NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

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Tawny said:
It absolutely is. They are PEACE officers. Civilians can be out of control and unruly, and if they only tactic is to shoot to kill, then every drunk a-hole outside a bar is in for a load of trouble.
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Scott wasn't following commands to drop the deadly weapon that could kill or harm LE officers and innocent bystanders. LE did the right thing. That's my opinion. Time to agree to disagree.
 
Tawny said:
BBM How is it emasculated to have an outside agency available to keep everything above board?

What's funny is that what you said is a HUGE part of the police brutality problem.
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Telling.
 
Did Chief Putney say what time the police videos will be released?
 
Tawny said:
Yep, I'm pretty serious. Please, do enlighten me on the techniques they used to try to keep from having to kill this man who may or may not have mental disabilities? Even if he doesn't, did they do ANYTHING before resorting to deadly force?
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This man, an ex con, smoking dope, while armed, in a parking lot, waiting for a school bus, made his OWN CHOICES. I am not going to blame the cops for the stupid and irrational choices that led to this man's death.
 
katydid23 said:
oh, lookie, a list of 'demands' from the Charlotte protesters. I am sure they are very realistic and objective....

http://www.charlotteuprising.com/petition


Sign this petition and tell the Department of Justice, Charlotte City Council, Governor Pat McCrory and CMPD police Chief Kerr Putney, and all other police departments and all levels of government that we will not stay on the sidelines as the assault on Black lives continues.

WE DEMAND:
THE IMMEDIATE END TO THE STATE OF EMERGENCY, CURFEW & THE REMOVAL OF THE NATIONAL GUARD

THE IMMEDIATE DEMILITARIZATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE IMMEDIATE RETURN OF ALL MILITARY EQUIPMENT

THE DE-FUNDING OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT (2017 Budget: $246,644,617) AND THE REDIRECTION OF THOSE RESOURCES TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITIES (INCLUDING RESOURCES FOR JOBS PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE QUALITY HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, HOLISTIC HEALTH AND QUALITY SCHOOLS)

AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT AND AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CHARLOTTE MECKLENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND A FREEZE ON THE NEARLY 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS AWARDED IN FEDERAL GRANTS ANNUALLY TO THE DEPARTMENT

A RELEASE OF THE POLICE REPORT AND BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE CONNECTED WITH THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT & ALL OTHER KILLINGS TO THE PUBLIC AND IMMEDIATELY REPEAL OF HB 972, WHICH RESTRICTS THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS POLICE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE

THE IMMEDIATE AND UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE OF ALL THOSE ARRESTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE UPRISING RESULTING FROM THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT & THE DROPPING OF ALL CHARGES

THE RELEASE OF ALL THE NAMES OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING OF KEITH L. SCOTT TO THE PUBLIC FOLLOWED BY THEIR FIRING, ARREST AND PROSECUTION

REPARATIONS FOR THE FAMILY OF KEITH L. SCOTT AND ALL VICTIMS OF POLICE VIOLENCE AS WELL AS THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED

COMMUNITY CONTROL OF THE POLICE, STARTING WITH THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT HAS THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE OFFICERS, DETERMINE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS AS WELL AS DICTATE POLICE POLICIES, PRIORITIES, AND BUDGETS.

THE BOARD SHALL NOT INCLUDE POLICE REPRESENTATION AND WILL BE CONTROLLED BY COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY POLICING AND INCARCERATION IN CHARLOTTE.​
AN END TO THE REPRESSION & TARGETING OF PROTESTORS AND ALL THOSE ENGAGED IN THE CHARLOTTE UPRISING
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How is ******ing going to help? These demands are ridiculous.

They want the CMPD to release people who were looting and setting property on fire?

Dogface said:
I don't know how anyone could make the assumption that this officer killed someone because he could get away it...smh...that's a really an unfair opinion based on knowing very little.
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A very UNFAIR opinion.

Dogface said:
Honestly, just once I would LOVE for a city to give in to those demands so we could just see what would happen with that little social experiment of a civilian ran police force.
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I can't imagine what sort of twilight zone those people would have to live in.

katydid23 said:
Sitting in his truck, getting high, while armed with a gun, is not what a father should do, while waiting for his son's school bus.

