraged about a 2 year case basically going back to day 1? My guess is that MT might have found out about what FD did and sure she was angry that he was in NC but what really frosted her cupcake was being with no cash and back to the beginning again in Family Court and with FD losing his attorney?

The "Murders Eve" dinner seemed to have been put on for a show and as part of a broader alibi charade and I really do wonder why MT left the dinner early? It seems like she would have detailed knowledge of the murder plan and timing and what her tasks were for the tragic event. Was she simply angry that FD had the dinner at the house when she had thought they were going out and that she was put in position of having to cook and clean and play host? Something was up but I'm not sure we know what exactly it was.

Even with all that was going on at the time in Family Court and FORE financially collapsing, MT continues to push her attorneys to fight hard to get the discredited report into the record by hook or crook. Why? We've debated this endlessly.

I can't see discredited report having any value to MT as Judge Heller removed it and sealed it for valid reasons. By that time (or even now for that matter) whatever was in the report most likely would be contradicted by the reality of what was revealed simply by the passage of time. Who cares if MT was deemed 'healthy' or that the discredited Dr thought the children were 'safe' with her? Those issues are specific to MT imo and have zero to do with the larger picture going forward. Also, I find it unlikely that Judge Heller would have approved any custody sharing absent the financial disclosure issues from FD being resolved and we know on the record that FD had just lied yet again on the record about his finances and so another long delay would happen until the court resolves this issue. IDK, just seems like FD blew up the Family Court case intentionally to create even more delay and this was no different from what he had been doing already for 2 years. Judge Heller was enraged but FD knew she probably wouldn't impose consequences and so the case would just grind on and on. I also don't think FD cared about MT to any degree and she was just an inconvenient sex partner by this point of the situation. I also don't think he was at all sorry to see her depart as she had nothing he needed which was money and alot of it imo.

Question is though, what story did FD spin to get MT to commit to being a ride or die co conspirator and ditto for KM?

The bigger issue imo was FD lying on the record about his finances and having his attorney dismissed for facilitating the false reporting being filed with the Court. The impact of all of this would have been months of delay, finding new attorney that he didn't have money to pay for and dealing with a no doubt infuriated MT who had previously been told that things would be settled by now. I do now think that when FD told MT that things would be settled that what he meant was that JF would be murdered. I also wonder whether Anna Curry was well inside the picture at this point and FD would be happy to see the back of MT leaving 4Jx as she was simply a thorn in the side of his plans? By then, FD knew he needed money and alot of it and that he wouldn't have anything quickly unless he had the children. I simply don't see MT fitting into the longer term picture for FD as she had no money, didn't have a viable business going to contribute to their lifestyle and also seemed to get in the way of FD future plans in many respects.

Pieces of the relationship puzzle seem to be missing imo. Its safe to assume that FD was lying to all parties including MT. But, from Colangelo we know MT was angry the day FD was in NC. But, what exactly was she angry about?

MOO
Rbbm

I don't think FD had to convince her at all. Other way around. FD wanted JFd's money. MT wanted JFd GONE.

FD (and IMO KM) developed a plan to achieve both.

Purposefully I think the men kept their plot to themselves, mutually beneficial for them, equally lethal for their estranged/ex wives.

Also purposefully kept the details FROM MT. The less she knew about how it went down, the fewer secrets she would have to keep. I think FD knew MT couldn't keep secrets.

I think the afternoon events were not as planned. FD did not plan for a bloody morning and I don't think he would have enlisted her help that afternoon except to wound up needing help because things went so differently than planned. Once again, I underestimated JFd's resolve. Fought him hard in order to write his name in her blood.

I think FD did elicit MT to make his phone look alive, KM wouldn't be able to pull that off as smoothly.

But really MT had the one job -- make it look like FD was at home doing FotisDu-ly things.

She failed.

Should have answered calls, if long to hang up and text back.

Honestly I don't think he was going to use her for more than that, would have shown back up at 4 JC in time for lunch. Would have had Greek salad and celebratory sex. It is done. And they'd never speak of it again, just wait for custody and money to roll in.

But FD messed up. Left a damning crime scene, then needed help.

That FD took MT along on the Odyssey to Trash Stupidity IMO shows that he knew she knew the how of it, something I think originally he expected to keep ger from knowing. He'd have disposed of his evidence solo he kept that now she knew. She was present at 80 MS when he removed the outer bags, removed the zip ties and clothing, resulting eventually in a considerable amount of evidence to discard and a prepared body to conceal.

As of about 1pm, IMO, MT was actively engaged in disappearing JFd. Charade blown.

And THAT is the truth MT is protecting at all cost. It's THAT bad, she knows it, and she's taking it to the grave.

JMO
 
Yes! MT seems rooted in her life as a teenager imo. Colangelo did say that there were some truthful statements by MT but they seemed to be few in number and possibly buried within her elaborate multihoured charade of interviews.

I dont think we as outsiders knew the true state of the FD/MT relationship around the time prior to the murder and then after the murder. The footage we saw of MT/FD in Starbucks imo spoke volumes as did the still shots of 4JS during the time of the LE raid when FD/MT were hauled off to Litchfield for processing.

If FD was running out of cash prior to the murder and the couple possibly living on MT child support to keep the lights on and food on the table, my guess is that the relationship was strained to the max. Colangelo talked about the angry FD texts when MT found out he was in NC. "I hope you die" message to FD from MT doesn't sound like a love note imo unless these two spoke a love language I don't understand! Does MT know when she sent these texts that FD had delayed the Family Court yet again and had lied yet again about his financials and that Judge Heller had dismissed his corrupt Atty Rose who helped prepare the false documents and was enraged about a 2 year case basically going back to day 1? My guess is that MT might have found out about what FD did and sure she was angry that he was in NC but what really frosted her cupcake was being with no cash and back to the beginning again in Family Court and with FD losing his attorney?

