GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #8

[Be true]

Great post Dale,

I think the defence did a good job also, better than the prosecution at any rate.

In my head it would be hard to say that TM and MM were not acting in self defense "beyond reasonable doubt".

As you say you have a husband who was drinking - <modsnip> and who "gets angry for no reason". In addition to this you have the blonde hair in Jasons hand. These elements create doubts. In my mind anyway.

Prosecution today presented, discussed and summed up their evidence, and with great clarity imo

Defence talked about a Hoover, a hair and fingernails because thry have nothing else. It can go either way G or NG but prosecution today won hands down imo, and the bigger picture is here mm defence didn't seem to have.....a defence.

Jmo

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[stephanddoody]

It's because it is included in the 2nd degree murder charge

 

[stephanddoody]

Pictures were shown of a burglar alarm in court pictures were shown of at least 3 phones in the basement . Tom has a mobile calling someone as EMT arrives
Jasons on the locker Yet no 911 call . The defence have provided a good tale that's all when evidence presented to the jury is reviewed they will see that's exactly what it is a tale . Da told a story of overkill and provided evidence to back that up .

 

[Logic-lady]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...pr-on-jason-corbett-trial-hears-36009491.html

From what we discussed last night regarding the onus on the state to show the jury that even defendants claiming self defense have a duty to retreat one the aggressor has been subdued, I think they did a pretty good job. Clear, concise, and they even got a few extra motives thrown in there for good measure.

I'm not sure stating 'it was self defense' will be enough in this instance. The finger nail scrapings were explained by the pathologist, if internal injuries can be caused by being in a choke-hold, why not bring an expert to testify as such...give the jury something more than an A4 print out from WebMD...it seems like a lax defense. IMO

 

[stephanddoody]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...pr-on-jason-corbett-trial-hears-36009491.html

From what we discussed last night regarding the onus on the state to show the jury that even defendants claiming self defense have a duty to retreat one the aggressor has been subdued, I think they did a pretty good job. Clear, concise, and they even got a few extra motives thrown in there for good measure.

I'm not sure stating 'it was self defense' will be enough in this instance. The finger nail scrapings were explained by the pathologist, if internal injuries can be caused by being in a choke-hold, why not bring an expert to testify as such...give the jury something more than an A4 print out from WebMD...it seems like a lax defense. IMO

Totally agree they are going with we are telling you but we have nothing to back it up . Personally I do feel they are insulting the jurors intelligence on a regular basis

 

[Be true]

I've thought several times in 2 years that if mm skull we as forced into her head by JC her nose broken, her left naked in her bedroom and he and his father doing so with a bat and paver and claiming self defense, he would be torn to shreds cast out, it would be a crime that would be inexcusable. If he took a biological mother from 2 children leaving them orphans their would be outrage - I mean just imagine it in your mind.

If he claimed it was self defence we would have people beating drums claiming he a liar, and if there was not a shred of evidence to back up self defence he would be subjected to hate and mockery imo

JC trial in the end will highlight important issues for men that are faced in their home in silence. And hopefully stop the prejudice that surrounds abuse of males by their spouse. Imo it is this biast view of abuse that sees peoplè stay with their spousenor partner even when their are red flags, for fear of being made to feel irrelevant.

Just my opinion



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[A350]

The Martens are entitled to be tried in a court of law and to then either walk free or to serve their sentence. Regardless of the outcome here I see no winners - Not JC, not his children, not his family, not any of the Martens. All involved have have paid a huge price. Some will pay more.

<modsnip>

 

[stephanddoody]

I've thought several times in 2 years that if mm skull we as forced into her head by JC her nose broken, her left naked in her bedroom and he and his father doing so with a bat and paver and claiming self defense, he would be torn to shreds cast out, it would be a crime that would be inexcusable. If he took a biological mother from 2 children leaving them orphans their would be outrage - I mean just imagine it in your mind.

