Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #25

[ncnative]

Thanks, Skittles. I remember that now, about the Hiller guy being a tennis buddy.

 

[Skittles]

WOW!!! :shocked2:
Did he say when the coercion attempts occurred? (ie, recently... or... ?)

It's in an affidavit I can't find online yet. They just put up that quote on the news, with no specifics as to when he was interviewed.

 

[ncnative]

Michael Hiller's affidavit is listed on Legal Documents thread, posted by Carolina Lady, post #11 on the first page. It's about half way down the list.

Wonder why there is no affidavit from Mike Hiller's wife? She was friends with Nancy too. Mike Hiller mentioned that BC's family and Hiller's were camping together at Jordan Lake about 3 yrs. ago. Another person's affidavit (I forgot whose) mentions that Nancy and Brad were at the Hiller's three or four weeks prior to NC's death. Sorry I'm not putting links. I have a headache, really.

 

[Skittles]

Michael Hiller's affidavit is listed on Legal Documents thread, posted by Carolina Lady, post #11 on the first page. It's about half way down the list.

I believe the quotation came from a new affidavit by MH.

 

[jumpstreet]

Michael Hiller's affidavit is listed on Legal Documents thread, posted by Carolina Lady, post #11 on the first page. It's about half way down the list.

Wonder why there is no affidavit from Mike Hiller's wife? She was friends with Nancy too. Mike Hiller mentioned that BC's family and Hiller's were camping together at Jordan Lake about 3 yrs. ago. Another person's affidavit (I forgot whose) mentions that Nancy and Brad were at the Hiller's three or four weeks prior to NC's death. Sorry I'm not putting links. I have a headache, really.

Thanks. I'm still wondering if MH has submitted an addendum or something (nowhere in that original affidavit does he mention (that I saw) that he was a tennis partner of BC, much less the same partner that BC was scheduled to play with on the Saturday AM). Definitely also doesn't say anything about treatment he received from CPD. [ Envisioning this guy in the old dark cross-examination room with the light shining bright, and the good-cop, bad copy taking "turns" at him. ]

 

[carolinalady]

Thanks. I'm still wondering if MH has submitted an addendum or something (nowhere in that original affidavit does he mention (that I saw) that he was a tennis partner of BC, much less the same partner that BC was scheduled to play with on the Saturday AM). Definitely also doesn't say anything about treatment he received from CPD. [ Envisioning this guy in the old dark cross-examination room with the light shining bright, and the good-cop, bad copy taking "turns" at him. ]

Here are the new affidavits: http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/20080930155921.pdf

 

[jumpstreet]

Here are the new affidavits: http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/20080930155921.pdf

Thanks! I hadn't read through that file yet - thinking it was just the statements of LE related to when they picked up the kids.

However, the last file there is the updated from MH. Man, that one is an interesting read to say the least! :shocked2:

It could be interpreted as implicating JA to some extent even...

 

[carolinalady]

Thanks! I hadn't read through that file yet - thinking it was just the statements of LE related to when they picked up the kids.

However, the last file there is the updated from MH. Man, that one is an interesting read to say the least! :shocked2:

I agree, it was definitely an interesting read! I guess others at the BBQ can verify that MH was there and that he did interact w/ Nancy.

 

[raisincharlie]

I agree, it was definitely an interesting read! I guess others at the BBQ can verify that MH was there and that he did interact w/ Nancy.

Thanks for the link. Seems to me, that according to Mike Hiller - the 6:40 am call to Brad definitely came from Nancy's cell phone and not the landline. Since there is only one tower covering that area, quess we don't really know who used Nancy's cell to call, but apparently LE does not think it was Nancy. Hmmmmm, interesting.

 

[jumpstreet]

Thanks for the link. Seems to me, that according to Mike Hiller - the 6:40 am call to Brad definitely came from Nancy's cell phone and not the landline. Since there is only one tower covering that area, quess we don't really know who used Nancy's cell to call, but apparently LE does not think it was Nancy. Hmmmmm, interesting.

Indeed. He states "about 4 weeks ago", that LE was trying to coerce him into testifying that he helped BC use NC's cell phone to set up an alibi (presumably the 6:40 am call). This (if true) it's a very solid glimse into the (fairly recent) state of the investigation, as of just a few weeks ago... fascinating.

Sounds like they weren't able to get him to 'crack' either.

 

[carolinalady]

Thanks for the link. Seems to me, that according to Mike Hiller - the 6:40 am call to Brad definitely came from Nancy's cell phone and not the landline. Since there is only one tower covering that area, quess we don't really know who used Nancy's cell to call, but apparently LE does not think it was Nancy. Hmmmmm, interesting.

I know I've seen somewhere that they can pinpoint cell location to within a few hundred yards based on signal strength to the cell towers. So, shouldn't they be able to tell whether that phone call was made from the home (via cell phone) or if the two cell phones were very close together (BC calling himself from NC's phone).

 

[raisincharlie]

Indeed. He states "about 4 weeks ago", that LE was trying to coerce him into testifying that he helped BC use NC's cell phone to set up an alibi (presumably the 6:40 am call). This (if true) it's a very solid glimse into the (fairly recent) state of the investigation, as of just a few weeks ago... fascinating.

Sounds like they weren't able to get him to 'crack' either.

As of 4 weeks ago, they still had not cleared Brad but apparently LE knows the call came from the cell and not the landline. Now who would have had access to Nancy's cell other than Nancy ? It also seems that Brad told LE that Saturday that he planned to play tennis even though this was not in the sw affidavit. Interesting aye ?