The "Murders Eve" dinner seemed to have been put on for a show and as part of a broader alibi charade and I really do wonder why MT left the dinner early? It seems like she would have detailed knowledge of the murder plan and timing and what her tasks were for the tragic event. Was she simply angry that FD had the dinner at the house when she had thought they were going out and that she was put in position of having to cook and clean and play host? Something was up but I'm not sure we know what exactly it was.

Even with all that was going on at the time in Family Court and FORE financially collapsing, MT continues to push her attorneys to fight hard to get the discredited report into the record by hook or crook. Why? We've debated this endlessly.

I can't see discredited report having any value to MT as Judge Heller removed it and sealed it for valid reasons. By that time (or even now for that matter) whatever was in the report most likely would be contradicted by the reality of what was revealed simply by the passage of time. Who cares if MT was deemed 'healthy' or that the discredited Dr thought the children were 'safe' with her? Those issues are specific to MT imo and have zero to do with the larger picture going forward. Also, I find it unlikely that Judge Heller would have approved any custody sharing absent the financial disclosure issues from FD being resolved and we know on the record that FD had just lied yet again on the record about his finances and so another long delay would happen until the court resolves this issue. IDK, just seems like FD blew up the Family Court case intentionally to create even more delay and this was no different from what he had been doing already for 2 years. Judge Heller was enraged but FD knew she probably wouldn't impose consequences and so the case would just grind on and on. I also don't think FD cared about MT to any degree and she was just an inconvenient sex partner by this point of the situation. I also don't think he was at all sorry to see her depart as she had nothing he needed which was money and alot of it imo.

Question is though, what story did FD spin to get MT to commit to being a ride or die co conspirator and ditto for KM?

The bigger issue imo was FD lying on the record about his finances and having his attorney dismissed for facilitating the false reporting being filed with the Court. The impact of all of this would have been months of delay, finding new attorney that he didn't have money to pay for and dealing with a no doubt infuriated MT who had previously been told that things would be settled by now. I do now think that when FD told MT that things would be settled that what he meant was that JF would be murdered. I also wonder whether Anna Curry was well inside the picture at this point and FD would be happy to see the back of MT leaving 4Jx as she was simply a thorn in the side of his plans? By then, FD knew he needed money and alot of it and that he wouldn't have anything quickly unless he had the children. I simply don't see MT fitting into the longer term picture for FD as she had no money, didn't have a viable business going to contribute to their lifestyle and also seemed to get in the way of FD future plans in many respects.

Pieces of the relationship puzzle seem to be missing imo. Its safe to assume that FD was lying to all parties including MT. But, from Colangelo we know MT was angry the day FD was in NC. But, what exactly was she angry about?

MOO
Seems to me that FD’s endless stalling means that he never intended to be divorced from Jennifer. Whether that means that he always planned to kill her, or just hold her up until she was at the end of her rope-in any event, he expected her to continue to pay the majority of the bills; the mortgage, the taxes, the insurance, and all of the childrens’ bills. I really do wonder if he was just trying to push her over the edge, and into actual suicide, but it wasn’t working-at least not fast enough for FD & Co. so they had to make it look like she’d committed suicide, or at least like she’d “run away”. I suppose that’s why the discredited psych report was so important-except, clearly, whatever seemed so important to FD and MT about that phony evaluation, we now must know was entirely untrue, since the purportedly “dangerous one” was the actual victim, and the “gregarious and self-confident” one, turned out to be the one who committed murder and then suicide. Logically, that psych report should now have no more meaning. Mt’s persistent clinging to this report proves to me that it was always the plan to use it to “prove” that Jennifer had harmed herself. And it proves that there was never another defense for MT-it also proves to me that she knew prior to Jennifer’s murder, that Dulos was going to kill her.
 
8 days til . . .

nformation is accurate as of September 07, 2024 05:14 AM
Defendant Information
Last, First: TROCONIS MICHELLERepresented By: 433115 FROST BUSSERT LLC
Birth Year: 1974Times on the Docket: 3
Docket Information
Docket No:FST -CR24-0253792-TArresting Agency:STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STAMFORD
Companion:
Program:Arrest Date:3/1/2024
Court:Stamford JDBond Amount:$100 (This case only)
Bond Type:Set
Miscellaneous:(Not Released From Custody)
Activity:Pre-TrialNext Court Date:
9/16/2024 9:00 AM
Current Charges
StatuteDescriptionClassTypeOccOffense DatePleaVerdict Finding
51-33aCRIMINAL CONTEMPT OF COURT
B​
Misdemeanor​
1​
2/15/2024Not Guilty
 
8 days til . . .

nformation is accurate as of September 07, 2024 05:14 AM
Defendant Information
Last, First: TROCONIS MICHELLERepresented By: 433115 FROST BUSSERT LLC
Birth Year: 1974Times on the Docket: 3
Docket Information
Docket No:FST -CR24-0253792-TArresting Agency:STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STAMFORD
Companion:
Program:Arrest Date:3/1/2024
Court:Stamford JDBond Amount:$100 (This case only)
Bond Type:Set
Miscellaneous:(Not Released From Custody)
Activity:Pre-TrialNext Court Date:
9/16/2024 9:00 AM
Current Charges
StatuteDescriptionClassTypeOccOffense DatePleaVerdict Finding
51-33aCRIMINAL CONTEMPT OF COURT
B​
Misdemeanor​
1​
2/15/2024Not Guilty
What do we think, realistically, will happen? I mean, what she did was egregious-will the judge treat it like it should be treated?
 

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