If he claimed it was self defence we would have people beating drums claiming he a liar, and if there was not a shred of evidence to back up self defence he would be subjected to hate and mockery imo

JC trial in the end will highlight important issues for men that are faced in their home in silence. And hopefully stop the prejudice that surrounds abuse of males by their spouse. Imo it is this biast view of abuse that sees peoplè stay with their spousenor partner even when their are red flags, for fear of being made to feel irrelevant.

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All murderers have supporters that's just the way of life unfortunately. Casey Anthony has them , Jodi Arais has them I even seen someone say the 15 year girl wanted to go with Tad Cummins . People support murderers and rapists . I don't understand it myself TBH but it is a fact that even the most evil of people attract supporters

 

[Be true]

The Martens are entitled to be tried in a court of law and to then either walk free or to serve their sentence. Regardless of the outcome here I see no winners - Not JC, not his children, not his family, not any of the Martens. All involved have have paid a huge price. Some will pay more.

They were just tried in a court of law. Their attorneys are in the middle of closing statements. The prosecution driven home their case today. MM attorney was dull and lacking any evidence to discuss as her brother's didn't testify either did she. TM closing in morning, probably more of the same. Then deliberation, Then verdict.

Jmo

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[searchinGirl]

Totally agree they are going with we are telling you but we have nothing to back it up . Personally I do feel they are insulting the jurors intelligence on a regular basis

With all due respect, I wouldn't make any assumptions about the people of North Carolina and what may offend them. There is rich history there. IMO. It could go either way.

 

[Frizby]

It&#8217;s not my understanding, the will can be processed in any country even a non-domiciliary country. All that&#8217;s required is its valid and can be executed in any other country where it&#8217;s not valid from the valid country. All the other country must do is process the will as valid under their testate rules. Obviously tax implications are for the country themselves to enforce and domiciliary factors may well kick in as well in taxation.

I believe you are correct on that. A problem sometimes arises where property is held in two jurisdictions and the laws in one invalidates the will in another. Under Irish Law, JC will would have been valid in Ireland if he lived here even though he subsequently married but only if he stipulated in the will that it being made knowing that he was due to be married otherwise the new marriage would have made it invalid. It is the one exception to the rule.

Domicile is a big issue for taxation purposes and it is one of the hardest things to relinquish. Some counties make it very hard to give it up, one that comes to mind is The Netherlands. But take for example Richard Burton, his lived the majority of his life in the USA, in his eyes he had relinquished his domicility and for all intensive purposes he had however the UK government made a claim on his estate as they deemed he always intended to return based on him purchasing a plot to be buried in in Wales and had the Welsh flag draped over his coffin. Taxation in many countries is based on the person receiving the asset, however for example, the taxation on death in the UK is an estate tax and is based on the deceased, I believe it is the same is some other jurisdictions.

 

[Logic-lady]

I've thought several times in 2 years that if mm skull we as forced into her head by JC her nose broken, her left naked in her bedroom and he and his father doing so with a bat and paver and claiming self defense, he would be torn to shreds cast out, it would be a crime that would be inexcusable. If he took a biological mother from 2 children leaving them orphans their would be outrage - I mean just imagine it in your mind.

If he claimed it was self defence we would have people beating drums claiming he a liar, and if there was not a shred of evidence to back up self defence he would be subjected to hate and mockery imo

JC trial in the end will highlight important issues for men that are faced in their home in silence. And hopefully stop the prejudice that surrounds abuse of males by their spouse. Imo it is this biast view of abuse that sees peoplè stay with their spousenor partner even when their are red flags, for fear of being made to feel irrelevant.

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Well said Be True...if I've seen anything by following this trial it has been the absolute disregard for men which appears to have become so prevalent in our society. So many people assumed because he was a man he had to be angry, physically intimidating and sexually dominant, it is so sad people can't see beyond the archaic 'norms'.

I hope JC's legacy brings DV against men out of the shadows and helps men who are suffering know there is support for them too if they need it.