He was not shot for no reason. He was shot because he would not drop his weapon. A cop does not have to put themselves in a deadly, dangerous position in order to allow a threat to their own lives, just because someone they are trying to detain does not want to put down their own weapon.
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This. He was asked NUMEROUS times based on the wife's video. By her and LE. I guess she was out to get him too.

Dogface said:
And how can you end funding for a police department, but then have a civilian oversight board for the police department?
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As if less funding is going to solve anything in a city the size of Charlotte.

katydid23 said:
You 'fund' the civilian review board, and allow them to make the budget for the emasculated police force. They want the cops to have to go to BLM to get their pay...And you 'fund' the victims families while you are at it.
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So take the money that is needed for resources for LE and give it to civilians? And then create a board of civilians who may or may not have an LE experience and let them not only control personnel, but policies and procedures on how to police? And the civilians on this board can only be from certain communities?

Tawny said:
I hope they do get a payout. There are so many ways to deescalate without deadly force and it appears from what I can tell they used none before opening fire.
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How many times do you feel that LE should ask someone to drop a deadly weapon? He was asked over and over and refused to comply?

Tawny said:
It absolutely is. They are PEACE officers. Civilians can be out of control and unruly, and if they only tactic is to shoot to kill, then every drunk a-hole outside a bar is in for a load of trouble.
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Every drunk ******* outside of a bar isn't toting a deadly weapon and not every drunk ******* outside of a bar refuses to comply with demands of LE.

RANCH said:
Scott wasn't following commands to drop the deadly weapon that could kill or harm LE officers and innocent bystanders. LE did the right thing. That's my opinion. Time to agree to disagree.
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Precisely.
 
Tawny said:
Who said the people protesting would be the over sight panel?
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The protesters are a major portion of the BLM movement. The protesters would be part of the group that the oversight panel would consist of.
 
Tawny said:
Then you clearly don't know much about negotiating for what you want. If you want a raise, you negotiate for higher than you really want, and "settle" for something in the middle. Get it?
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I don't ask for the boss to turn over his office, the keys to the safe, and corporate control to score a 2% raise in pay. (And who gets even that anymore?)

And all the comments stating "I'm sure that s/he said/meant X" or "To the best of my knowledge Y" are just deflecting from the simple truth that nobody knows these people, no one speaking here was present, and arguments are being made in keeping with pre-existing bias and opinion.

Critical thinking skills? No longer a "thing" IMO. Along with respect, discussion, debate. You just need an iPhone and a big mouth. JMO


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Tawny said:
Then you clearly don't know much about negotiating for what you want. If you want a raise, you negotiate for higher than you really want, and "settle" for something in the middle. Get it?
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No need to be so rude.
 
silverkitty said:
I don't ask for the boss to turn over his office, the keys to the safe, and corporate control to score a 2% raise in pay. (And who gets even that anymore?)

And all the comments stating "I'm sure s/he said/meant X" or "To the best of my knowledge Y" are just deflecting from the simple truth that nobody knows these people, no one speaking here was present, and arguments are being made in keeping with pre-existing bias and opinion.

Critical thinking skills? No longer a "thing" IMO. Along with respect, discussion, debate. You just need an iPhone and a big mouth. ZJMO

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Wow.

I'm an Android girl myself LOL
 
katydid23 said:
The protesters are a major portion of the BLM movement. The protesters would be part of the group that the oversight panel would consist of.
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"Will be controlled by communities most impacted by policing and incarceration in Charlotte"

So people who don't live in these communities "most impacted" are just SOL and have no representation on this board? Sounds a lot like "no taxation without representation" to me.



 
Tawny said:
Link?
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Link what? They did not specify. But let me ask you---do you think it is even a possibility that they will place anyone on that panel who did NOT take part in the protests?

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"Will be controlled by communities most impacted by policing and incarceration in Charlotte"


So the panel will be made up of people who live in the high risk areas of Charlotte. And I think that describes many if not most of the protesters.
 
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