I suspect he didn't crack because he didn't use Nancy's phone to make any calls. However I wonder why they would focus on him - surely his wife can say he was at home at that time, maybe ?

 

[raisincharlie]

I know I've seen somewhere that they can pinpoint cell location to within a few hundred yards based on signal strength to the cell towers. So, shouldn't they be able to tell whether that phone call was made from the home (via cell phone) or if the two cell phones were very close together (BC calling himself from NC's phone).

Might be exactly why LE does not believe Nancy made the call.

 

[SleuthyGal]

From Hiller's affidavit:

Some things I noticed and/or have questions about:

item #4: So the last time they attempted to play tennis in May, did Brad just not call and instead show up 45 min late? Or in May did he call and tell Mike Hiller he was running late because Nancy was not back yet? (Phone records for that day in May should help answer this).

item #5 & 6. So Hiller has just established that Nancy was expecting her husband to play tennis on Sat morning. She agreed to the plan. She wasn't 'late' coming home; she was already dead (IMHO) . (Hiller of course does not allow that as a possibility.)

item #7: So Brad is not even late yet but at 9:15am he proactively calls Hiller to tell him that Nancy is not back yet from her run (doesn't appear he was so proactive in May when he showed up 45 min late to the courts). How long would it take Mike Hiller to drive to the Cooper house? And then, how far were these tennis courts from the Cooper house? Sounds like the courts were located right in the community. So not only does Brad initiate a call around 9:15am, but there are 3 more phone calls after that, within a 45 min period of time.

And supposedly this would be the SECOND time that Nancy was 'late coming home' which is impacting Brad's ability to play tennis with Mike Hiller, and Hiller says that Brad is totally okay with it?

And once again Brad uses the "she must have gone for coffee" excuse except that he knows Nancy doesn't have any money with her. No wallet, no cell phone, no keys.

And then I must ask why Brad never told LE that he had tennis plans that day? Or if he did, why is that information not in the CPD affidavit? It should be there. It was a significant event in the timeline of that morning. Four phone calls worth.

 

[raisincharlie]

I kinda like the subtle hint that there was something going on between Nancy and Brett Adam and that Jessica wasn't happy about it. Slick.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Thanks for the link. Seems to me, that according to Mike Hiller - the 6:40 am call to Brad definitely came from Nancy's cell phone and not the landline. Since there is only one tower covering that area, quess we don't really know who used Nancy's cell to call, but apparently LE does not think it was Nancy. Hmmmmm, interesting.

Didn't Brad say that Nancy called him from home? I need to find the exact language on this but did he say home or home phone?

 

[jumpstreet]

I kinda like the subtle hint that there was something going on between Nancy and Brett Adam and that Jessica wasn't happy about it. Slick.

It wasn't subtle to me RC. [ It's why I said Hiller's update all but implicates JA... ]

 

[SleuthyGal]

Implicates her for what though?

Brad said Nancy was out running. Jessica was at home expecting Nancy to show up at 8am to help paint and was calling Brad by 9:30am to say she was worried.

The most that Hiller is implicating is that JA thought that her husband had texted Nancy. It wasn't established if that was Brett Adam who texted Nancy (or even if Nancy did receive a text from anyone, let alone a 'Brett').

 

[jumpstreet]

From Hiller's affidavit:
item #7: So Brad is not even late yet but at 9:15am he proactively calls Hiller to tell him that Nancy is not back yet from her run (doesn't appear he was so proactive in May when he showed up 45 min late to the courts).

I took it the plan (this time) was for Hiller to come pick Brad up. BC probably wanted to catch him before he left his house... [ perhaps in May the plan was for them to meet at the courts... ] So, to me the 9:15 call isn't necessarily out of the ordinary.

And supposedly this would be the SECOND time that Nancy was 'late coming home' which is impacting Brad's ability to play tennis with Mike Hiller, and Hiller says that Brad is totally okay with it?

Sure paints a different picture of BC (a more laid-back one) than picture of him that gets painted from reading the plaintiff's affidavits.

And once again Brad uses the "she must have gone for coffee" excuse except that he knows Nancy doesn't have any money with her. No wallet, no cell phone, no keys.

Well, maybe he assumed someone would front her money, or maybe he didn't notice the wallet laying there. To me, it's not all the crazy for him (when she's only a little late) to not necessarily assume something bad has happened to her.

And then I must ask why Brad never told LE that he had tennis plans that day? Or if he did, why is that information not in the CPD affidavit?

It's a good point, and I think RC noticed it too. From the questioning that MH received, it implies CPD would have known about the tennis plans... yet it isn't mentioned in the subsequent SW. The SW relayed BC's timeline though primarily - maybe BC didn't mention it (initially), so they didn't put it in the SW timeline?

 

[jumpstreet]

Implicates her for what though?

Brad said Nancy was out running. Jessica was at home expecting Nancy to show up at 8am to help paint and was calling Brad by 9:30am to say she was worried.

The most that Hiller is implicating is that JA thought that her husband had texted Nancy. It wasn't established if that was Brett Adam who texted Nancy (or even if Nancy did receive a text from anyone, let alone a 'Brett').

Yeah, agreed. When I "read between the lines", it seems there was a subtle (or not so much) theme, that... JA had motive (jealousy), and that JA was manipulating others (after the fact) to gang up on BC. That was my take on some of the "between the lines" implications there.

[ Not saying any of it is FACT of course... just saying, that's what I was gleaning he was "getting at" ]

Maybe his point is nothing in all of it... to me, it was implicating she could have been involved.