 

[Be true]

All murderers have supporters that's just the way of life unfortunately. Casey Anthony has them , Jodi Arais has them I even seen someone say the 15 year girl wanted to go with Tad Cummins . People support murderers and rapist . I don't understand it myself TBH but it is a fact that even the most evil of people attract supporters

I find it a bridge too far to comprehend. I will never understand the psychology behind it but thank God everyday I have a sense of right and wrong. And that sense hasn't been polluted by past experiences. Which is truly how you know your doing something right.

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[stephanddoody]

With all due respect, I wouldn't make any assumptions about the people of North Carolina and what may offend them. There is rich history there. IMO. It could go either way.

I am not looking for an argument but a rich history of what? It's a beautiful place with lovely people but these people are normal everyday people who have minds of their own and don't need to be spoon fed what they should believe or not believe . They will base their verdict on the evidence provided to them

 

[robinhood]

Great post Dale,I think the defence did a good job also, better than the prosecution at any rate.

In my head it would be hard to say that TM and MM were not acting in self defense "beyond reasonable doubt".

As you say you have a husband who was drinking - <modsnip> and who "gets angry for no reason". In addition to this you have the blonde hair in Jasons hand. These elements create doubts. In my mind anyway.

Is your head on steady shoulders??? Read that back to yourself . do you think reasonable doubt will be considered by the jury??? These are ordinary people who don't give a damn about points of law. they see a man brutally killed with no sign of any struggle. they see a trained specialist TM. a former FBI agent who gave a statement that does not match the evidence. A man who spent years paying attention to detail. A man who was paid to see danger ahead and deal with it accordingly. if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...................

 

[Frizby]

Prosecution today presented, discussed and summed up their evidence, and with great clarity imo

Defence talked about a Hoover, a hair and fingernails because thry have nothing else. It can go either way G or NG but prosecution today won hands down imo, and the bigger picture is here mm defence didn't seem to have.....a defence.

Jmo

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LOL, you can always tell an Irish person when they refer to a vacuum cleaner as a "Hoover". It is always a hoover to me too, used to create some strange looks and laughter when I lived in the UK, in fact I don't think I have ever had a Hoover in my life.

 

[Be true]

Right off to bed before I get a timeout [emoji2]

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[Be true]

LOL, you can always tell an Irish person when they refer to a vacuum cleaner as a "Hoover". It is always a hoover to me too, used to create some strange looks and laughter when I lived in the UK, in fact I don't think I have ever had a Hoover in my life.

True frizby, but dont tell defence they may use the word "hoover" to confuse jurors[emoji23]

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[robinhood]

The Martens are entitled to be tried in a court of law and to then either walk free or to serve their sentence. Regardless of the outcome here I see no winners - Not JC, not his children, not his family, not any of the Martens. All involved have have paid a huge price. Some will pay more.

<modsnip>

They are getting what they are entitled to. nothing more nothing less. The irony is that the justice system will decide for the former badge holder and his DAUGHTER who dispensed their own justice on a helpless man. Factual evidence proves this. Statements from the killers do not stand up, there is NO evidence to support the KILLERS. If there is no evidence to support the KILLERS then what conclusion can be drawn? Soundbites from the KILLERS are not evidence. IMO...... I wonder did they take pride in their work???? was it satisfying??? did they share a moment??? Please God , the American public will not have to endure these KILLERS on the streets. No one will be safe . they have had a taste of the nasty and evilness. TM on the stand glorified in the brutality. He held everyones attention. The Ego was there for all to see. Mr untouchable. MM watched Daddy strut his stuff. Her hero. she never had a man that measured up...........if only.................

 

[kittythehare]

Holton is MM lawyer.
Did he refer to her once today?
Did he represent or uphold her character in any way?
Did he present any rationale for the slaughter of JC?
No character witnesses?
No background?
Why was he even there and allowed to speak?
2 defenses and just 1 defendant?